Opinion: The time for equivocating about a nuclear-armed, Taliban-friendly Pakistan is over

[khansaheeb]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1429938995983753216

Surprised these crazy Neocons haven't been held to account by the US public.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

He is opposition to the current regime.
Everyone talks like that In opposition.
USA has one goal and that is china.
They won't bother with Pakistan and right now I see cooperation among cia and isi.
Even trump removed him for his wars.
As he insist on staying in Afghanistan.

 

[khansaheeb]

Biden won't do anything till Sept 1st that is till Afghan evacuations are ongoing.
But after that sanctions are coming.

First thing Biden should do is sanction India for their betrayal and cowardly acts. India is not a trustable partner and this American -Indian Zion fantasy needs to be ditched. India is a more of a credible threat to US interests than China and Russia.

 

[Path-Finder]

Not some, many in actual fact. Such people are considered unstable. He is no voice. Do you realise how many such 'voices' there are?
Responses are not warranted to idiots sitting in retirement homes. You deal with what's in front of you.

okay, if out of 100 people say 25-30 are not with you. But remaining majority, numerical majority is with you. that still counts as a large support base despite disgruntled individuals.

Most importantly the disagreement can be on menial things but if it came down to making their policy priority then all forms of disagreements will exit the building.

 

[rambro]

The worlds biggest terror accuse others as terror.

 

[TigerOfMysore]

US did not lose in Afghanistan, it lost Pakistan!

America lost in large measure because it bought the Indian narrative and developed its Afpak policy squarely around it.

rava.pk

Here is today's editorial. The counter narrative to John Bolton's BS.

Editors Choice
US did not lose in Afghanistan, it lost Pakistan!
August 24, 2021
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Hindsight is 20:20, yet past is also prologue. American failure to truly understand its debacle in Afghanistan will be given many colors and hues over the coming months and years. The business of think tanks and special interest groups will continue to validate a narrative that they have held for far too long, for concern of being exposed for their group-think and confirmation biases. The business of vilifying Pakistan will coalesce, and hubris will win the day. Perhaps such is the rot that is foregone for any empire, and America is no exception.

For years Pakistan had been arguing that a military solution in Afghanistan was a fool’s errand. That the American experiment of a national army was bound to fail. Yet the Pakistan bashing industry in the United States colored every Pak argument as a fork- tongued intrigue, that merited little attention. Indian lobbies as well as orchestrated dis-information built a wall of counter narratives (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/11/eu-ngo-report-uncovers-a-15-year-disinformation-campaign). The porous nature of the 2700KM borders between Pakistan and Afghanistan along with the over 3 million refugees was billed as a conscious effort by the ISI to infiltrate and fuel the insurgency. Loss of 70,000 Pakistani civilians and military officials (even general officers) was notched as some macabre bloodletting by Pakistan to hide its truly nefarious purpose. Even the deaths of over a hundred schoolchildren by the Pakistani Taliban were not enough for the US and her erstwhile cheerleaders to realize that Pakistan was facing an existential threat from the US-led war on terror. No number of Pakistani concerns of the over the multitude of Indian consulates and “construction zones” along Pakistan’s border were heeded, as India actively funded and orchestrated terrorism within Pakistan. Finally, the killing and bombing of Pakistanis by its ally, the United States of America (https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa33/013/2013/en/ ), was perhaps the last nail in an over 70-year relationship.

America lost in large measure because it bought the Indian narrative and developed its Afpak policy squarely around it. What the US failed to realize is that the Indian view of Pakistan is obtuse and illogical (

https://twitter.com/x/status/1429904859583680512

), and is largely fueled by Hindutva fascism that the world has not fully comprehended. This fascism has long destroyed the fabric of the India’s secular and democratic system and left a shell of Gandhi’s India alive only in Bollywood’s fanciful screens or romantic notions in Western minds. The West dutifully remains beguiled under the luster of India’s economic, financial, military markets, and this dangerous slumber will eventually clash with Western core principles of humanitarianism and egalitarianism. Biden’s continuation of Obama’s look East, especially through the Quad’s principles of democracies, lies hollow under a weight of a Quad member whose dabbles in pogroms and religious caste oppression on millions of her own citizens.

In the span of the last 20 years, the United States not only lost in Afghanistan, but more importantly, it lost Pakistan. This loss will not even factor in any meaningful discourse as global empires seldom give to objective retrospection. Perhaps in time there might be those brave enough in the US establishment to shed light on what is likely to be America’s single largest foreign policy disaster since Vietnam. The loss of Pakistan to the other side of the foreboding bi-polar world.

 

[Shah_Deu]

No need to worry about. We have faced sanctions and in fact are still facing them in the form of FATF.

We have to understand, that a giant is still reeling from the punches it had faced in the past 20 years and it is hurting as he prepares to get out the ring, defeated and dejected. He is bruised and angry. But its not the first time the US is in this state.

