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If there was an inferiority complex, it was because the observers came to the conclusion that China was an inferior country compared to the barbarians.

The difference between the law and the knife is that the law at least have a moral foundation to it. Not merely a component, but a foundation upon which the law can claim some measure of respectability and legitimacy for the law's existence. If you question the law, then by only one degree of separation you questioned that moral foundation. If you question that moral foundation, then tacitly you are suspicious of the moral persuasion that compelled anyone to support the insertion of the law into the social contract that exists between you and society. The bottom line here is that you have the freedom to challenge society and government.

You cannot say the same for the knife, which is an instrument of the thug while the law is a method for the civilized person. The moral component, not foundation, if any exist, it exist for the benefits of the thug. The knife does not persuade but forces. If you challenge the wielder, you risk losing the most valuable thing you own, your life. Next valuable thing is your liberty. Under the law, if the government rejects your challenge and must punish you because of trespass, the government must call upon another institution for that purpose -- law enforcement. Under the knife, the thug will just simply stabs you with it. The law is inefficient but the knife is very efficient.
Yes, we have lost many war during those period, our self-confidence/ego is much stunned, even devastated. We called it the century of humiliation.

Many foreign nations ganged up on us, robbed us of our property by forcing us to sign treaty and lecturing us on so-called "international law". Most of us are ignorant of the west. We have to accept what the westerner or those who went to the west told us as the truth.

Only after much suffering later that we learned it is more about "knife" as you put it than about law.

It is obvious that we are technologically and therefore our "knife" is inferior. Therefore we have to learn and adapt to the new realities. We have to try new things and find a way to protect ourselves.

You see, gone are the days when westerner can sit on their moral high horse to lecture us and expect us to just take their word for it and dutifully obey.

We have learnt from our painful and humiliating history delivered by the West+Japan, we have a much bigger "knife" now.

Thanks to Mao.
Mao and his communist thugs used the knife, not any sort of moral argument, to unify China. The history of communism, post WW II have always been focused on the knife, from Europe to Asia to the Americas. Right now, it is easy for you to simply say: 'Mao unified China.' It is easy because you are now the beneficiary of that effort. Do not interpret the word 'beneficiary' to mean the method used was morally positive. That word simply mean YOU, a descendant of a generation, received the results of their work. You have been insulated from the atrocities committed by the Chinese communists, first in the name of Marxism then to commit all of China under communism, by time and media control. That insulation allows you to pretty much excuse Mao by way of: The end justifies the means. You never suffered those means but as a beneficiary of the results, which cannot be undone, the end justifies the means is much more palatable in the abstract, whereas compares to others more attuned to the moral foundations of many things, the end justifies the means is an utmost horror that should never be allowed to physically manifest.

It is a rather sad commentary for you and the other Chinese nationalists on this forum, that time and propaganda conditioned all of you to be the next generation of knife wielders.
If your understanding on how the CCP won the civil war over KMT is by "knife" alone, then I would say your understanding would fall on the simplistic side.

KMT is no saint, nor is all the dictators that American support. There are millions that suffered under them as well.

You should re-read all those things that you wrote, and reflect on what America did during those years. American is not much less a knife-wielder than the Soviet camp.
Suuuuuure you do...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/25/world/europe/25marx.html?_r=0

That article is not even 10 yrs old. That woman in the article and all of the Chinese members on this forum seems to be cut from the same intellectual cloth. All of you seems to believe that if a method achieved a goal, then logically that method is the only tool possible.

Your God (not god) is waiting in Trier, Germany, for your obligatory pilgrimage. Do not forget to hone your knife before you leave.
What the woman did is just stating historical fact as she see it.

KMT did screwed up, and looking at the history of all the democratic developing countries including India today, who can say for certain that she is definitely wrong.
 
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You see, gone are the days when westerner can sit on their moral high horse to lecture us and expect us to just take their word for it and dutifully obey.

Excellent analysis.

That's exactly that which puts China hating Westerners and their lackeys into a frenzy of China-smearing --- as noticed on this forum and across the mainstream Western media.

China should be more proactive.

For example, why does not the Ministry of Foreign Affairs release a statement, citing China's concern of state violation of human rights in the US, in light of the mass riots in the state of Missouri?

Putting them on defensive is the best offense.
 
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Yes, we have lost many war during those period, our self-confidence/ego is much stunned, even devastated. We called it the century of humiliation.

Many foreign nations ganged up on us, robbed us of our property by forcing us to sign treaty and lecturing us on so-called "international law". Most of us are ignorant of the west. We have to accept what the westerner or those who went to the west told us as the truth.

Only after much suffering later that we learned it is more about "knife" as you put it than about law.

It is obvious that we are technologically and therefore our "knife" is inferior. Therefore we have to learn and adapt to the new realities. We have to try new things and find a way to protect ourselves.

You see, gone are the days when westerner can sit on their moral high horse to lecture us and expect us to just take their word for it and dutifully obey.

