Obama whining a result of US decline

[mike2000]

Guy is uber stupid wasting his time on middle east while ignoring a country like india completely.........bush was stupid but he was very pro india.

This guy is just a good orator,otherwise pretty stupid

so because the U.S president hasnt paid enough attention to India , you consider him stupid? Wow.
Last time i checked India is not the center of the world Bro. As for Obama i think he has a point, The U.S being a superpower, everybody in this world expect it to act everywhere when there is trouble and even when there isnt. Just look at how you are complaining of the U.S not paying enough attention to your country.lol You cant expect the U.S to be everywhere at the same time. even though i understand the U.S is the world sole super power. But that doesnt means the U.S is omi potent/omi present.lol
As for the chinese memeber who posted this. The U.S is not in decline, it has never be, its just that other emerging countries led by China are rising so fast it seems the U.S is in decline, however they are not. China can talk about U.S decline or criticize the U.S now , but when they themselves attain U.S strength in a few decades from now, im sure they will understand how hard it is to be so big/be a superpower. with great power comes great responsiblities. China will have to accept this as well whether they like it or not, then we will see if they will still be saying making the same comments they are making now.
But for now,the U.S is still by far the most influential/powerful country on this planet. It sure will take alot for any country to match/overtake that. However, im sure China will overtake the U.S economically at some point(due to Chinas sheer size/relative low GDP per capital which gives them a huge room for growth). But it will take more than a bigger GDP to displaced U.S influence/military/technological and cultural superioity in this world.

 

[Aepsilons]

@mike2000 , well said. Did you happen to read your fellow Euro citizen @Götterdämmerung 's position? He advocates the disintegration of NATO et al. What do you think about that?

 

[he-man]

so because the U.S president hasnt paid enough attention to India , you consider him stupid? Wow.
Last time i checked India is not the center of the world Bro. As for Obama i think he has a point, The U.S being a superpower, everybody in this world expect it to act everywhere when there is trouble and even when there isnt. Just look at how you are complaining of the U.S not paying enough attention to your country.lol You cant expect the U.S to be everywhere at the same time. even though i understand the U.S is the world sole super power. But that doesnt means the U.S is omi potent/omi present.lol
As for the chinese memeber who posted this. The U.S is not in decline, it has never be, its just that other emerging countries led by China are rising so fast it seems the U.S is in decline, however they are not. China can talk about U.S decline or criticize the U.S now , but when they themselves attain U.S strength in a few decades from now, im sure they will understand how hard it is to be so big/be a superpower. with great power comes great responsiblities. China will have to accept this as well whether they like it or not, then we will see if they will still be saying making the same comments they are making now.
But for now,the U.S is still by far the most influential/powerful country on this planet. It sure will take alot for any country to match/overtake that. However, im sure China will overtake the U.S economically at some point(due to Chinas sheer size/relative low GDP per capital which gives them a huge room for growth). But it will take more than a bigger GDP to displaced U.S influence/military/technological and cultural superioity in this world.

I was simply making a point shared by many people.
Indeed india is much more imp than middle east and next 20 years will prove this,,,everyone knows this.

On america being on decline,,,its just a propaganda nothing else.

I agree. He is a community organizer by trade, he has very limited understanding of international relations and foreign affairs.

Alas,...Democrats. What do we expect?

Bush was probably the most stupid president of all times,,,but he was good for india(am being greedy here)

 

[Aepsilons]

Despite what people think, my opinion of President G. W Bush is very positive. First and foremost, I am a firm Japanese nationalist, I believe in the necessity of realizing Japanese interests --military, economic and political. One of the better Prime Ministers that sat on the helm was Koizumi Junichiro, who had engineered the visage of Japanese greater interaction with neighbors in South East Asia, South Asia, Latin America. George W. Bush supported Japanese Government's visage. Koizumi was in charge of the modernization of the Japanese Self Defense Force, which was later enhanced upon by Abe Shinzo. The progression we are at now, in terms of Japan's collective self defense posture, and a more enhanced cooperative agreements with Philippines, Vietnam, Australia, United Kingdom, France, Germany, Israel -- was linked to the robust "overseas" directive that was seen under Koizumi. Abe merely took advantage of the developments.