The US couldnt do shit in 1990 (after Soviet breakdown) and 1998 (After N-tests), then we are in a much better position now. World is no longer unipolar and I seriously doubt the US establishment want to lose its focus from its strategic rivalry in the South China Sea. It is infact this reason it decided to get out of Afghanistan to focus on its main front and this article proposes a complete antithesis to that. Getting sanctions on a soon to be the largest Islamic country in the world wouldnt seem good for the US if it plans to finger point China as the violater of Uigher rights.

In the worst case even if we face sanctions, our dependence on the US militarily is probably the lowest in our history. China is our ally. And we have enough food and resources to face any eventuality.

John Bolton writing in Washington Post means no more than pure shit considering the many other factors involved some of which I have listed above.

US had played all its cards, infact overplayed them, and we are still standing there alhamdullilah, to fare him the LAST KISS

 

[hussain0216]

So says the guy who claimed that the ANA were on the verge of defeating the Taliban and that america would NEVER EVER leave afghanistan...........

Yeah their next hope is since Pakistan beat them so brutally that Pakistan get sanctioned


To everyone else


There will be NO Iran or NK style sanctions upon Pakistan

Maybe their will be piecemeal sanctions on a few individuals but even that is doubtful


The reason is simple just because the Kabuli puppet regime has fallen dosent mean that in relation to Afghanistan Pakistan isn't needed to keep control of the situation

At the same time we have allies including China, even Russia on the security council with whom we see eye to eye on Afghanistan, so any moves in the U.N will be unlikely and more impossible



So that leaves individual sanctions from states

Now the EU will work with Pakistan to control the situation in Afghanistan already Pakistan has been central in helping remove EU nationals from AFg


That leaves the U.S who is bristling underneath at the humiliation of it all, now it is 50/50 with them I reckon though Pakistan can swing it, with all things considered their is still a mutual need

their biggest problem is that we are very much in the Chinese camp

But it would be difficult for Iran type sanctions on Pakistan because I think ISI covered it's tracks well
But don't count out sanctions on individuals which won't mean shit

Ultimately to control Al Qaeda and ISIS the relationship will need to endure therefore sanctions will be limited to non existent



regardless of the tears and bewilderment of the Indians and afghans

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Yeah their next hope is since Pakistan beat them so brutally that Pakistan get sanctioned


To everyone else


There will be NO Iran or NK style sanctions upon Pakistan

Maybe their will be piecemeal sanctions on a few individuals but even that is doubtful


The reason is simple just because the Kabuli puppet regime has fallen dosent mean that in relation to Afghanistan Pakistan isn't needed to keep control of the situation

At the same time we have allies including China, even Russia on the security council with whom we see eye to eye on Afghanistan, so any moves in the U.N will be unlikely and more impossible



So that leaves individual sanctions from states

Now the EU will work with Pakistan to control the situation in Afghanistan already Pakistan has been central in helping remove EU nationals from AFg


That leaves the U.S who is bristling underneath at the humiliation of it all, now it is 50/50 with them I reckon though Pakistan can swing it, with all things considered their is still a mutual need

their biggest problem is that we are very much in the Chinese camp

But it would be difficult for Iran type sanctions on Pakistan because I think ISI covered it's tracks well
But don't count out sanctions on individuals which won't mean shit

Ultimately to control Al Qaeda and ISIS the relationship will need to endure therefore sanctions will be limited to non existent



regardless of the tears and bewilderment of the Indians and afghans

Agreed. But even in a worst case scenario, sanctions will have 0 effect on Pakistan now. This is no longer 1990 or 1998. This is no longer a unipolar world. The world is a completely different place now.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Bolton is a useless, irrelevant loser. Even Trump kicked him out as a security adviser.

 

[hussain0216]

Agreed. But even in a worst case scenario, sanctions will have 0 effect on Pakistan now. This is no longer 1990 or 1998. This is no longer a unipolar world. The world is a completely different place now.

Our biggest problem is the U.S I believe is our biggest trade partner (I think)

 

[waz]

okay, if out of 100 people say 25-30 are not with you. But remaining majority, numerical majority is with you. that still counts as a large support base despite disgruntled individuals.

Most importantly the disagreement can be on menial things but if it came down to making their policy priority then all forms of disagreements will exit the building.

What exactly are they with him on what, if we take your numbers? He has no say in affairs now and is a voice. Trump booted him out!
Has the current administration said any such thing?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Our biggest problem is the U.S I believe is our biggest trade partner (I think)

We'll just need to find a new trading partner. It can be done.

 

[Path-Finder]

What exactly are they with him on what, if we take your numbers? He has no say in affairs now and is a voice. Trump booted him out!
Has the current administration said any such thing?

just look up this cretins past! that alone is nough. please see the bigger picture.

 

[Vortex]

Sanctions coming.

If sanctions are coming, then Pakistan should buy and transfer gold in Pakistan with all dollars we have in foreign banks, then later declare all debt we have null and void ( sorry I don’t know if i can use this expression) and start to think to officially export nuke tech and ready made device to Iran . It will despise israel which in return will put order USA to not sanction Pakistan…

oh and prepare ICBM