Nobody can defeat Pakistani nation: Air Chief

[MastanKhan]

I like the ACM as he is better than the previous few but this is just an idiotic statement. Pakistan was on the brink of chaos and anarchy less than two years ago.

Hi,

This is " SHOW BOATING " at its worst. This statement was thoughtless at best.

Why do these guys make these statements like----we will break their "mouth"----we will yank their eyes out----another favorite is---we will give them a bloody nose---.

can someone ask these people to please keep their mouths shut and speak sensible if they have to.

 

[araz]

General morale boosters. Nothing else. Otherwise it wont take much to defeat Pakistan. The fact is its people are uneducated and divided the leadership is corrupt and inept and bereft of any love for the country. The job opportunities are few and far between and the rich poor divide is kncreasing by the day. These are all bad signs. However the recent overtures and actions towards restoring peace was good to see and there may yet be hope for the country.
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[DV RULES]

BULL!!!!!! You have taken quite a few days to respond and other than rhetoric have come up with nothing. Nothing that is worthy of a response. I would really appreciate it if you were an individual thinker and brought out something logical. For instance how do you move the Air bases out of the city and where do you go to and what would be the cost outlays. Think of what else one can do to circumvent the problem. Bring one logical solution to the problem instead of the brain fart you have soiled the forum with and then we can talk. Till such time you have no justification to rant.
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Your worthy topics, comments, logic are known to me so spare me from this stupid favoritism. You have too immature approach when comes to issues not suitable to your good list. I will try to push something into your mindset if successful, That's now out of question moving Air Bases away from city/residential boundaries because where ever Pakistan government will not move strategic assets; Pakistan Military's Real Estate business mindset will mess that place by establishing Defense Housings and then permitting residential plotting side by side.....i already have answered in other thread but seems like you are not interested to analyze the issue from facts involved. Anyway here is the link to that post Terrorist Attack On PAF camp Badaber : 29 people massacred, 13 terrorists killed. | Page 65 Post#975. (Read carefully). Try to sort out things away from BS "Pakistan Army Zindabad"

 

[LeGenD]

One of the biggest failure of the PAF is not accounting for how they were sleeping at the wheel while Americans could swoop in, conduct their mission right in the naighbor-hood of Abbotabad military garrison and fly out. While I applaud the Americans for conceiving and accomplishing this daring mission to get osama, I don't believe Pakistan has fired a single airforce officer for this gross negligence and incompetence. Instead they went after the poor civilian doctor!!

US forces infiltrated Pakistan from a mountainous sector in the border during night and kept low profile throughout the flight-path towards the target location.

Ever seen Abbottabad? Mountains in this region are massive [part of the Himalayas range]. A helicopter won't be easily spotted if it is passing through these mountains during the late night. Heck, nobody expected foreign troops to infiltrate this deep into Pakistan.

US forces jammed the radar systems [located near the flight-path] as well, to delay a potential response from PAF.

When the attack occurred, people in the vicinity felt that Pakistani army was raiding a compound. Some decided to take a look but were surprised to see US troops on the ground. Therefore, some speculated that this could be a joint operation.

Now, you are quick to blame this on supposed incompetence of Pakistani armed forces, do you think that your country is infiltration-proof?

U never really know how much Pakistan was involved in that op.....

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[singh sahab]

 

[itachii]

That pride in LG J.F.R Jacob's face...

 

[LeGenD]

Seymour Hersh's account.

You should read this: Separating Fact From Seymour Hersh’s Fiction About bin Laden - WSJ

 

[Humble Analyst]

Your worthy topics, comments, logic are known to me so spare me from this stupid favoritism. You have too immature approach when comes to issues not suitable to your good list. I will try to push something into your mindset if successful, That's now out of question moving Air Bases away from city/residential boundaries because where ever Pakistan government will not move strategic assets; Pakistan Military's Real Estate business mindset will mess that place by establishing Defense Housings and then permitting residential plotting side by side.....i already have answered in other thread but seems like you are not interested to analyze the issue from facts involved. Anyway here is the link to that post Terrorist Attack On PAF camp Badaber : 29 people massacred, 13 terrorists killed. | Page 65 Post#975. (Read carefully). Try to sort out things away from BS "Pakistan Army Zindabad"

Very personal post, it seems personal.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

US forces infiltrated Pakistan from a mountainous sector in the border during night and kept low profile throughout the flight-path towards the target location.

Ever seen Abbottabad? Mountains in this region are massive [part of the Himalayas range]. A helicopter won't be easily spotted if it is passing through these mountains during the late night. Heck, nobody expected foreign troops to infiltrate this deep into Pakistan.

US forces jammed the radar systems [located near the flight-path] as well, to delay a potential response from PAF.

When the attack occurred, people in the vicinity felt that Pakistani army was raiding a compound. Some decided to take a look but were surprised to see US troops on the ground. Therefore, some speculated that this could be a joint operation.

