PA TANKS comparison with contempory tanks

[maverick1977]

SO bottom line is that Pakistan needs to improve the ammunition is used on its tank to penetrate the new generation of Indian T90 tanks?

Is there any work being done to make that improvment. if Pakistan gets most modern ammunication can they fire it from AK1s and T80UDS ?

 

[TaimiKhan]

SO bottom line is that Pakistan needs to improve the ammunition is used on its tank to penetrate the new generation of Indian T90 tanks?

Is there any work being done to make that improvment. if Pakistan gets most modern ammunication can they fire it from AK1s and T80UDS ?

Well it seems the AK-1 recently shown and made has new type of auto loader, which can hold the long rod ammunition, thus giving the fird rounds more velocity and penetration power, which the older russian designed auto loader could not support.

So if this is true and the new auto loader is put into action, it would enable it to engage targets with good armor protection also, just like what the western ammo can do.

 

[SBD-3]

so which one u think is bettter

nop I would give both a fair tie

 

[Super Falcon]

AK 2 would be far more better than Abram,leopard and T 90 tank for sure because pakistan wants their military muscle have edge over any indian tank pakisan army wanna built invencible force of tanks into its muscle good thinking but against attack heli they also should have good defence too

 

[Zarbe Momin]

Abraham, Leopard are very good tanks, we should be optimistic that AK 2 could be compareable to these two but better than Abraham and Leopard is questionable !!!!!

 

[maverick1977]

taimikhan, i guess AK2 is under production, meanwhile we need to come up with new ammo for our existing tanks to make them faster than 1800m/sec and using cutting edge metallurgical and material technology to design a penetrator to get deep into tanks even if the are equiped with ERA. i guess get 2 different charges, one exploding the ERA and the other one still maintaing the speed above 1800m/sec to give it enough kinetic energy to penetrate the tanks....


any details on what 125mm tank Ammo PA uses and their specfications... ??

 

[Dark Angel]

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[Dark Angel]

"i am sure your intel debriefs were as good as the ones which justified the invasion of Iraq again on March 20 2003 on the indisputable facts of WMDs"

Actually, you idiot, they were far better. Our sensors had ZERO problems identifying units moving into or out of theatre. Zilch.


Thanks.

During the Battle of Phase Line Bullet, American M1 Abrams tanks in the rear fired in support of American troops facing dug-in Iraqi troops. American Infantry Fighting Vehicles were hit by fire from the tanks, resulting in two casualties

 

[Arsalan]

taimikhan, i guess AK2 is under production, meanwhile we need to come up with new ammo for our existing tanks to make them faster than 1800m/sec and using cutting edge metallurgical and material technology to design a penetrator to get deep into tanks even if the are equiped with ERA. i guess get 2 different charges, one exploding the ERA and the other one still maintaing the speed above 1800m/sec to give it enough kinetic energy to penetrate the tanks....


any details on what 125mm tank Ammo PA uses and their specfications... ??

sorry to say,
but,
NO!

 

[Manticore]

Leopard 2
Rank : 1
Country of Origin : Germany
Designer : Krauss-Maffei
Manufacturer : Krauss-Maffei Wegmann, Maschinenbau Kiel

Specifications :
Weight : 62.3 tonnes
Length : 9.97 m (393 in) (gun forward)
Width : 3.75 m (148 in)
Height : 3.0 m (120 in)
Crew : 4
Armour : 3rd Generation composite; including high-hardness steel, tungsten and plastic filler with ceramic component.
Primary armament : 1 x 120 mm Rheinmetall, L55 smoothbore gun,42 rounds
Secondary armament : 2 x 7.62 mm MG3A1 ,4,750 rounds
Engine : MTU MB 873 Ka-501 liquid-cooled V-12 Twin-turbo diesel engine 1,500 PS (1,479 hp, 1,103 kW) at 2600 rpm
Power/weight : 24.1 PS/t (17.7 kW/t)
Transmission : Renk HSWL 354
Suspension: Torsion-bar suspension
Fuel capacity : 1,200 liters
Operational range : 550 km (340 mi) (internal fuel)
Speed : 72 km/h (45 mph)
Unit cost : US$4,508,353



M1 Abrams
Rank : 2
Country of Origin : US
Designer : Chrysler Defense, General Motors
Manufacturer : General Dynamics, US

