Obama whining a result of US decline

[Zsari]

Sure it does, but the US economy is not in decline, it's actually beginning to rev back up again. It's the Chinese economy that's in decline as we see your growth continue to drop year by year. China also faces an upcoming demographic crisis which will shrink the workforce, and China will have the oldest population in the world by 2030, which puts an immense burden on your health and social programs. My point was that China will never be able to exceed the power of the US military. Money is just one factor in the grand scheme of things. We have the experience, the atmosphere that cultivates innovation and creativity, and the know how to further scientific and technological advancement. China has nothing that can compete with an agency like DARPA. It is agencies like DARPA and our world class universities and defense companies that will always give us the edge.

You know in today's world, a MNC can open a research facility in Singapore hiring German scientists from American Universities, all those claim of exclusivity to innovation and creativity are but intoxicating fallacies. Do you really believe DARPA like the black budget is unique to the US?

Like I've already said, the decline and rise of one's economy can be seen in the overall percentage of global GDP a nation accounts for, and long term trend of a declining US & rising China has been pretty steady with no fundamental shift in sight. As far as demographic are concerned, China can and have been macro-managing its population through family planning policy, an advantage no other state enjoys, thus can be compared to. If you look at the base, Chinese demography is very stable, its only the generations before the implementation of one-child policy that's bloated, which will pass over in 20-30 years of time. Chinese retirement age is currently 60 for men and 50 for woman, that's plenty of room to adjust to achieve a desirable labor force. All those focus on China's demography are only telling you half of the story.

 

[F-22Raptor]

You know in today's world, a MNC can open a research facility in Singapore hiring German scientists from American Universities, all those claim of exclusivity to innovation and creativity are but intoxicating fallacies. Do you really believe DARPA like the black budget is unique to the US?

Like I've already said, the decline and rise of one's economy can be seen in the overall percentage of global GDP a nation accounts for, and long term trend of a declining US & rising China has been pretty steady with no fundamental shift in sight. As far as demographic are concerned, China can and have been macro-managing its population through family planning policy, an advantage no other state enjoys, thus can be compared to. If you look at the base, Chinese demography is very stable, its only the generations before the implementation of one-child policy that's bloated, which will pass over in 20-30 years of time. Chinese retirement age is currently 60 for men and 50 for woman, that's plenty of room to adjust to achieve a desirable labor force. All those focus on China's demography are only telling you half of the story.

I never said innovation was exclusive to the US. It's easy to open a research facility, but much harder to replicate the success an agency like DARPA has had. The US is at the forefront of science, technology, medicine, higher education, and have been for years. That's not going to change, regardless of if someone opens a research facility in Singapore.

An as I've said before, overall GDP is just one of many factors to consider in a nations power. US growth is trending upwards in the coming years, while China's is down. China might pass US overall GDP, but still has 1.3 billion people to care for, not to mention the US standard of living is much higher.

 

[55100864]

I never said innovation was exclusive to the US. It's easy to open a research facility, but much harder to replicate the success an agency like DARPA has had. The US is at the forefront of science, technology, medicine, higher education, and have been for years. That's not going to change, regardless of if someone opens a research facility in Singapore.

An as I've said before, overall GDP is just one of many factors to consider in a nations power. US growth is trending upwards in the coming years, while China's is down. China might pass US overall GDP, but still has 1.3 billion people to care for, not to mention the US standard of living is much higher.

the US soft power u claimed is not particularly American, but western culture in general. the real american culture people talks about are like hip-pop, Mcdonald，Hollywood，etc...the so called junk culture, but i agree that even the most anti-US people on this planet like to watch hollywood movies then talk shits about US, everyone like the visual effect of hollywood movies and thats it. and the reason why the west culture is so dominate is because the past colonial histories that made english a international language, yes it will be impossible for any countries to do that again in modern world, but i believe china will eventually on a par US in term of soft power, may take a century but doesn't matter.

 

[gambit]

Yes, U.S. economy is recovering, that is true. But seriously you have very little chance to recover your manufacturing industry, unless you start a socialism revolution to topple down the rule of Wall street...And any reasonable people would never say "never" so assertively, especially when there is such a clear trend to forecast the future.

But seriously, you do not know what you are talking about...

