Nuremberg style Trials for IA officer and Indian leaders.

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Why not start from home to satisfy those thousands of families who claim their son/father/brother gone missing picked up by IA in middle of the night.

Kashmiri missing cases will be the first stop.

 

[nForce]

Many things like torture,human rights violation and can even prove the if the remains belongs to one of those thousands of men picked up by IA in middle of the night and then went missing for their relatives forever.

You will prove torture,human right violation and if some got whacked at the middle of night and that too by Indian army...all by DNA tests?? Please enlighten us mortals....HOW??...

After you are done with that,we will come to why did consider the issue with Nuremberg trials....

 

[Paan Singh]

Yaar phir se

 

[KRAIT]

At least IA is facing these trials for any extra judicial killings unlike few where people are kidnapped and their corpse dropped at roadside.

I don't support extra-judicial killings, but considering India, where terrorists get more Human rights group support and weak law against anti-terrorist elements, considering Kashmir's relative peace these years can be result of these killings.

I for one, support these trials and jail those who are involved in it even though its a necessary evil that saved thousands of lives which could have been lost due to terrorists.

Funny part is, when other countries do it, they praise their intelligence agencies and forces while take shots at Indian Army. Hypocrisy.

So I will try to be on topic and won't bring other examples.

At least IA is facing these trials for any extra judicial killings unlike few where people are kidnapped and their corpse dropped at roadside.

I don't support extra-judicial killings, but considering India, where terrorists get more Human rights group support and weak law against anti-terrorist elements, considering Kashmir's relative peace these years can be result of these killings.

I for one, support these trials and jail those who are involved in it even though its a necessary evil that saved thousands of lives which could have been lost due to terrorists.

Funny part is, when other countries do it, they praise their intelligence agencies and forces while take shots at Indian Army. Hypocrisy.

So I will try to be on topic and won't bring other examples.

 

[Bhairava]

Do you support the Indian Army in this case?

If you are asking about being in Kashmir, then yes 100%. If you are asking about the civilian deaths, then most would come nder collateral damage. If the Kashmiris were not ready to take the casualties, they should not have started the armed rebelion in the first place. Starting an armed rebellion, killing and displacing lakhs of Hindus,Sikhs, Buddhists and then crying victim when the state responds is not the sign of a good rebel. These people need to learn from the Taliboobies how to carry the fight.

Do you think they were justified in carrying out these extra judicial killings and than dumping these bodies in mass graves?

Who told you that it was the sec forces who were responsible for it ? As far as I know there was n undeclared war for over 15 years in Kashmir between the Indian forces and the Pakistani supported mujaheddin/militants/terrorists/freedom-fighters and these casualties could have been from either side. Did you miss the news about LeT killing some vllage sarpanchs ? If this is how they behave during times of relative peace, just imagine how they would have behaved then.

The fact that there was no official investigation and no individual was punished for these unspeakable crimes, does it not bother you?

Wrong ~ many 'individuals' have been infact court-martialled.

I was under the assumption that the Rule of Law applied equally to all citizens of India. Assuming that Kashmiris are integral part of India, shouldn't they be allowed to have the same rights as compared to that of someone living in Mumbai.

Thanks

Rights are for those who consider themselves as Indians. And as far as I remember, as a person who had lived in Mumbai, there had been no friday noon stone peltings chanting azaadi in Mumbai. Wrong analogy. If the Kashmiris let go of their delusions of azaadi and willingly and whole heartedly accept India, then the every single Rule of Law would be extended to them. There is no point in wanting the cake and liking to eat it too.

I for one, support these trials and jail those who are involved in it even though its a necessary evil that saved thousands of lives which could have been lost due to terrorists.
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War is never kind. If you want war, forget those morals. Period.

 

[ajtr]

Kashmiri missing cases will be the first stop.

Their is lot to hide hence GoI is refusing to do DNA testing.In fact this Nuremberg style Trials should encompass all encounter killings which,miss-trials etc which were perpetrated on the innocent civilians of india be it in khalistan movement be it in mumbai or in northeast or in red corridor or in gujarat etc by the GOI and police IA,crpf bsf all different security forces involved in mass killing ,rape torture rampage through out india

 

[karan.1970]

So Karan

Do you support the Indian Army in this case?

One Hundred percent....

Do you think they were justified in carrying out these extra judicial killings and than dumping these bodies in mass graves?

Depends whose bodies they were.. if they were Pakistani terrorists, then Yes.. If they were innocent civilians, the individuals responsible must be brought to book.. Either way, Indian army as an institution has 100% support of Indian citizens..

The fact that there was no official investigation and no individual was punished for these unspeakable crimes, does it not bother you? I was under the assumption that the Rule of Law applied equally to all citizens of India. Assuming that Kashmiris are integral part of India, shouldn't they be allowed to have the same rights as compared to that of someone living in Mumbai.

In our subcontinent, justice is often delayed. If, and its a big if, there are really any complicit army officers and there is really a crime in question here, I am sure they will be brought to book.. In the mean time, though as I said, the institution of army and its actions in Kashmir has full support of Indians...

Why not start from home to satisfy those thousands of families who claim their son/father/brother gone missing picked up by IA in middle of the night.