In the end, I am for regional stability, but before anything, I am always going to support (100%) all policies that will benefit Japan.

 

[mike2000]

I was simply making a point shared by many people.
Indeed india is much more imp than middle east and next 20 years will prove this,,,everyone knows this.

On america being on decline,,,its just a propaganda nothing else.



Bush was probably the most stupid president of all times,,,but he was good for india(am being greedy here)

Well India might be important, But so is the middle east where the U.S has way more interests than in India presently. Also the middle east is in crisis, reason why the U.S is very much involved than it will otherwise had been(though they are also to blame for most of these crisis.IMO).
As for Obama, well at least he recognised that China is the U.S greatest upcoming Rival, reason why he initated the Asian pivot. which is a region president Bush completely ignored during his tenure as president to the dismaycomplains of many Asian countries(just like you are complaining now.lol) . However due to the crisis in the middle east and eastern Europe(Ukraine), it is hard for the U.S to really focus on its greatest upcoming rival China. As for India, the U.S at least sent its secretary of state recently, so they are not neglecting you as much as you think. The U.S understands that India is too big already/selfish of its sovereignty to be an ally(code name for subordinate/junior partner), coupled with the fact that India is still closed to Business/FDI/unlike even authoritarian communist China. The U.S has way way way more trade with China than India, in fact it seems the U.S has even more trade with south korea than India.Also India is much closer to Russia than any other country. So its kind of difficullt for the U.S to pull India to its side or attach so much importance to India since the U.S knows it doesnt have much interests with India, apart from their wariness of China, apart from that they dont have much in common.

 

[F-22Raptor]

so because the U.S president hasnt paid enough attention to India , you consider him stupid? Wow.
Last time i checked India is not the center of the world Bro. As for Obama i think he has a point, The U.S being a superpower, everybody in this world expect it to act everywhere when there is trouble and even when there isnt. Just look at how you are complaining of the U.S not paying enough attention to your country.lol You cant expect the U.S to be everywhere at the same time. even though i understand the U.S is the world sole super power. But that doesnt means the U.S is omi potent/omi present.lol
As for the chinese memeber who posted this. The U.S is not in decline, it has never be, its just that other emerging countries led by China are rising so fast it seems the U.S is in decline, however they are not. China can talk about U.S decline or criticize the U.S now , but when they themselves attain U.S strength in a few decades from now, im sure they will understand how hard it is to be so big/be a superpower. with great power comes great responsiblities. China will have to accept this as well whether they like it or not, then we will see if they will still be saying making the same comments they are making now.
But for now,the U.S is still by far the most influential/powerful country on this planet. It sure will take alot for any country to match/overtake that. However, im sure China will overtake the U.S economically at some point(due to Chinas sheer size/relative low GDP per capital which gives them a huge room for growth). But it will take more than a bigger GDP to displaced U.S influence/military/technological and cultural superioity in this world.

You make great points mike. People need to understand that the US has total comprehensive power, and that a country having a high GDP alone won't overtake US preeminence. Militarily, forget it....the US black budget alone is the size of France and the UKs defense budgets. US soft power is what will really separate us from a country like China. In terms of influential allies, tech, science, values, popular culture...China lags considerably. The US "decline" is a myth. This is not a zero-sum game.

 

[Aepsilons]

@F-22Raptor and @mike2000 ,

Well said, Gentlemen. I will also add that one important resource tool the United States has to maintain technological and scientific edge is the H1B Visa. It is the very reason why the world's best and brightest are coming to the United States. The "Genius" Visa.

 

[Cossack25A1]

I am not sure if this is true or not but in America, if you criticize Obama just because you don't agree with his policies and see his blunder, you will be labeled as "racist" and a "right-wing nut" specially if you are a white American. It is political correctness gone horribly wrong.

