Osama was hiding in Pakistan , so what !!

[Cloakedvessel]

Budapest: Hungarian Nazi war crimes suspect Laszlo Csatary, 97, number one on the Simon Wiesenthal Center's wanted list, has been taken into custody and charged, Budapest prosecutors said.

Csatary, accused by the Wiesenthal Center of having helped organize the deportation of some 15,700 Jews to the Auschwitz death camp during World War II, "has been taken into custody," the public prosecutors office said in a statement.

They added that Csatary, full name Laszlo Csizsik-Csatary, a former senior police officer in Kosice, which at that time was in Hungary but is now in Slovakia, "has been charged with committing war crimes."

In 1948, a Czechoslovakian court condemned Csatary, who the Wiesenthal Center said was in charge of the Jewish ghetto in Kosice, to death in absentia.

But he had made it to Canada, where he worked as an art dealer in Montreal and Toronto until in the 1990s he was stripped of his citizenship there and was forced to flee.

He ended up in Budapest where he has lived undisturbed ever since until the Wiesenthal Center alerted Hungarian authorities last year, providing it with evidence it said implicated Csatary in war crimes.

British tabloid The Sun raised publicity of his case in a report at the weekend after tracking down the old man, photographing him and confronting him at his front door.

World's most-wanted Nazi held at 97 | NDTV.com

Hidden in Hungarian capital for over 6 decades , is Pakistan more guilty than Hungary ?

Don't know about that, but just to correct. He has lived for almost forty years in Canada, only the last 15 years in Hungary. And not hidden or under a false name, but renting a house under his own name. Big difference.

 

[salmank]

Who am I? a nobody save for the fact that I have relatives in the places that matter. There is consensus within the said circles that OBL infact died circa 2005 due to kidney failure, his body was was recovered and kept in Chaklala - Raymond Davis apparently discovered this info. due to an informant leak.
Whether or not the body is still there or was handed to the americans; no one can say. What is a fact is that the compound in Abbotabad only housed his wife and kids - period.
It defies all logic that the americans would not display nor photograph his body after alleged capture - doing so would have been a major propaganda plus especially for the US domestic audience. Yet they didn't as they did not have his body.

The only sad and sickening thing in all this our agencies remain quiet on this but understandable in lieu of the fact that it was them who had his body in cold storage ever since 2005.

Just my 2 pence worth.

 

[Vassnti]

I wouldn’t have chosen Eichmann as a good example there is a fair amount of evidence that the Peron government helped him and other Nazi's, Eichmann felt safe to be a lot more open even to the extent of enrolling his kids at school under his own name and working for a number of German companies.

If Osama had been working at the local mango exporter with his kids enrolled at the local school under the name Bin laden you can image the result.

Though even being so pro Nazi I don’t recall Argentina crying about a breach of sovereignty when they got Eichmann

 

[Irfan Baloch]

u cant escape through this as u r thinking now..............
it was near ur military academy where ur chief delivered message

lol

stop eating too much Paan
Al-libi escaped from the jail right in the middle of American base where Panetta had a dump few days ago.

does it make sense to you?

sardar ji... its a military academy.. of new 19 year old recruits.. they are not a missile factory or something. they are made to drill and train like hell till they drop dead in their beds.

what happens few miles beyond their place has of no consequence to them.
there is even a local church, army school of music and a local fruit seller as well. guess they were all hiding him.
the army school of music played the songs for Osama while the Local Church prayed for him and the fruit seller threw rotten apples on the strangers.

i included a video to help you understand what i mean

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=400670063323426

 

[iajj]

I wouldn’t have chosen Eichmann as a good example there is a fair amount of evidence that the Peron government helped him and other Nazi's, Eichmann felt safe to be a lot more open even to the extent of enrolling his kids at school under his own name and working for a number of German companies.

If Osama had been working at the local mango exporter with his kids enrolled at the local school under the name Bin laden you can image the result.

Though even being so pro Nazi I don’t recall Argentina crying about a breach of sovereignty when they got Eichmann

just what are you talking about? argentina made a HUGE deal out of this, took this issue to UN, and exacted humiliating and public concessions from israel. the cowardly jews never attempted anything similar there.

 

[Mercenary]

The Problem with Pakistan is that it has a fragmented command structure.

Even though the policy of the country tries to pursue certain objectives, those orders are not always adhered to and thus negated by lower command structures.

For example, Pakistan's policy after 9/11 was to turn against the Taliban and pursue Al Qaeda terrorists. But while the higher echelons wanted this course of action, you could not trust the mid-level commanders who have been brainwashed into the jihadi mentality and sought these Talbian and Al Qaeda as their brethern.

So that is why I don't blame USA for not alerting Pakistan about Bin Laden's location.

That is just the problem with Pakistan. Government does not have total control and thus orders lose their potency at the lower levels.

It's a sad state of affairs for Pakistan indeed, especially when not even 1 suicide bombing took place in Pakistan till 2004, & America pushed all the Al-Qaeda & Taliban terrorists inside Pakistan from Afghanistan. Al-Qaeda & Taliban still have their sanctuaries in Afghanistan where they operate from, & conduct terrorist attacks inside Pakistan that the US hasn't wanted to root out.

And now why doesn't Pakistan push these Taliban and Al Qaeda terrorists out of Pakistan?

Isn't Pakistan's sovereignty being violated?

