No IAF Aircraft reached Balakot

[VCheng]

Just wait u will see

Of course. Not just me, but the world will see. Of course.

 

[mingle]

Of course. Not just me, but the world will see. Of course.

But we will not hit trees this is my claim

 

[VCheng]

But we will not hit trees this is my claim

We can wait and see whether your claim is true or not. No rush.

 

[R!CK]

Hey guys, just trying to understand something. The picture released so far is of a drop tank in the forest area. Pictures only show kinetic impact and no trace of explosives even on the fallen debris. What about the places where the missiles apparently missed targets? Any pictures? Or is the current narrative that IAF didn't deploy any missile? I'm just trying to understand your side of the story here.

Not taking sides here, but an armed missile from a higher altitude combined with the kinetic energy will have a significant impact area, the picture released by ISPR so far is of a drop tank. You can verify that with people from the air force operational domain, or people who have seen an armed missile debris in real life. Are there more pictures of missed targets or do you guys say that the IAF aircraft turned back without dropping the actual payload (drop tanks cant be called payload)? The media from both sides as always have contradicting info to share, combined with propaganda. Just trying to confirm if you guys say that no missiles/bombs were released within your country. I'd appreciate if someone could share a sensible response without getting personal.

Good Day!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The fact remains that India has successfully demonstrated its ability to cross the LoC and deliver munitions inside Pakistan proper without loss, pretty much at will, at a carefully chosen target. That is a problem no matter how one looks at the present incident.

Airspace violations happen all the time on both sides. The incursion was nothing new. The only thing New was that the IAF dropped bombs while doing it. The result of this will be that peacetime rules of engagement will now change. Where before an intruding aircraft was warned and given the opportunity to retreat, all incursions will be engaged kinetically.

Hey guys, just trying to understand something. The picture released so far is of a drop tank in the forest area. Pictures only show kinetic impact and no trace of explosives even on the fallen debris. What about the places where the missiles apparently missed targets? Any pictures? Or is the current narrative that IAF didn't deploy any missile? I'm just trying to understand your side of the story here.

Not taking sides here, but an armed missile from a higher altitude combined with the kinetic energy will have a significant impact area, the picture released by ISPR so far is of a drop tank. You can verify that with people from the air force operational domain, or people who have seen an armed missile debris in real life. Are there more pictures of missed targets or do you guys say that the IAF aircraft turned back without dropping the actual payload (drop tanks cant be called payload)? The media from both sides as always have contradicting info to share, combined with propaganda. Just trying to confirm if you guys say that no missiles/bombs were released within your country. I'd appreciate if someone could share a sensible response without getting personal.

Good Day!

Local media is all over the place and so far the only area reporting explosions is Balakot, with local reporters quoting local residents as saying no casualties or damage (one person injured due to debris shattering his window while he slept). Locals did report loud sounds (going to assume that was exploding ordinance).

 

[Tank131]

IAF incursion for 15-22 min certainly are a big deal, no matter how you slice it. That being said, if Israel, Russia, Europeans can strike in middle of nowhere syria and the entire world knows the locations and death toll figures, it stands to reason that the same would be true in densely populated Pakistan. That being said the largest neutral figures i have seen were a BBC interview with a man that said 6 people including and elder were injured. By any stretch of the imagination, that is not a successful strike, especially if carried out by 12 M2K as many have said. That indicates more to me that this was a political charade (saying we can do it if we want) so as to not increase tensions to irretrievable levels. That being said, the claim was made of successful strike, Pak military leaders need to respond or get called traitors (even a few missiles thrown at low value targets). Otherwise their is no reason for a big defense budget. Put all that money in economic and social development because if you can keep out or respond to such an incursion, you have no use for that money either.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

IAF incursion for 15-22 min certainly are a big deal,

It was not for 15-22 minutes. 4-5 minutes. CAP engaged IAF within minutes and per peacetime ROE let them retreat. It was only later that information on bombs being dropped came out, otherwise the engagement with the IAF would not have been just a warning.