 

[Beidou2020]

so because the U.S president hasnt paid enough attention to India , you consider him stupid? Wow.
Last time i checked India is not the center of the world Bro. As for Obama i think he has a point, The U.S being a superpower, everybody in this world expect it to act everywhere when there is trouble and even when there isnt. Just look at how you are complaining of the U.S not paying enough attention to your country.lol You cant expect the U.S to be everywhere at the same time. even though i understand the U.S is the world sole super power. But that doesnt means the U.S is omi potent/omi present.lol
As for the chinese memeber who posted this. The U.S is not in decline, it has never be, its just that other emerging countries led by China are rising so fast it seems the U.S is in decline, however they are not. China can talk about U.S decline or criticize the U.S now , but when they themselves attain U.S strength in a few decades from now, im sure they will understand how hard it is to be so big/be a superpower. with great power comes great responsiblities. China will have to accept this as well whether they like it or not, then we will see if they will still be saying making the same comments they are making now.
But for now,the U.S is still by far the most influential/powerful country on this planet. It sure will take alot for any country to match/overtake that. However, im sure China will overtake the U.S economically at some point(due to Chinas sheer size/relative low GDP per capital which gives them a huge room for growth). But it will take more than a bigger GDP to displaced U.S influence/military/technological and cultural superioity in this world.

You make great points mike. People need to understand that the US has total comprehensive power, and that a country having a high GDP alone won't overtake US preeminence. Militarily, forget it....the US black budget alone is the size of France and the UKs defense budgets. US soft power is what will really separate us from a country like China. In terms of influential allies, tech, science, values, popular culture...China lags considerably. The US "decline" is a myth. This is not a zero-sum game.

Wrong.

With economic might comes technological might. Both those things combined gives you military might.

As China rises economically, China will catch up technologically in all areas. Once you have the money, you can develop technologically as you have more money and more companies develop the technologies. Military power is about how advanced you are technologically and how many of each weapon you can afford (numerically).

China will surpass the US economically, financially, technologically and militarily. These combined will give China enormous political power globally just with the hard power alone.

Allies comes from hard power (size of consumer market, investor, financier, technological provider, aid provider, weapons provider). Countries will move towards the country with more comprehensive hard power. Values are not as important when you are outmatched in hard power. Values and culture are like extras added to US hard power. Without hard power, you cannot be influential. Switzerland has far greater values than the US but have no hard power as a foundation.

US will only have the advantage over China in cultural power (movies, tv, music, etc) due to English being the global language as its very easy to learn.

And yes, the US is very much in decline and the process is getting worse for the US. US middle class is shrinking, the debts are mounting, growth stagnating even with loose monetary and fiscal policy, wealth is moving to the top 1% even as a fully developed country, socially being destroyed with crime, drugs, the destruction of the family unit, becoming welfare state, higher population of blacks and hispanics, etc.

 

[TaiShang]

VN like Mr. Obama coz he allows VN to enrich uranium without being checked by IAEA.

Long live great man Obama. Love u so muchhhhhhhhh...hhhhhhhhhh !

I will report you for being funny. LOL. Kidding.

Several points.

Soft power is an empty term. No one gets soft power without amassing considerable hard power. Soft power will follow like a poodle dog once hard power is established.

Soft power is good only for political niceties. When leaders meet at a summit, what makes them to be taken seriously is their material strength.

Soft power is good, by the way, better to have than not have, but, it is not manufactured, it comes about as a by-product of hard power.

More to the point here, Obama's whining (calling out on China to be more responsible, on the one hand, and accusing China for being a 'free-rider' on the other) makes him look foolish. But, this responsibility thing is not his creation. During the Second Iraq War, Bush used to use a similar rhetoric.

I guess the US regime got real hurt because their restructure policies in the East and West Asia (especially in West Asia) are crumbling. The regime can hardly explain that China becomes the largest energy partner of Iraq in simply two years following the US troop pull-out.

It is not that things go wrong because Obama is all wrong; what has really changed is less related to the US' own dynamics, but, international environment has changed.

No more free ride for the US in Syria.
No more free ride against Iran.
The Green Belt strategy is in shambles in the Middle East.
Crimea? South China Sea? The Arctic? Latin America?
Rebalance to Asia is not being taken seriously to the degree that it would force change of behavior on part of China.

30 years ago, even with similar, or worse, mistakes, the US could have pulled out a strategic feat. It is no more.

 

[Hiptullha]

VN like Mr. Obama coz he allows VN to enrich uranium without being checked by IAEA.

