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Official Wishlist of Evolutionary Technologies for India's 5th Gen AMCA

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If the specialised team led by Indian aerospace scientist Dr AK Ghosh achieves what it has set out to (a huge IF, with all due respect), then one of the most dramatic aspects of India's concept fifth generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) will be its cockpit and man-machine interface. For starters, unlike the cluttered, resoundingly less-than-fourth-generation cockpit of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA Tejas), the AMCA cockpit could have a panoramic active-matrix display. Next, switches, bezels and keypads could be replaced with touch screen interfaces and voice commands. Finally, what the team wants is for the AMCA pilot to have a helmet-mounted display system that allows the jettisoning of a HUD from the AMCA cockpit altogether. Some pretty hardcore stuff. But the idea is this -- if India is building its own fifth generation fighter aircraft (not to be confused with the Indo-Russian FGFA/PAK-FA), and believes it can deliver, then aim for the damn stars. I've got my hands on AMCA documents that provide the first detailed view of just how ambitious the programme actually is. Let me run you through some of them.

The AMCA team has already asked private industry in the country to explore the feasibility of creating primary panoramic displays and other avionics displays that would befit a fifth generation cockpit environment. But the cockpit is just one of an ambitious official technology wishlist for the AMCA.

The envisaged changes begin at the very basic -- system architecture -- and look towards a triplex fly-by-light electro-optic architecture with fiber optic links for signal and data communications, unlike the electric links on the Tejas platform. And unlike centralized architecture on the Tejas, the AMCA proposes to sport a distributed architecture with smart sub-systems. Similarly, unlike the LCA's centralised digital flight control computer (DFCC), the AMCA could have a distributed system with smart remote units for data communication with sensors and actuators, a system that will necessitate much faster on-board processors.

Next come sensors. The mechanical gyros and accelerometers on the Tejas will need to evolve on the AMCA into fiber optic gyros, ring laser gyros and MEMS gyros. The pressure probes and vanes that make up the air-data sensors will evolve into an optical and flush air data system, and position sensors will be linear/rotary optical encoders. Significantly, actuators -- currently electro-hydraulic/direct drive -- could be electro-hydrostatic to accrue substantive weight savings on the AMCA. Sensor fusion for an overarching situation picture goes without saying.

The AMCA could feature highly evolved integrated control laws for flight, propulsion, braking, nose wheel steer and fuel management and adaptive neural networks for fault detection, identification and control law reconfiguration.

Unlike the Tejas, which features an avionics systems architecture based on functionality-based individual computer systems connected on MIL-STD-1553B buses and RS 422 links, the AMCA's avionics systems architecture will feature a central computational system connected internally and externally on an optic fiber channel by means of multiport connectivity switching modules. In such a system, functionality will be mapped on resourcred optimally and reallocated when faults occur. At least, that's the idea. Data communications on the AMCA's processing modules will be through a high-speed fiber channel bus, IEEE-1394B-STD. The connectivities will be switched by means of a multiport switching matrix, with data speeds of 400MB/second.

The AMCA could have integrated radio naviation systems, where all functions earlier done by analogue circuits will be shifted onto the shoulders of digital processors. Communication system will be based on software radio ranging from UHF to K band, with data links for digital data/voice data and video.

Algorithms will evolve substantially too. While the Tejas features almost no decision aid, the AMCA pilot could have at his command the ability to plan attack strategies, avoid strategies, retreat strategies and evasive strategies for himself and his buddies. Limited fault recording and limited coverage in the maintenance and diagnostics algorithms on the LCA will evolve into far more advanced ones allowing extensive coverage.

This is an official technology wishlist for the AMCA. If it sounds far-fetched and overreaching -- and it well may -- it still provides a glimpse into what the programme is looking at for what will undoubtedly be India's most ambitious indigenous aerospace venture. Before I forget, here's a nice little slide illustrating the AMCA's envisaged operational envelope (subject of course to change).

Livefist - Indian Defence & Aerospace: EXCLUSIVE: Official Wishlist of Evolutionary Technologies for India's 5thGen AMCA
 
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Any idea how they look forward to fulfill this "Wishlist".?
 
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May be we can see it done when our grand kids are going to have kids.
 
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Well dnt think India can develop this advance technology alone


Engine : ToT of GE 414 for Tejas2, ToT of EF 200 for EF(if selected), ToT of Pak-FA/FGFA engine is equal to Kaveri for AMCA

Same goes for other like RADAR, Aviations and Missile etc
And our experience of LCA project.
 