 

[ziaulislam]

osama came to pakistan during largest earth quake in millennium through an open boarder through which millions of people travel each year is that a biggest failure for thrid world country with home land security budget 1/100th of USA

or is four consecutive planes being hijacked lossing their tracks and then hitting targets inside USA without being detected by air force which has more resources then combining all air forces in the world.

forget that according to intelligence reports the buzz was very high about these attacks before it happened so high that it even transformed into a movie in hollywood

in nutshell if a non functional leader manages to hide in outskirts of largest city of region in time of highest choas and crisis is called intelligence failure then of course 9/11 is a million times higher intelligence failure by SHARE CALCULATION OF STATISTICS

And now why doesn't Pakistan push these Taliban and Al Qaeda terrorists out of Pakistan?

Isn't Pakistan's sovereignty being violated?

yes it should be done but after over stretching our troops with litte resources these guys would simply run to afghn and when troops leave area they will come back..and there is an indain factor in regard to not decreasing it troops at kashmir boarder, no thanks we also have 71 expereience when it comes to india

i am lying /wrong, ask the BBC and see about Fazullah

why Pakistan doesnt blame USA to stopping 9/11 that caused bigggest destruction to us?!

does capturing so many master minds do count or not..
thing is paksiatn is better off, if we are getting so much insult, i am pretty sure they will realize then..

 

[third eye]

Well..well

The only thought that comes to mind on reading the mind boggling arguments and logic put forth..

" You can drag a horse to water but cannot force it to drink'...

 

[third eye]

Well..well

The only thought that comes to mind on reading the mind boggling arguments and logic put forth..

" You can drag a horse to water but cannot force it to drink'...

 

[SamranAli]

u cant escape through this as u r thinking now..............
it was near ur military academy where ur chief delivered message

So what if he was hiding?

 

[Alphacharlie]

There is a lot of talk about "why OBL" was hiding in Pakistan for so long and more .

Lets see where Pakistan stands in a historical context.

Criminal: Dr Josef Mengele (Angel of Death)

Country: Nazi Germany WWII

Crimes: Exterminated thousands of Jews and Gypsies , notorious for human experimentations , obsessed with twins.

Country of hiding post WWII: South America (Brazil)

Josef Mengele - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Criminal: Lieutenant Colonel Adolf Eichmann SS Brigade.

Country of origin: Nazi Germany WWII

Crimes: Major organizer of Auschwitz concentration camp , he sent over 430,000 Hungarians to the death camps alone.

Country of Hiding: Argentina

Adolf Eichmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of war Criminals:

List of convicted war criminals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




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In above context none of the Governments where the criminals were hiding were to blame because the criminals were just happened to be hiding there.

There is a huge difference between hiding and being "sheltered" , if the above countries were not to blame for those criminals hiding in them according to the same theory Pakistan is not to be blamed for OBL hiding here either !

Pakistan wasn't sheltering OBL as if we were he wouldn't have been living in a 3 story mansion but rather in some secured facility deep inside the mountains of Balochistan where he couldn't be found for eternity ! - so stop blaming Pakistan .

Point Taken. However, Argentina never encoraged in Terrorist acts against any Nation. Which on the contrary tilt the Balance for Pakistan

 

[T90TankGuy]

Who am I? a nobody save for the fact that I have relatives in the places that matter. There is consensus within the said circles that OBL infact died circa 2005 due to kidney failure, his body was was recovered and kept in Chaklala - Raymond Davis apparently discovered this info. due to an informant leak.
Whether or not the body is still there or was handed to the americans; no one can say. What is a fact is that the compound in Abbotabad only housed his wife and kids - period.
It defies all logic that the americans would not display nor photograph his body after alleged capture - doing so would have been a major propaganda plus especially for the US domestic audience. Yet they didn't as they did not have his body.

The only sad and sickening thing in all this our agencies remain quiet on this but understandable in lieu of the fact that it was them who had his body in cold storage ever since 2005.

Just my 2 pence worth.

wow
such insight , that too on your first post mate

why in gods name reactivate a yr old thread? does it matter today?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Ummmm.... there is a difference- Pakistan claims/claimed to be in the fight AGAINST terrorism and by extension AQ as such to find the head of AQ, the most wanted man on EARTH, in Abbottobad, metres from the PA's OTS and a few KMs from the capital city of Pakistan living not in a mountain but in a large mansion is a real slap in the face of all those who claim "Pakistan is in the fight with you". Not only that but it is clear that OBL enjoyed, on some level, support from (elements)n of the GoP so the "double-dealing" it is what the OBL-incident clearly put into focus for the world. The fact is Brazil and Argentina weren't claiming they were in the hunt for Nazis nor where they saying these criminals weren't in their nation. Pakistan on so many occasions said OBL isn't in Pakistan (the PRESIDENT of Pakistan said this numerous times) additionally Pakistan claimed it had no links with terror groups but the fact is the OBL raid showed all the lies Pakistan has told.

And we should not look at these things out of context. Argentina and Brazil at the time had fascist/dictatorships yes but weren't Nazi regimes themselves and apart from a few incidents like these there wasn't too much worry that they were. However time and time again Pakistan has been shown to be supporting and habouring terrorists of all ranks. One must not look at this out of complex this inicdent just confirmed what many already knew/feared. It is DIFFERENT to the cases of Mengale and Eichmann.

 

[regular]

Well..well

The only thought that comes to mind on reading the mind boggling arguments and logic put forth..

" You can drag a horse to water but cannot force it to drink'...

Oh it is so easy to force the horse to drink.......
just keep him thirsty for two dayz and he gonna be forcing U to take him to the water so that he can drink it all.I guess U don't wanna take advantage of the natural phenomenons......

 

[airmarshal]

Osama did not mean anything to Pakistanis. He was a CiA asset that was past shelf life. For the US it was war trophy, a trophy that they did not bother to show to the world.

For Pakistan dismantling Al-Qaeda within the country was important and that task was done very well. In fact no one can claim to have captured or killed more Al-Qaeda than Pakistani security forces.

Congratulations USA on one more dead body in your trophy closet.