Specifications :
Weight : 67.6 short tons (61.3 t; 60.4 long tons)
Length :Gun forward: 32.04 ft (9.77 m)
Width : 12 ft (3.66 m)
Height : 8 ft (2.44 m)
Crew : 4
Armour : Chobham, RH armor, steel encased depleted uranium mesh plating
Primary armament : 105 mm M68 rifled cannon (M1), 120 mm M256 smoothbore cannon (M1A1, M1A2, M1A2SEP))
Secondary armament : 1 x .50-caliber (12.7 mm) M2HB heavy machine gun 2 x 7.62 mm (.308) M240 machine guns
Engine : Honeywell AGT1500C multi-fuel turbine engine 1,500 shp (1,120 kW)
Power/weight : 24.5 hp/metric ton
Transmission : Allison DDA X-1100-3B
Suspension: Torsion bar
Fuel capacity : 500 US gallons (1,900 l; 420 imp gal)
Operational range : 289 mi (465.29 km)
Speed : Road: 42 mph (67.7 km/h), Off-road: 30 mph (48.3 km/h)
Unit cost : US$6.21 million (M1A2 / FY99)



Challenger 2
Rank : 3
Country of Origin : UK
Designer : BAE Systems Land and Armaments
Manufacturer : BAE Systems Land and Armaments

Specifications :
Weight : 62.5 tonnes (61.5 LT; 68.9 ST)
Length : 8.3 m (27 ft 3 in), 11.50 m (37 ft 9 in) with gun forward
Width : 3.5 m (11 ft 6 in)
Height : 2.5 m (8 ft 2 in)
Crew : 4
Armour : Chobham/Dorchester Level 2 (classified)
Primary armament : L30A1 120 mm rifled gun with 52 rounds
Secondary armament : Coaxial 7.62 mm L94A1 EX-34 (chain gun), 7.62 mm L37A2 Commander's cupola machine gun
Engine : Perkins CV-12 Diesel 1,200 hp (890 kW)
Power/weight : 19.2 hp/t (14.2 kW/t)
Transmission : David Brown TN54 epicyclic transmission (6 fwd, 2 rev.)
Suspension: Hydropneumatic
Operational range : 450 km (280 mi)
Speed : 59 km/h (37 mph), 40 km/h (25 mph) off road
Unit cost : US$7,921,000

 

[Manticore]

Merkava Mark IV
Rank : 4
Country of Origin : Israel
Designer : Israel Military Industries
Manufacturer : IDF Ordnance

Specifications :
Weight : 65 tonnes
Length : 9.04 m (29.66 ft): rear to muzzle, 7.60 m (24.93 ft): without gun
Width : 3.72 m (12.2 ft)—without skirts
Height : 2.66 m (8.73 ft)—turret roof
Crew : 4
Armour : Classified composite matrix of laminated ceramic-steel-nickel alloy. Sloped modular design.
Primary armament : 120 mm (4.7 in) MG253 smoothbore gun, capable of firing LAHAT ATGM
Secondary armament : 1 × 12.7 mm (0.5 in) MG, 2 × 7.62 mm (0.3 in) MG,1 × 60 mm (2.4 in) internal mortar
Engine : 1,500 hp (1,119 kW) turbocharged diesel engine
Power/weight : 23 hp/ton
Transmission : Renk RK 325
Suspension: Helical spring
Fuel capacity : 1400 litres
Operational range : 500 km (311 mi)
Speed : 64 km/h (40 mph) on road, 55 km/h (34 mph) off road
Unit cost : US $5 million


K2 Black Panther
Rank : 5
Country of Origin : South Korea
Designer : Doosan group, Hyundai Rotem, Samsung Thales / Techwin, Agency of defence development,...
Manufacturer : Doosan conglomerate ( Infracore)