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Well dnt think India can develop this advance technology alone


Engine : ToT of GE 414 for Tejas2, ToT of EF 200 for EF(if selected), ToT of Pak-FA/FGFA engine is equal to Kaveri for AMCA

Same goes for other like RADAR, Aviations and Missile etc
And our experience of LCA project.

If we need it fast and for real join with the Mig's team with their effort on the 5th gen.. simple and good. If we can rope in Jpan or Israel .. the better.
 
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If we need it fast and for real join with the Mig's team with their effort on the 5th gen.. simple and good. If we can rope in Jpan or Israel .. the better.

I think thts much batter idea ... for individual components we can start JV with separate countries

For Engine : Russia
For Radar : Either Israel or Russia or Both
For Aviation : France or Israel
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India should Include some of these features

The future system will have to counter adversaries equipped with next generation advanced electronic attack, sophisticated integrated air defense systems, passive detection, integrated self-protection, directed energy weapons, and cyber attack capabilities. It must be able to operate in the anti-access/area-denial environment that will exist in the 2030-2050 timeframe.

Some of the technologies the India gov wants to know more about include non-kinetic weapons, secondary power generation, heat rejection and optionally manned systems
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Much of these tech is already avilable ,like voice command in EF 2000, ILSS DRDO ,THEN SAMTEL - DRDO JV already working for touchscreen MFD..Radar is already here and will be in tejas mk 2 by 2014onwards... But still i need to see where we going to have engine and triplex fibreoptics tech
 
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Woa!! That's a pretty tight wishlist IAF has got there! Looks like they're aiming to have a combination of F-35 and Su-35BM in one fighter. It is possible considering that we have an advanced electronic industry and infrastructure but this will be the first time we are going to try this out in a fighter.

To those who are considering foreign involvement, I think UAC from Russia will be selected for consultancy. The aim of AMCA is to go 100% Indian with full force. Because if this project fructifies, then it will seal off our need to buy air force stuff in the future.

If AMCA's plan was to get into a JV, we would have pulled Israel into the project 2 years back itself. There was some word going around about their Lavi fighter director being interested in teaming up with either Russia and/or us instead of buying too many F-35 fighters.
 
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I highly doubt India will be able to produce such a plane even in the next five decades. After the colossal failure of Kevari, Indian credibility in Indigenous manufacturing of aircraft has been severely damaged..

It seems Indian ambitions are far greater than they are capable of. I would like to see and Indigenous Tejas first... maybe in the next 5 years? and then the MCA ..perhaps 10-15 years?

Only then will one be able to believe or even comprehend the Idea of India Producing a 5th Gen fighter on its own. As of Today it sure is Far fetched. India would have to be in the United States' shoes in order to even think about such a venture let alone producing it.. but its not. SO India should stop behaving like a super power.

By dreaming like America, doing things like America and by trying to immitate everything that a Super Power does.. You CANT BECOME ONE.

However I would like the Indian people to blindly believe their Government like they always do and stay lost in this dream.. You guys already know what your gov is gonna do in the end.. let u down.. They only put these news up for their peoples' moral to stay up..

As of today India is still struggling with Tejas. This is a wishlist. YOU GUYS WIL ACTUALLY HAVE TO FIND A GENIE T FULFILL IT LOL.
 
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How many of the people who make fun of AMCA actually understand the technical terms that have been used in the article?

DO you ppl believe that DRDO just listed them because it would make a good power point presentation?

I feel DRDO knows what it is talking about.

Dont go on LCA, the future is going to be different especially since US has lifted embargoes against multiple Indian defense organizations.
 
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I highly doubt India will be able to produce such a plane even in the next five decades. After the colossal failure of Kevari, Indian credibility in Indigenous manufacturing of aircraft has been severely damaged..

It seems Indian ambitions are far greater than they are capable of. I would like to see and Indigenous Tejas first... maybe in the next 5 years? and then the MCA ..perhaps 10-15 years?

Only then will one be able to believe or even comprehend the Idea of India Producing a 5th Gen fighter on its own. As of Today it sure is Far fetched. India would have to be in the United States' shoes in order to even think about such a venture let alone producing it.. but its not. SO India should stop behaving like a super power.

By dreaming like America, doing things like America and by trying to immitate everything that a Super Power does.. You CANT BECOME ONE.

However I would like the Indian people to blindly believe their Government like they always do and stay lost in this dream.. You guys already know what your gov is gonna do in the end.. let u down.. They only put these news up for their peoples' moral to stay up..

As of today India is still struggling with Tejas. This is a wishlist. YOU GUYS WIL ACTUALLY HAVE TO FIND A GENIE T FULFILL IT LOL.

For your Kind Information LCA Tejas will be inducted into air force from next year
 
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