China vs. the U.S.: It's Just as Cheap to Make Goods in the USA - Businessweek

As Chinese labor costs rise, American productivity improves, and U.S. energy expenses fall, the difference in manufacturing costs between China and the U.S. has narrowed to such a degree that it’s almost negligible. For every dollar required to manufacture in the U.S., it now costs 96¢ to manufacture in China, before considering the cost of transportation to the U.S. and other factors. For many companies, that’s hardly worth it when product quality, intellectual property rights, and long-distance supply chain issues are added to the equation.

Do you know of the Toyota full size pick-up truck model Tacoma line ? That line is designed, styled, and manufacture pretty much exclusively for the North American market: US and Canada. The size of this vehicle is not practical in Asia and most of Europe. BMW have a 5 km/sq plant in Kentucky. Volkswagen have a similar size plant in Tennessee.

How many US semiconductor plants can you count here ?

List of semiconductor fabrication plants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whatever it is that you are using to 'forecast' US economic conditions, is it from reading tea leaves or cracked animal bones ? Palmistry ? What ?

the US soft power u claimed is not particularly American, but west culture in general. the real american culture people talks about are like hip-pop, Mcdonald，Hollywood，etc...the so called junk culture, but i agree that even the most anti-US people on this planet like to watch hollywood movies then talk shits about US, everyone like the visual effect of hollywood movies and thats it. and the reason why the west culture is so dominate is because the past colonial histories that made english a international language, yes it will be impossible for any countries to do that again in modern world, but i believe china will eventually on a par US in term of soft power, may take a century but doesn't matter.

Of course it is particularly American, and it goes deeper into China than you realize. How popular is Expert Detective Heng Te in mainland China ?

 

[xunzi]

No, I'm absolutely right. Money alone will not be able to overcome US preeminence. Money alone cannot foster innovation and the creativity of the individual. Chinas current education system and environment does not support questioning, creativity, and abstract thought. It's why you see so many Chinese wanting to study in our universities. I find it interesting that you believe increasing hard power earns you extra allies. All we hear about is China's "rise", and yet with that "rise" China continues to push its neighbors into the arms of the United States. China has no influential allies to speak of, and let me be clear, business partners do NOT equal allies. Economically speaking, the US will remain a superpower, regardless of China having a higher GDP. China won't pass the US scientifically, technologically, or militarily. You can continue to delude yourself all you want, it ultimately won't change the facts. It also gives me a chuckle that this comes from an American Chinese wannabe.

Your greatest asset is the ability to attract talent around the world to come to America, operated with world class laboratory in an organized institutional system. This, I admit, would be hard for any country or china to replicate because we work in a different world than you do. You are a loose multicultural society while we are a close-knit society. With that said, you are wrong. Creativity and innovation have to do with living condition, prosperity, educational knowledge. The pre-Ming dynasties were one of the most innovative kingdom in the world. There is no reason we cannot achieve the same innovative spirit like you can. After all, we have a smart population. Our IQ are high and our kids constantly winning math and physics Olympiad. If we have the right institution and system in place, we can foster those homegrown talent that we have. You have to remember, we have limit world class universities and our college entrance exam is a lot harder than SAT. Those that fail or those with rich family will choose to go the US to study.

My friend, the reason you have allies is because you are willing to sign "mutual defense treaty" with them.

But seriously, you do not know what you are talking about...

China vs. the U.S.: It's Just as Cheap to Make Goods in the USA - Businessweek

Do you know of the Toyota full size pick-up truck model Tacoma line ? That line is designed, styled, and manufacture pretty much exclusively for the North American market: US and Canada. The size of this vehicle is not practical in Asia and most of Europe. BMW have a 5 km/sq plant in Kentucky. Volkswagen have a similar size plant in Tennessee.

How many US semiconductor plants can you count here ?

List of semiconductor fabrication plants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whatever it is that you are using to 'forecast' US economic conditions, is it from reading tea leaves or cracked animal bones ? Palmistry ? What ?


Of course it is particularly American, and it goes deeper into China than you realize. How popular is Expert Detective Heng Te in mainland China ?

My friend, you are a joke. LOL This lame *** study is very simplistic in their methodology. The whole cost of manufacturing depends on a lot of factors. Easy access to willing labor, transportation, supply chain concentration, and among others are consideration. It's the same reason why Window OS has such large user base despite other OS like Chrome/IOS/Linus/etc can achieve the same feature and function. It has to do with the ecosystem. China manufacturing ecosystem is just unbelievable. We have everything that needed to get the job done in an efficient matter. Asking American to accept low paying job, 16 hours a day is a joke. You think lazy American would accept that? LOL

 

[Viet]

Congrats to our Chinese huaqui Mr. Luong.

he will never miss Vietnam after all that is why his family left. They and millions huaqui knew that Vietcong will bring economic disaster and poverty. Those who left had good hindsight.