Specifications :
Weight : 55 tonnes (54 long tons; 61 short tons)
Length : 10.8 metres (35 ft 5 in) including gun, 7.5 metres (24 ft 7 in) chassis only
Width : 3.6 metres (11 ft 10 in)
Height : 2.4 metres (7 ft 10 in)
Crew : 3
Armour : Layers consisting of soft- and hard-kill anti-missile defense systems, ERA, NERA, modular
Primary armament : 120 mm (4.72 in.), 55 caliber smoothbore gun (40 rounds)
Secondary armament : 1× 12.7 mm (.50 caliber) K6 heavy machine gun (3,200 rounds),1× 7.62 mm (.30 caliber) coaxial machine gun
Engine : 4-cycle, 12-cylinder water-cooled diesel 1,500 hp
Power/weight : 27.3 hp/tonne
Suspension: In-arm Suspension Unit
Fuel capacity : 1,000 liters
Operational range : 450 kilometres (280 mi)
Speed : 70 km/h (44 mph) (road),50 km/h (cross country),(acceleration of 0–32 km/h [0–20 mph] within 7 seconds)
Unit cost : US$7.1 million



Type 90
Rank : 6
Country of Origin : Japan
Designer : Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
Manufacturer : Mitsubishi Heavy Industries

Specifications :
Weight : 50.2 tonnes
Length : 9.755 m
Width : 3.33 m
Height : 2.33 m
Crew : 3
Armour : Modular ceramic/steel composite armour
Primary armament : Rheinmetall 120 mm smoothbore gun with automatic loader 35 rounds
Secondary armament : M2HB 12.7 mm machine gun 1,500 rounds, 7.62mm machine gun Type 74 2,000 rounds
Engine : Mitsubishi 10ZG 10-cylinder, two-stroke cycle Diesel 21500cc
Power/weight : 29.9 hp/tonne
Transmission : Mitsubishi MT1500 automatic transmission (4 forward gears, 2 reverse gears )
Suspension: Hydropneumatic
Fuel capacity : 1,100 L
Operational range : 350 km
Speed : 70 km/h (acceleration: 0–200 m in 20 s)
Unit cost : US$ 7.4 million

 

[Manticore]

Leclerc
Rank : 7
Country of Origin : France
Designer : Nexter
Manufacturer : Nexter

Specifications :
Weight : 54.5 tonnes
Length : 9.87 m (6.88 without gun)
Width : 3.71 m
Height :2.53 m
Crew : 3
Armour : Steel, titanium, NERA
Primary armament : GIAT CN120-26/52, 120mm tank gun, 40 rounds (1 round ready to fire in the chamber
Secondary armament : 12.7 mm coaxial M2HB machine gun, 1,100 rounds, 7.62mm machine gun, 3,000 rounds
Engine : 8-cylinder diesel Wärtsilä 1,500 hp (1,100 kW)
Power/weight : 27.52 hp/tonne
Transmission : Automatic SESM ESM500
Suspension: Hydropneumatic
Fuel capacity : 1,000 liters
Operational range : 550 km, 650 km (400 mi) with external fuel
Speed : 71 km/h (44 mph)
Unit cost : ₣ 29,000,000 in


Type 99
Rank : 8
Country of Origin : China
Designer : Norinco
Manufacturer : Norinco

Specifications :
Weight : 58 tonnes
Length : 11.0 m
Width : 3.4 m
Height : 2.2 m
Crew : 3
Armour : Classified
Primary armament : 125 mm smoothbore tank gun, compatible with Chinese 140mm guns
Secondary armament : Type 85 heavy machine gun 12.7x108 mm commander's machine gun, 7.62 mm coaxial machine gun
Engine : Liquid-cooled diesel 1,500 hp (1,100 kW); 2,100 hp for Type 99KM
Power/weight : 27.8 hp/tonne; 28 hp/tonne for Type 99KM
Suspension: Torsion-bar suspension
Operational range : 600 km
Speed : 80 km/h (50 mph)
Unit cost : US $ 2,500,000



T-90
Rank : 9
Country of Origin : Russia
Designer : Kartsev-Venediktov
Manufacturer : Uralvagonzavod

Specifications :
Weight : 46.5 tonnes (45.8 LT; 51.3 ST)
Length : 9.53 m (31 ft 3 in)
Width : 3.78 m (12 ft 5 in)
Height : 2.22 m (7 ft 3 in)
Crew : 3
Armour : Steel-composite-reactive blend
Primary armament : 125 mm smoothbore gun with ATGM capability; mainly 9M119 Svir
Secondary armament : 7.62 mm coaxial machine gun, 12.7 mm anti-aircraft machine gun
Engine : 1,250 hp (919 kW) for V-96 12-cyl. diesel engine[
Power/weight : 26.9 hp/tonne (19.8 kW/tonne)
Transmission : Renk HSWL 354
Suspension: Torsion-bar
Operational range : 550 km (340 mi) (internal fuel)
Speed : 60 km/h (37 mph)
Unit cost : US $2.23 million

