Operation Swift Retort Memorial at PAF base Sargodha

[SABRE]

They are not releasing as a goodwill gesture to Russians and to de escalate tensions with india.

I think neither is working now. Russian tactic of improving relations with Pakistan to lure India back into its fold seems to be working and India certainly is escalating the tensions further. I don't see any reason to hide such data unless there was an unfortunate event encountered during the operation (which I believe did not ... & ... Allah forbid) or PAF wants to keep its tactics and operational details secret.

 

[loanranger]

I think neither is working now. Russian tactic of improving relations with Pakistan to lure India back into its fold seems to be working and India certainly is escalating the tensions further. I don't see any reason to hide such data unless there was an unfortunate event encountered during the operation (which I believe did not ... & ... Allah forbid) or PAF wants to keep its tactics and operational details secret.

Yes we would love to see it. Maybe PAF wants indians to do the same if someone from our side goes down .....I say this for lack of any other better theory.

 

[PakShaheen79]

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PAF Mushaf is coming all loud with its participants.

Unable to understand why they are giving away so much info?
We are in a asymmetric numeric disadvantage against our adversary so why leaking info that give away information about elements which bring balance to this asymmetry through quality (of training and mission planning)? Is it hubris on our side?? We must stay humble. Raising that memorial should have been enough.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Hahahaha. 8+ kills btani the bhai ne


Seriously? Mention any instance where I did that. I am always against stupid claims and theories.

like this one F-16 went into IOK, F-16 score all 2 kills etc etc, most of your post are conspiracy theories and against the real facts

 

[PakShaheen79]

like this one F-16 went into IOK, F-16 score all 2 kills etc etc, most of your post are conspiracy theories and against the real facts

Go easy on him ... after all, we do have right to have our own Smaeer Joshi ....

 

[loanranger]

Unable to understand why they are giving away so much info?
We are in a asymmetric numeric disadvantage against our adversary so why leaking info that give away information about elements which bring balance to this asymmetry through quality (of training and mission planning)? Is it hubris on our side?? We must stay humble. Raising that memorial should have been enough.

Chill. No info that indians dont know was divulged nor any training tactic was divulged. Indians know what we use.

 

[SABRE]

Yes we would love to see it. Maybe PAF wants indians to do the same if someone from our side goes down .....I say this for lack of any other better theory.

I do not think Modi's India (or for that matter India under anyone in modern times) would treat our pilots well or holdback on the information of the shootdown. They are already beating drums on a kill that did not happen. What would they do if they actually get a kill in the future?

We only have theories upon theories on why PAF would not share Su-30MKI data. If true, it would be a morale booster for both the PAF (I do not think all the officers are in on the Su-30MKI kill data, so it would useful for their morale in future conflicts) and the nation.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Chill. No info that indians dont know was divulged nor any training tactic was divulged. Indians know what we use.

And, that might make them even more nervous!!!!

 

[Raider 21]

So Boyzez, looks like we have a Swift Retort Memorial with Dummy Tails of IAF jets shot down along with a long list of all those who participated in it.

Further digging of details up to the forum members.

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Seems it is made in Sargodha Air Field. Any body having access to the place please share some details about it

Unofficially furthest AMRAAM kill in the world.

 

[The Eagle]

Where is it lol

We do have all the IAF RT and it is safe. That includes a lot of information.... lot of information in-fact. Storm & panic in Indian formations (Air+CT) can be heard at the same time when both of those parties weren't able to hear each other. . . someone says, goosebumps situation even to hear the RT.

 

[SABRE]

Chill. No info that indians dont know was divulged nor any training tactic was divulged. Indians know what we use.

Exactly. & we also can't expect tactics and operations that were successful in one specific event to be successful in others. It is more or less an open secret now. Plus the number of theories and facts generated in forums like this one and even more importantly in the IAF conference rooms must have helped India identify the actual and perceived gaps and accordingly they must be plugging them to prevent such a lapse in the future. Additionally, PAF would be looking for different gaps and thus different operational and tactical planning.

 

[NA71]

They are with me. I will be making a thread soon and I will release them soon and then get loads of ratings.They are with PAF obviously. They are not releasing as a goodwill gesture to Russians and to de escalate tensions with india.

disagreed .... the situation has already been escalated to near Max. Their Army Chief says he is waiting for PM call to attack JK ...isn't escalated matter to highest level?......

and imagine if Indian had any real clue of downing F-16 would they kept it secrete like we are doing just for the sake of escalation ???? The would have pasted it on every wall in India.

 

[Falcon26]

We do have all the IAF RT and it is safe. That includes a lot of information.... lot of information in-fact. Storm & panic in Indian formations (Air+CT) can be heard at the same time when both of those parties weren't able to hear each other. . . someone says, goosebumps situation even to hear the RT.

These stuff should be released to knock some sense into the marauding Hindu nationalists. By their own admission, Abdhinonedone couldn’t hear his ground controller. The rest of his team fled away and deserted him. He fell into a trap like a lamb. He’s now celebrated by his glory-deficient nation as a lion.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

These stuff should be released to knock some sense into the marauding Hindu nationalists. By their own admission, Abdhinonedone couldn’t hear his ground controller

They will convert it into their own version.

 

[baqai]

well one claim of @TheTallGuy is now confirmed, he posted way back along with few others like @airomerix

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/thre...d-the-su-30-kill.625146/page-15#post-11595298