We have learnt from our painful and humiliating history delivered by the West+Japan, we have a much bigger "knife" now.

Thanks to Mao.

If your understanding on how the CCP won the civil war over KMT is by "knife" alone, then I would say your understanding would fall on the simplistic side.

KMT is no saint, nor is all the dictators that American support. There are millions that suffered under them as well.

You should re-read all those things that you wrote, and reflect on what America did during those years. American is not much less a knife-wielder than the Soviet camp.

What the woman did is just stating historical fact as she see it.

KMT did screwed up, and looking at the history of all the democratic developing countries including India today, who can say for certain that she is definitely wrong.
You have completely misunderstood the law and knife analogy. No surprises there.

The analogy was meant to be that Marxism has never been democratically chosen by a people and communism, which is the political expression of Marxism, have never been successful at competing against the democracy-capitalism duo for the prosperity of a people over the long run.

Marxism-communism = Fail.
Democracy-capitalism = Success.

Over and over, in Asia, Europe, and the Americas, the communists have used the knife to make Marxism politically dominant and continues to use the knife, in thuggish ways, to keep Marxism in power.

I was not talking about Mao vs Chiang but about Mao and the Chinese communists using the force against the Chinese people. Some nominally democratic-capitalist countries may and have failed. But in contrast against those 'some', ALL of the Marxist-communist countries have failed. If this world have never been exposed to democracy and capitalism, then you have credible arguments for what Mao did.

Neither Taiwan nor South Korea were paragons of democracy, but at least they have mechanisms, no matter how much pretense they claimed to be democratic while acted like thugs, that eventually steered the countries away from dictatorships. All four countries: China, Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea, were essentially created or re-created post WW II. But while they were nominally dictatorships in the beginning, look at Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea today. They sped past your China. In the decades since all four of you Asian countries came to be, your China continued to be thuggish while the other three became law abiding countries.

The law and knife analogy was about the people, as in how ideas are presented to them or imposed upon them, not about parties going against each other. But you go on cheering how much of a thug China can be in Asia. The other Asian countries are preparing for the day when China either back down or be put down.

Excellent analysis.
It was ? :rolleyes:

For example, why does not the Ministry of Foreign Affairs release a statement, citing China's concern of state violation of human rights in the US, in light of the mass riots in the state of Missouri?
Because the Ministry know that your China is a hundred times worse.
 
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You have completely misunderstood the law and knife analogy. No surprises there.

The analogy was meant to be that Marxism has never been democratically chosen by a people and communism, which is the political expression of Marxism, have never been successful at competing against the democracy-capitalism duo for the prosperity of a people over the long run.

Marxism-communism = Fail.
Democracy-capitalism = Success.

Over and over, in Asia, Europe, and the Americas, the communists have used the knife to make Marxism politically dominant and continues to use the knife, in thuggish ways, to keep Marxism in power.

I was not talking about Mao vs Chiang but about Mao and the Chinese communists using the force against the Chinese people. Some nominally democratic-capitalist countries may and have failed. But in contrast against those 'some', ALL of the Marxist-communist countries have failed. If this world have never been exposed to democracy and capitalism, then you have credible arguments for what Mao did.

Too much ideological dogmatism. Are you saying power through revolution are all illegitimate? The Chinese revolution has little to do communism but rather just another peasant rebellion in a long line of peasant rebellions throughout the Chinese history. Communism is merely an ideology that's used to motivate the mass, not the cause or the result of the revolution. What Mao has established has very little to do with communism but rather another dynasty again in a long line of dynasties throughout the Chinese history. What makes most Chinese proud today is this new dynasty is reclaiming the lost glory that hasn't seen in China for almost a millennium, and hence the recognition of Mao's contribution.
 
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You have completely misunderstood the law and knife analogy. No surprises there.

The analogy was meant to be that Marxism has never been democratically chosen by a people and communism, which is the political expression of Marxism, have never been successful at competing against the democracy-capitalism duo for the prosperity of a people over the long run.

Marxism-communism = Fail.
Democracy-capitalism = Success.
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Funny old man, believe Marxism-communism fail is just like believe AK-47 fail when M-16 riffle success when everyone know M-16 is a big fail in real battle such as VN war :pop:

Soviet collapsed just bcz they lacked of economic experience when US and the West have good economic experience in hundred years.

Comrade Putin is trying to revive communist bloc now, lets see the West can survive in this winter without oil supply from Russia or not.
 
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Funny old man, believe Marxism-communism fail is just like believe AK-47 fail when M-16 riffle success when everyone know M-16 is a big fail in real battle such as VN war :pop:

Soviet collapsed just bcz they lacked of economic experience when US and the West have good economic experience in hundred years.

Comrade Putin is trying to revive communist bloc now, lets see the West can survive in this winter without oil supply from Russia or not.

lol, your own PM has already betrayed the communism by calling to privatize all the SOEs, so funny that you still call yourself communist. :coffee:

Vietnam PM urges speed on SOE privatization | Politics | Thanh Nien Daily
 
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