 

[Manticore]

K1 A1
Rank : 10
Country of Origin : South Korea
Designer : General Dynamics
Manufacturer : Hyundai Rotem

Specifications :
Weight : 60.1 short tons
Length : 9.71 m
Width : 3.60 m
Height : 2.25 m
Crew : 4
Armour : Composite
Primary armament : KM256 120 mm (32 rounds)
Secondary armament : 12.7 mm K6 HMG on right pintle mount for commander , 7.62 mm M60D on left pintle mount for loader
Engine : 10-cyl. water-cooled diesel MTU 871 Ka-501, 1200 hp (890 kW) at 2600 rpm
Power/weight : 22.0 hp/ton
Transmission : ZF LSG 3000 (Four forward, two reverse)
Suspension: Hydropneumatic at front, torsion bar at rear of the chassis
Operational range : 500 km
Speed : 65 km/h (road), 40 km/h (cross country)
Unit cost : 4,400,000,000 Won


Type 90-II (MBT-2000 / Al Khalid)
Rank : 11
Country of Origin : China
Designer : Norinco, Factory 617
Manufacturer : Norinco (MBT-2000) , Heavy Industries Taxila ( Pakistan)

Specifications :
Crew: 3
Weight: 48t
Engine: Ukraine built 6TD 1,200hp liquid cooled diesel
Transmission: Mechanical, planetary
Suspension: Torsion bar
Ground Pressure: 26hp/t
Main Gun: Indigenous 125mm smoothbore, 39 rounds
Auxiliary Weapon: One coaxial 7.62mm machine gun; one 12.7mm air-defence machine gun
Operating range: 450km
Speed: Max road 65km/h; max off-road 45km/h
Unit Cost : US $2.23 million


PT-91
Rank : 12
Country of Origin : Poland
Designer : OBRUM
Manufacturer : Krauss-Maffei Wegmann, Maschinenbau Kiel

Specifications :
Weight : 45.9 tonnes
Length : 6.95 m (9.67 with barrel in forward position)
Width : 3.59 m
Height : 2.19 m
Crew : 3
Armour : composite armour; front and side armor laminated; front, side and top armor behind Erawa-1/Erawa-2 ERA
Primary armament : 1 x 125mm 2A46M (D-81TM) gun (42 rounds)[
Secondary armament : 1 x 7.62mm PKT coaxial general purpose machine gun (2000 rounds)
Engine : 1000 hp (746 kW)
Power/weight : 21.9 hp/tonne (16.3 kW/tonne)
Transmission : Manual
Suspension: Torsion-bar suspension
Fuel capacity : 1,000 liters
Operational range : 550 km
Speed : 60 km/h
Unit cost : US$ 3.68 million


New Arrivals : Arjun
Rank : N/A
Status : Last phase of designing
Country of Origin : India
Designer : CVRDE, DRDO, TATA Conglomerate
Manufacturer : Heavy Vehicles Factory, Avadi, Chennai

Specifications :
Weight : 58.5 tonnes (57.6 long tons; 64.5 short tons)
Length : 10.638 metres (34 ft 10.8 in)
Width : 3.864 metres (12 ft 8.1 in)
Height : 2.32 metres (7 ft 7 in)
Crew : 4 (commander, gunner, loader and driver)
Armor : Steel/composite Kanchan armour.
Primary armament : 120 mm rifled tank gun, LAHAT anti-tank missile, HEAT, APFSDS, HESH Rounds
Secondary armament : HCB 12.7 mm AA MG, Mag 7.62 mm Tk715 coaxial MG
Engine : MTU 838 Ka 501 diesel, 1,400 hp (1,040 kW)
Power/weight : 26 hp/tonne
Transmission: Renk epicyclic train gearbox, 4 fwd + 2 rev gears
Suspension : Hydropneumatic
Ground clearance : 0.45 metres (1 ft 6 in)
Fuel capacity : 1,610 litres (350 imp gal; 430 US gal)
Operational range : 450 kilometres (280 mi)
Speed : 72 km/h (45 mph) Road, 40 km/h (25 mph) cross country
Unit cost : US$3.8M


source- china daily

 

