Actually, you idiot, they were far better. Our sensors had ZERO problems identifying units moving into or out of theatre. Zilch.
Thanks for personalising your remark and blowing your cool. much appreciated and civilised approach i agree. Idiot is usually a mental retard with IQ way below 60 so you are kind of off here, tested 160 for that. was kind of too personal here. and right US had ZERO episodes of friendly fire incidents thanks to your "sensors". Arty units anyways stay far behind, even if you are with armored elements so I think you were a bit way off ......
Gee whiz, hellfire, you're talking to the absolutely wrong guy here. I don't care what was there. I know these unassailable facts which you are permitted to digest IAW your abilities to absorb-
i know am talking to the wrong guy .... you are too fixated in US politicians being righteous ALWAYS!!!!
1.) An Iraqi fascist regime is utterly dismantled.
to be replaced by a "democratic" government which rules pretty much the same way by miscarriage of justice. example is recent trial and guilty verdict for Tariq Aziz in a case that even International Human Rights watch groups have said as being unfair and without proof as the guy was not even in country at the time of said crimes. cheers to US!!!
2.) Iraqi irridentist ambitions for conquest, twice demonstrated with Iran and Kuwait, is a non-issue for the forseeable future.
lets see, now since when have you become pro-Iran? here wait, was not the country of Iran being bled while US provided arms to its enemies who were gassing its citizens? Now my history may be wrong as you have pointed out.
3.) The b'aath leadership is CRUSHED and it's leader and sons ground temperature.
the bush junior did what papa could not ..... destroyed the communal harmony in a nation which was one of the most advanced and tolerant societies of its time ..... nice way of fighting dictatorship!!!! now am sure you plan the same for China and Pakistan next time round? so whns the strike scheduled?
4.) Kurdish and shia aspirations are unleashed and neither race lives under the suffrage of Sunni minority domination.
Aspirations of Texans (original inhabitants) would be welcome too. dont see US doing that do we? Unfair now Iran and Turkey still kick the Kurds around, when do you plan to invade these two nations for protection of rights of "poor" Kurds?
5.) All vestiges of WMD-past, present, and future-have been dismantled and effectively neutered for the foreseeable future. No more gas attacks upon Kurds, Iranians or anybody else. Fini.
now where are the promised nukes as claimed by US in UN assembly to justify the war on Iraq? and again when are you invading North Korea and Iran? Those two nations are probably more dangerous right? And what about US still sitting on largest stockpile ever? we feel threatened as does the whole of Islamic world .... when do you "neutralise" them?
6.) A democratic muslim/arab nation now possesses the opportunity to determine it's own future.
when is saudi arabia on your democratic list? lets see you invade that country to "instill" democracy where monarch is hated by people and islamists alike for autocracy and absence of basic freedom.
your morals have no ideals or basis sir.
How #6 goes remains to be seen but I'm UTTERLY pleased with our efforts and bear no poor opinion of our strategic intelligence services. Hope that helps...
be pleased....for US ensured millions of Iraqi children have no future, education gone, no scope for development, peace ..... great going sir
However, your red herrings aside, we're discussing TACTICAL and OPERATIONAL intelligence. My army, air force, and marines control those sensors and we had (and have) an unparalleled view of the modern battlefield, thank you very much.
agreed .... but what was fed to you, was scripted in halls of white house, not NSC or pentagon ....... and thats anything but tactical and operation info ....
Do you know that I could care less. So Schwartzkopf gave you a single briefing BEFORE the battle opened, eh? Big deal. Meanwhile, I didn't see any I.A. agency on any distribution list of intel I received.
i-am-right. when thats the belief, one really cant see anything other than what one wants to see ........ 6 days was a long time for the briefing .... anyways yup big deal, the plans were being formulated there dear ....... ever heard of Op. Brasstacks? Suggest you read your own army's assessment of that exercise done by IA ..... its something of why the said gentleman was consulted ..... also IA is not the one to pass info to US .... US had own sources with same ...... and SIGINT-HUMINT teams of India in Afghanistan are providing intel to US on necessity basis for ops...... and its again need to know .... you get a hard brief and then you act not wonder where the source is, that is the liasion offrs task
Those usually come classified NOFORN (Not Releasable to Foreign Nationals/Governments/Non-US Citizens: US government classification control).
am not talking about US handing out info am I?
JSTARS said otherwise and I trust them one hell of a lot more than you.
good for you.
You really know your American military history. Not that I'm asking you to but, please understand, I'd prefer that you not butcher it as you administer your "lessons".
I know a fair bit of it. hooper was type mistake something i corrected then itself, read my post again ... it shall show time and date of correction. was reading of cricket so hooper (from west indies carl hooper)
That "dimwit" general to whom you refer is named HOOKER. Joseph Hooker. You refer to the Battle of Chancellorsville. It had NOTHING to do with the Potomac River.
I pointed out had corrected my spelling .... anyways ..... you are right where he lost, but he lost the initiative as he followed the retreating Gen Lee's army into Pennsylvania and he spent whole loads oftime waiting to prepare for his move after getting reinforcements from garrisson at Harpers Ferry (which the war department turned down) which if am not wrong is near abouts to Potomac river if you recall ...... this was his first mistake and second when he sat out the winters across rappahannock and rapidian rivers ...... for the said battle where even with greater numbers and superior deployment plan he lost ........