Why dont you give the same sermon closer to your sasural in Pakistan.. After all UN human Rights commission is touring areas in Pakistan and not in India for hearing the pleas of families who claim their son/father/brother gone missing picked up by PA in middle of the night.

 

[nForce]

Their is lot to hide hence GoI is refusing to do DNA testing.In fact this Nuremberg style Trials should encompass all encounter killings which,miss-trials etc which were perpetrated on the innocent civilians of india be it in khalistan movement be it in mumbai or in northeast or in red corridor or in gujarat etc by the GOI and police IA,crpf bsf all different security forces involved in mass killing ,rape torture rampage through out india

When it comes to geo-political matters you cannot draw point-to-point conclusions like that.DNA test will surely not prove it conclusively that IA killed all those people.But the act will draw a lot of attention and a lot of people who dont understand a head-or-tail of what DNA test means can be brainwashed by separatist ultras into believing that they are victimised by govt. of India.Besides,there is no point in wasting time,resource and energy behind an action that will give inconclusive results.

 

[Ticker]

Does any Indian poster have a statistical detail about how many trials of Indian security forces and the army officers and men were carried out who committed acts of minor or massive human rights violations.

How many were convicted and punished.

How many major inquests were conducted by the Indian government and Indian security forces, including the army.

There have been reported cases of even staged killings by Indian security forces in order to accrue the rewards or even promotions. The reports of such trials and punishment meted out have never been published.

 

[KRAIT]

War is never kind. If you want war, forget those morals. Period.

Agreed but there is a way to curb this terrorism. Extra judicial is never good option as it creates resentment in local population and susceptible population for extremism. We need more stringent anti-terrorism laws.

That's why I called it necessary evil. Its a temporary solution and if extended for many years to come, things will get worse even if I agree that morals if give cover to terrorists and put innocents at line of fire, they are no longer morals to follow.

Think of optimal strategy and better pay-off. Another point is reason behind these killings. What people don't get is Indian Army has been fighting this insurgency for 2 decades and Soldiers are human to. When they see criminals and terrorists and their sympathizers getting away through fault lines of our system, they generally break. PTSD, being away from home and frustration has already resulted in suicides of our soldiers. And these same people don't do a zilch about them.

People here are too much worried about Human rights of terrorists rather than their own soldiers. Its a shame that in our country, terrorist and extremists get more support than our security forces from our population. We should at least learn few things from our neighbors who support their Army to do anything to get rid of terrorism.

 

[ajtr]

At least IA is facing these trials for any extra judicial killings unlike few where people are kidnapped and their corpse dropped at roadside.

I don't support extra-judicial killings, but considering India, where terrorists get more Human rights group support and weak law against anti-terrorist elements, considering Kashmir's relative peace these years can be result of these killings.

I for one, support these trials and jail those who are involved in it even though its a necessary evil that saved thousands of lives which could have been lost due to terrorists.

Funny part is, when other countries do it, they praise their intelligence agencies and forces while take shots at Indian Army. Hypocrisy.

So I will try to be on topic and won't bring other examples.

At least IA is facing these trials for any extra judicial killings unlike few where people are kidnapped and their corpse dropped at roadside.

I don't support extra-judicial killings, but considering India, where terrorists get more Human rights group support and weak law against anti-terrorist elements, considering Kashmir's relative peace these years can be result of these killings.

I for one, support these trials and jail those who are involved in it even though its a necessary evil that saved thousands of lives which could have been lost due to terrorists.

Funny part is, when other countries do it, they praise their intelligence agencies and forces while take shots at Indian Army. Hypocrisy.

So I will try to be on topic and won't bring other examples.

No trial conducted by indian courts and GoI can be trusted for it There has to be neutral judges/courts if possible jurists.International Court of Justice can be that body that can conduct impartial trials under the UNSC/UN mandate.

As my conviction says that generals of operation blue star and police officers of khalistan movement genocide like kps gill and Gen.Brar are roaming free and hailed as hero for their crime against humanity.These are just two simple examples there are thousands of them such types.an independent inquiry UN commission has to be constituted to look into all complains through out india against security forces.

 

[Bhairava]

^^ GoI is not mandated to please any outsider.

 

[Ticker]

I remember large number of women protested in NE India as well against the planned rapes conducted by Indian army. In one such case, these women even protested nude to highlight their light.

A woman dropping her decency in public is the ultimate she can do to highlight such barbarities committed by Indian security forces and the army.

Did the government take any action on their plight.

 

[ajtr]

When it comes to geo-political matters you cannot draw point-to-point conclusions like that.DNA test will surely not prove it conclusively that IA killed all those people.But the act will draw a lot of attention and a lot of people who dont understand a head-or-tail of what DNA test means can be brainwashed by separatist ultras into believing that they are victimised by govt. of India.Besides,there is no point in wasting time,resource and energy behind an action that will give inconclusive results.

No geopolitics has nothing to do with the aspersions for freedom of different in india which are being silenced systematically.

 

[Ticker]

I dont think these would be public statistics.. Just like in the case of Missing people and EJ killings in Balochistan no numbers have come out yet ...

Irrespective, the Supreme Court of Pakistan has taken up the issue. This shows the seriousness and the concern.

Has a similar thing been undertaken by the Indian Supreme Court - ever.