[graphican]

K1 A1
Rank : 10
Country of Origin : South Korea
Designer : General Dynamics
Manufacturer : Hyundai Rotem

Specifications :
Weight : 60.1 short tons
Length : 9.71 m
Width : 3.60 m
Height : 2.25 m
Crew : 4
Armour : Composite
Primary armament : KM256 120 mm (32 rounds)
Secondary armament : 12.7 mm K6 HMG on right pintle mount for commander , 7.62 mm M60D on left pintle mount for loader
Engine : 10-cyl. water-cooled diesel MTU 871 Ka-501, 1200 hp (890 kW) at 2600 rpm
Power/weight : 22.0 hp/ton
Transmission : ZF LSG 3000 (Four forward, two reverse)
Suspension: Hydropneumatic at front, torsion bar at rear of the chassis
Operational range : 500 km
Speed : 65 km/h (road), 40 km/h (cross country)
Unit cost : 4,400,000,000 Won


Type 90-II (MBT-2000 / Al Khalid)
Rank : 11
Country of Origin : China
Designer : Norinco, Factory 617
Manufacturer : Norinco (MBT-2000) , Heavy Industries Taxila ( Pakistan)

Specifications :
Crew: 3
Weight: 48t
Engine: Ukraine built 6TD 1,200hp liquid cooled diesel
Transmission: Mechanical, planetary
Suspension: Torsion bar
Ground Pressure: 26hp/t
Main Gun: Indigenous 125mm smoothbore, 39 rounds
Auxiliary Weapon: One coaxial 7.62mm machine gun; one 12.7mm air-defence machine gun
Operating range: 450km
Speed: Max road 65km/h; max off-road 45km/h
Unit Cost : US $2.23 million


PT-91
Rank : 12
Country of Origin : Poland
Designer : OBRUM
Manufacturer : Krauss-Maffei Wegmann, Maschinenbau Kiel

Specifications :
Weight : 45.9 tonnes
Length : 6.95 m (9.67 with barrel in forward position)
Width : 3.59 m
Height : 2.19 m
Crew : 3
Armour : composite armour; front and side armor laminated; front, side and top armor behind Erawa-1/Erawa-2 ERA
Primary armament : 1 x 125mm 2A46M (D-81TM) gun (42 rounds)[
Secondary armament : 1 x 7.62mm PKT coaxial general purpose machine gun (2000 rounds)
Engine : 1000 hp (746 kW)
Power/weight : 21.9 hp/tonne (16.3 kW/tonne)
Transmission : Manual
Suspension: Torsion-bar suspension
Fuel capacity : 1,000 liters
Operational range : 550 km
Speed : 60 km/h
Unit cost : US$ 3.68 million


New Arrivals : Arjun
Rank : N/A
Status : Last phase of designing
Country of Origin : India
Designer : CVRDE, DRDO, TATA Conglomerate
Manufacturer : Heavy Vehicles Factory, Avadi, Chennai

Specifications :
Weight : 58.5 tonnes (57.6 long tons; 64.5 short tons)
Length : 10.638 metres (34 ft 10.8 in)
Width : 3.864 metres (12 ft 8.1 in)
Height : 2.32 metres (7 ft 7 in)
Crew : 4 (commander, gunner, loader and driver)
Armor : Steel/composite Kanchan armour.
Primary armament : 120 mm rifled tank gun, LAHAT anti-tank missile, HEAT, APFSDS, HESH Rounds
Secondary armament : HCB 12.7 mm AA MG, Mag 7.62 mm Tk715 coaxial MG
Engine : MTU 838 Ka 501 diesel, 1,400 hp (1,040 kW)
Power/weight : 26 hp/tonne
Transmission: Renk epicyclic train gearbox, 4 fwd + 2 rev gears
Suspension : Hydropneumatic
Ground clearance : 0.45 metres (1 ft 6 in)
Fuel capacity : 1,610 litres (350 imp gal; 430 US gal)
Operational range : 450 kilometres (280 mi)
Speed : 72 km/h (45 mph) Road, 40 km/h (25 mph) cross country
Unit cost : US$3.8M
source- china daily

Indians are not going to appreciate this analysis.

 

[Ammyy]

Indians are not going to appreciate this analysis.

you need comment or want to burn the thread .... i dnt know whats the criteria to make any member senior member ????