 

[R!CK]

Airspace violations happen all the time on both sides. The incursion was nothing new. The only thing New was that the IAF dropped bombs while doing it. The result of this will be that peacetime rules of engagement will now change. Where before an intruding aircraft was warned and given the opportunity to retreat, all incursions will be engaged kinetically.


Local media is all over the place and so far the only area reporting explosions is Balakot, with local reporters quoting local residents as saying no casualties or damage (one person injured due to debris shattering his window while he slept). Locals did report loud sounds (going to assume that was exploding ordinance).

Thanks for the response. Going through a report in Dawn, there is an official statement about 4 ordinance deployed. Have the local media showed the four impact sites yet or is there any restriction with regard to what can be shared for the public there? I can almost assure you that impact from for four armed ordnance from the Spice 1000/2000 class is hard not to notice. Almost wish there were restrictions for Indian media so they'd stop showing unrelated videos and look less stupid. There is no official video from GoI therefore any clips shown by the media from our side are not relevant. But I'd guess it's highly likely that Pakistani media were able to record all four impact zones by now. Anything shared so far by a reliable agency?

Good Day!

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Airspace violations happen all the time on both sides. The incursion was nothing new. The only thing New was that the IAF dropped bombs while doing it. The result of this will be that peacetime rules of engagement will now change. Where before an intruding aircraft was warned and given the opportunity to retreat, all incursions will be engaged kinetically.


Local media is all over the place and so far the only area reporting explosions is Balakot, with local reporters quoting local residents as saying no casualties or damage (one person injured due to debris shattering his window while he slept). Locals did report loud sounds (going to assume that was exploding ordinance).

Now, after the ground "surgical strike" the air one is also lost!!! Only remaining is the sea version...

 

[GriffinsRule]

my sources reporting low intensity war has already broken out on LOC .....intense shelling on both side. with jets buzzing

Yes near Sialkot sector, 35 rats are already hell bound.

 

[Vortex]

It was not for 15-22 minutes. 4-5 minutes. CAP engaged IAF within minutes and per peacetime ROE let them retreat. It was only later that information on bombs being dropped came out, otherwise the engagement with the IAF would not have been just a warning.

In other words they very well exploited rules of engagement?

 

[GriffinsRule]

They hitt the pine trees

All they could do what destroy 1 single tree with 5 bombs!! I guess they did not like our billion tree tsunami hahaha. Modi must be feeling jelly of IK

 

[Vanamali]

how dare they violate our airspace?when will we return the favor?
at least bomb their deserted hilltops to make things even

Let us think PAf voilates Indian space, what is the target. India's target was non miltary and so called Terrorist's training facility. If PAF enters Indian space,bit would be shot down, you know history where non Civilian plane has been shot down during peace time. Now best option for PAf is sit tight and let army do dirty job.

 

[kursed]

So, I have a question for everyone talking about ‘peacetime’ ROE being responsible for lack of a hot PAF response.

Do any of you lot believe if it was a PAF sortie intruding Indian air space, IAF would have not engaged them? And I do not mean a deterrence engagement here but to lock / shoot?

 

[Vanamali]

First of all 3-4 minutes are total engaging & challenging period and its not limited to one Balakot only. Secondly, does it need a Jet to hoover over an specific area to drop down or it can launch its payload from distance which will make it to point of hit? As far I am reading, it seems like many are off the opinion that they were over Balakot? LoC airspace is violated but it isn't like they have been flying for 3-4 minutes within our space or Balakot.

In Air battle, such time limit (3-4 minutes) is enough to down enemy plane especially where situation is on high alert like this one. Either SOW or some other bomb, but it wasn't dropped from above Balakot air space. The chase took place for few moments and intruder knew it that will be getting hit so just violated LoC, dropped (launched) on return/running away. Munition made it to Balakot which is acknowledged but not the IAF AC over such area. In a lay man dictionary, calculate AC speed with covered area & time span=? what we are looking at.

My personal opinion, though.

PAF has a missed golden chance of shooting down IAF now PA can give only statements because there are no terrorist camps on Indian side and PAF cannot bomb military targets, if they do it, Indian will treat it as war.