Yes, and Xi Jinping is vietnamese and Mao Zedong came from India. You are a typical chinese clown.

No, he is american of viet descent. Not chinese or hua.

Many of us have migrated to other countries not only because of political reason but economic hardship at home. The collapse of vietnamese economy following the wars against china and cambodia, plus american economic sanction was the primary cause for the millions of vietnamese refugees.

It is china that caused the second wave of refugees and brought hardship to vietnam.

 

[Jlaw]

Yes, and Xi Jinping is vietnamese and Mao Zedong came from India.
You are a typical chinese clown.

No, he is american of viet descent. Not chinese or hua.

Many of us have migrated to other countries not only because of political reason but economic hardship at home. The collapse of vietnamese economy following the wars against china and cambodia, plus american economic sanction was the primary cause for the millions of vietnamese refugees.

It is china that brought hardship to vietnam.

I won't be surprise if that is in your school textbook.

 

[Viet]

lol, China has been producing the nukes for 15 years back in 1979, surely over hundred nukes.

Even NK can produce 10 nukes per years.

Analyses - North Korea's Nuclear Threat | Kim's Nuclear Gamble | FRONTLINE | PBS

That shows you have zero influence on north korea. They are developing nuclear weapons and you are powerless to stop them.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Wiki show that China only had nuke bomb test underground before 1979, not nuke warhead with DF-4 that could reach to Moscow.

Even a noob can edit Wiki and write write whatever he wants.

China's first H-bomb in 1967 was 3300kt of yield, while today's NK is still struggling to make a nuke of 3kt of yield.

There is no comparison, even Vietnam today is trying to make nuke, you can't even achieve what China has done in 1967, not even close.

 

[NiceGuy]

That shows you have zero influence on north korea. They are developing nuclear weapons and you are powerless to stop them.

Yeah, US must let NK unify Korea, and Im sure that our great leader Kim Jong UN will point all nuke warhead to China immediately

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yeah, US must let NK unify Korea, and Im sure that our great leader Kim Jong UN will point all nuke warhead to China immediately

It is a suicidal attack, his country will be wiped out before he can even fire one of his nuclear firecrackers.

 

[NiceGuy]

Even a noob can edit Wiki and write write whatever he wants.

China's first H-bomb in 1967 was 3300kt of yield, while today's NK still struggling to make a nuke of 3kt of yield.

There is no comparison, even Vietnam today is trying to make nuke, you can't even achieve what China has done in 1967, not even close.

We r discussing abt why US history record that Mr. Deng bowed down and begged for US's protection.

In 1979, there was No report show that China could put warhead into DF-4 to pose a threat to Moscow while Soviet had a strong anti-ICBM system

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

That shows you have zero influence on north korea. They are developing nuclear weapons and you are powerless to stop them.

They have defied Hu Jintao, meanwhile they think they can also do the same to Xi Jinping, not so easy.

China has just cut their oil supply and makes them to pay the price for defying China.

 

[NiceGuy]

It is a suicidal attack, his country will be wiped out before he can even fire one of his nuclear firecrackers.

U never know what great leader Kim Jong UN can do when he unify Korea. Mr. Obama is a smart guy, he know when USA should support NK to pose a great threat to China

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

We r discussing abt why US history record that Mr. Deng bowed down and begged for US's protection.

In 1979, there was No report show that China could put warhead into DF-4 to pose a threat to Moscow while Soviet had a strong anti-ICBM system

Why would we need the nuclear umbrella from the US?

Do you think that the US would start a nuclear war with USSR just for the behalf of China? We were not even their ally.

USSR can nuclearly annihilate China, but what would be the cost? Losing all her major cities and industrial bases, meanwhile the USA would win without firing a bullet.

Even the Soviet hawkish leaders were not insane like you Vietcong keyboard warriors.

DF-4 can carry a single nuclear warhead between 1000-3000kt.

Here comes a source more reliable than the Wikipedia.

DF-4 (CSS-3) | Missile ThreatMissile Threat