Long live great man Obama. Love u so muchhhhhhhhh...hhhhhhhhhh !

d
An idiot who only won power because of all the liberals, feminists, minorities and dumb immigrants in the country. He never deserved power.

 

[Viet]

@mike2000 , well said. Did you happen to read your fellow Euro citizen @Götterdämmerung 's position? He advocates the disintegration of NATO et al. What do you think about that?

the german guy represents the minority of left and rightwing extremists in germany.

why should germany leave the NATO? it is the bloc that provides peace, prosperity and security to the country in the last 6 decades after the WW II. only extremists and nazi promote to leave the US led military alliance. those people have a dark agenda. if theoretically germany leaves the bloc and a new führer comes to the scene and successfully brainwashes the people, the WW III could come.

 

[NiceGuy]

OMG! VN member's licking skill has now reached an amazing latitude!!

Niceguy, you made my day. Thanks.

Envy with VN ?? Coz China licked JP-US hard in 1979, but still got nuclear sanction and weapon embargo when Mr. Obama allow VN to enrich uranium without being checked and weapon embargo will be lifted soon .

US hate u, dude. Bow down and licked hard in 1979 wont make US stop hating u .

d
An idiot who only won power because of all the liberals, feminists, minorities and dumb immigrants in the country. He never deserved power.

Why do u hate him ?? He still handle America well .

I will report you for being funny. LOL. Kidding.


I guess the US regime got real hurt because their restructure policies in the East and West Asia (especially in West Asia) are crumbling. The regime can hardly explain that China becomes the largest energy partner of Iraq in simply two years following the US troop pull-out.

It is not that things go wrong because Obama is all wrong; what has really changed is less related to the US' own dynamics, but, international environment has changed.

No more free ride for the US in Syria.
No more free ride against Iran.
The Green Belt strategy is in shambles in the Middle East.
Crimea? South China Sea? The Arctic? Latin America?
Rebalance to Asia is not being taken seriously to the degree that it would force change of behavior on part of China.

30 years ago, even with similar, or worse, mistakes, the US could have pulled out a strategic feat. It is no more.

Before WW2, US didnt have troops in Syria, Iran, Crimea etc, but after WW2, US become global power.

SO, Mr. Obama simply doesnt think US needs to fight in Syria, Iran, Crime etc its just a waste, thats it.

 

[Beidou2020]

I will report you for being funny. LOL. Kidding.

Several points.

Soft power is an empty term. No one gets soft power without amassing considerable hard power. Soft power will follow like a poodle dog once hard power is established.

Soft power is good only for political niceties. When leaders meet at a summit, what makes them to be taken seriously is their material strength.

Soft power is good, by the way, better to have than not have, but, it is not manufactured, it comes about as a by-product of hard power.

More to the point here, Obama's whining (calling out on China to be more responsible, on the one hand, and accusing China for being a 'free-rider' on the other) makes him look foolish. But, this responsibility thing is not his creation. During the Second Iraq War, Bush used to use a similar rhetoric.

I guess the US regime got real hurt because their restructure policies in the East and West Asia (especially in West Asia) are crumbling. The regime can hardly explain that China becomes the largest energy partner of Iraq in simply two years following the US troop pull-out.

It is not that things go wrong because Obama is all wrong; what has really changed is less related to the US' own dynamics, but, international environment has changed.

No more free ride for the US in Syria.
No more free ride against Iran.
The Green Belt strategy is in shambles in the Middle East.
Crimea? South China Sea? The Arctic? Latin America?
Rebalance to Asia is not being taken seriously to the degree that it would force change of behavior on part of China.

30 years ago, even with similar, or worse, mistakes, the US could have pulled out a strategic feat. It is no more.

That's what I was trying to say. You said it much better than me.

I fully agree with your other points too. The murderous Yankee regime is fast losing its power and influence so its causing chaos all around the world. The despotic regime knows its unipolar moment is over and the status quo is being challenged by Russia, China and Iran. I think it's great news world's most heinous regime is losing its power and influence.

 

[Hiptullha]

Why do u hate him ?? He still handle America well .

No he doesn't.
The countless scandals during his two terms show he's a terrible leader.