Now, you are quick to blame this on supposed incompetence of Pakistani armed forces, do you think that your country is infiltration-proof?


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Bro, during the time of the raid i was awake and watching the news; they said some suspicious activity going on at Abottabad and that there was also a sudden movement of military and Air Force activities. The Military and ect... probably knew, and one of the Helis was probably shot down; looking at the "crash heli" it looked more like it was shot.

That pride in LG J.F.R Jacob's face...

You joined the war very late, it was already lost. The Blockade in Bangladesh meant the army could no longer fight on, if it did it would've faced food and ammo shortages. When the Indian Army intervened there was little fighting between Pakistan Army and Indian forces. We had the chance to shatter the already broken Indian army in 1962 but stupidly we didnt.

 

[RoadRunner401]

That pride in LG J.F.R Jacob's face...

Hey you should also have these for your collection.

 

[Pindi Boy]

Isn't failure?
we have lost precious lives, officers, workers of PAF over Pakistan has spent lot of money to train them and isn't an asset?
We have lost Orion maritime surveillance aircrafts, Saab etc there is a list so being optimistic nothing will be solved.

Plz change your flags + avatar

 

[nForce]

You joined the war very late, it was already lost. The Blockade in Bangladesh meant the army could no longer fight on, if it did it would've faced food and ammo shortages. When the Indian Army intervened there was little fighting between Pakistan Army and Indian forces. We had the chance to shatter the already broken Indian army in 1962 but stupidly we didnt.

You do have a point. But I always found it always a bit unsettling. Why was East always considered to be a satellite, far away from the 'main land' that needed protection from the West ? After all, East was a little bigger than the West in terms of population, had less area to guard and at that time had a bigger economy than the West.

 

[araz]

Your worthy topics, comments, logic are known to me so spare me from this stupid favoritism. You have too immature approach when comes to issues not suitable to your good list. I will try to push something into your mindset if successful, That's now out of question moving Air Bases away from city/residential boundaries because where ever Pakistan government will not move strategic assets; Pakistan Military's Real Estate business mindset will mess that place by establishing Defense Housings and then permitting residential plotting side by side.....i already have answered in other thread but seems like you are not interested to analyze the issue from facts involved. Anyway here is the link to that post Terrorist Attack On PAF camp Badaber : 29 people massacred, 13 terrorists killed. | Page 65 Post#975. (Read carefully). Try to sort out things away from BS "Pakistan Army Zindabad"

Sorting out the garbage from your verbage it seems you are in agreement about the problems associated with moving of air bases/cantonments. The problem as I have understood from your post is that it is the Cantonments and their vicinity to bases that you are worried about. So would you mind informing the people who are reading this where the assigned personnel will reside or do you want people to commute 40-50 miles every day for 3 shifts in circumstances which prevail in Pakistan. And by the way have you conveniently forgotten the buses of PAF/PA personnel that were attacked and cadets murdered. Corruption in our society is rife so it is not surprising that the forces indulge in it. However this still does not make the populace any less vulnerable to attacks from outside. By the way it is not just the Army that sells land but also our earstwhile politicians. So you might want to chastise them also.
I will also ignore your personal comments as response to that does not add to the debate. Finally your comment about me not being interested in analyzing the situation is bereft of fact and logic. Why else am I engaging with a foul mouthed person if not to understand what your problem is. So if you can civilly explain why you have an axe to grind we can get on and debate that.
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[LeGenD]

Bro, during the time of the raid i was awake and watching the news; they said some suspicious activity going on at Abottabad and that there was also a sudden movement of military and Air Force activities. The Military and ect... probably knew, and one of the Helis was probably shot down; looking at the "crash heli" it looked more like it was shot.

Initial media reports are largely based on half-truths and sensationalism in most cases.

Remember the recent earthquake that affected Afghanistan and Pakistan? Media was shouting 8.1 richter scale as if the earthquake was this much intensity in all areas. I was rolling my eyes. Earthquake measured 8.1 richter scale in the epicenter [only]. I was in Lahore during this time and the waves that came here were within 5.0 - 5.9 richter scale range in intensity. However, gullible masses assumed that the waves were of 8.1 richter scale intensity in all areas. This is not the first time that Pakistani media have spread disinformation, and Pakistani masses can be easily fooled because most do not have a habit of doing their own research.

This was a unilateral US military operation but facts came to light slowly and but we still get limited information. Luckily for us, a US helicopter crashed in the region and this incident exposed this naked aggression. Otherwise, this would have been a ghost event.

I can cite several sources that provide good details of this military operation; sources that contain information from personnel who were directly involved. I also have access to a reliable Pakistani source in this regard.

 

[araz]

Plz change your flags + avatar

Dont worry let him debate if he so desires. But he is running out of material to debate and deflating fast .
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