Indeed they are and there'd be little purpose to addressing those gaps in your education at this late date. I'm convinced you've no competency to address air-land battle. In point of fact, you seem to really want some type of discussion on the history of mechanized manuever theory. Far more broad an application and lacking specificity.
not looking for self styled lidell hart please ......
anyways your closing lines now ..... this was last on this line from my side ... have wavered off too much off the topic ...... wont happen hence
cheers ......
take care,
Thanks for personalising your remark and blowing your cool. much appreciated and civilised approach i agree. Idiot is usually a mental retard with IQ way below 60 so you are kind of off here, tested 160 for that. was kind of too personal here. and right US had ZERO episodes of friendly fire incidents thanks to your "sensors". Arty units anyways stay far behind, even if you are with armored elements so I think you were a bit way off ......
Gee whiz, hellfire, you're talking to the absolutely wrong guy here. I don't care what was there. I know these unassailable facts which you are permitted to digest IAW your abilities to absorb-
i know am talking to the wrong guy .... you are too fixated in US politicians being righteous ALWAYS!!!!
1.) An Iraqi fascist regime is utterly dismantled.
to be replaced by a "democratic" government which rules pretty much the same way by miscarriage of justice. example is recent trial and guilty verdict for Tariq Aziz in a case that even International Human Rights watch groups have said as being unfair and without proof as the guy was not even in country at the time of said crimes. cheers to US!!!
2.) Iraqi irridentist ambitions for conquest, twice demonstrated with Iran and Kuwait, is a non-issue for the forseeable future.
lets see, now since when have you become pro-Iran? here wait, was not the country of Iran being bled while US provided arms to its enemies who were gassing its citizens? Now my history may be wrong as you have pointed out.
3.) The b'aath leadership is CRUSHED and it's leader and sons ground temperature.
the bush junior did what papa could not ..... destroyed the communal harmony in a nation which was one of the most advanced and tolerant societies of its time ..... nice way of fighting dictatorship!!!! now am sure you plan the same for China and Pakistan next time round? so whns the strike scheduled?
4.) Kurdish and shia aspirations are unleashed and neither race lives under the suffrage of Sunni minority domination.
Aspirations of Texans (original inhabitants) would be welcome too. dont see US doing that do we? Unfair now Iran and Turkey still kick the Kurds around, when do you plan to invade these two nations for protection of rights of "poor" Kurds?
5.) All vestiges of WMD-past, present, and future-have been dismantled and effectively neutered for the foreseeable future. No more gas attacks upon Kurds, Iranians or anybody else. Fini.
now where are the promised nukes as claimed by US in UN assembly to justify the war on Iraq? and again when are you invading North Korea and Iran? Those two nations are probably more dangerous right? And what about US still sitting on largest stockpile ever? we feel threatened as does the whole of Islamic world .... when do you "neutralise" them?
6.) A democratic muslim/arab nation now possesses the opportunity to determine it's own future.
when is saudi arabia on your democratic list? lets see you invade that country to "instill" democracy where monarch is hated by people and islamists alike for autocracy and absence of basic freedom.
your morals have no ideals or basis sir.
How #6 goes remains to be seen but I'm UTTERLY pleased with our efforts and bear no poor opinion of our strategic intelligence services. Hope that helps...
be pleased....for US ensured millions of Iraqi children have no future, education gone, no scope for development, peace ..... great going sir
However, your red herrings aside, we're discussing TACTICAL and OPERATIONAL intelligence. My army, air force, and marines control those sensors and we had (and have) an unparalleled view of the modern battlefield, thank you very much.
agreed .... but what was fed to you, was scripted in halls of white house, not NSC or pentagon ....... and thats anything but tactical and operation info ....
Do you know that I could care less. So Schwartzkopf gave you a single briefing BEFORE the battle opened, eh? Big deal. Meanwhile, I didn't see any I.A. agency on any distribution list of intel I received.
i-am-right. when thats the belief, one really cant see anything other than what one wants to see ........ 6 days was a long time for the briefing .... anyways yup big deal, the plans were being formulated there dear ....... ever heard of Op. Brasstacks? Suggest you read your own army's assessment of that exercise done by IA ..... its something of why the said gentleman was consulted ..... also IA is not the one to pass info to US .... US had own sources with same ...... and SIGINT-HUMINT teams of India in Afghanistan are providing intel to US on necessity basis for ops...... and its again need to know .... you get a hard brief and then you act not wonder where the source is, that is the liasion offrs task
Those usually come classified NOFORN (Not Releasable to Foreign Nationals/Governments/Non-US Citizens: US government classification control).
am not talking about US handing out info am I?
JSTARS said otherwise and I trust them one hell of a lot more than you.
good for you.
You really know your American military history. Not that I'm asking you to but, please understand, I'd prefer that you not butcher it as you administer your "lessons".
I know a fair bit of it. hooper was type mistake something i corrected then itself, read my post again ... it shall show time and date of correction. was reading of cricket so hooper (from west indies carl hooper)
That "dimwit" general to whom you refer is named HOOKER. Joseph Hooker. You refer to the Battle of Chancellorsville. It had NOTHING to do with the Potomac River.
I pointed out had corrected my spelling .... anyways ..... you are right where he lost, but he lost the initiative as he followed the retreating Gen Lee's army into Pennsylvania and he spent whole loads oftime waiting to prepare for his move after getting reinforcements from garrisson at Harpers Ferry (which the war department turned down) which if am not wrong is near abouts to Potomac river if you recall ...... this was his first mistake and second when he sat out the winters across rappahannock and rapidian rivers ...... for the said battle where even with greater numbers and superior deployment plan he lost ........
Indeed they are and there'd be little purpose to addressing those gaps in your education at this late date. I'm convinced you've no competency to address air-land battle. In point of fact, you seem to really want some type of discussion on the history of mechanized manuever theory. Far more broad an application and lacking specificity.
not looking for self styled lidell hart please ......
anyways your closing lines now ..... this was last on this line from my side ... have wavered off too much off the topic ...... wont happen hence
cheers ......
take care,