New LKF601E Air Cooling Airborne AESA radar for all JF-17 Block I and II

[PakAlp]

You don't want to have too much variety in aircrafts and their origins, logistic and maintenance issues come up real quick and become an actual problem.

Also, J17 Block III is intended to be a 4.0+ generation fighter, so if not a 4.0+ generation fighter, definitely close and that is satisfactory; something that can cost effectively get the job done, it is ideal. Having other aircrafts will only increase costs and will put hurdles in Project Azms funding.

Jf17 f16 j10b are not too many platforms to have in my opinion. When paf will be adding 5th generation then they can replace the old f16 models with it. Maintaining 4 different platforms shouldn't be a problem. Upto 2030 they will have just 3 different types of aircrafts.

Looking at recent history paf had F16, Mirages, f7s, A5, f6 in their inventory. Then f6 were retired and jf17 was introduced. It was still 5 different platforms until A5 was retired.

Jf17 - Modern 4th generation Aesa plane
F16 - Cutting edge technology plane
J10b - Aesa tvc plane
J20/J31/TFX - 5th generation stealth plane

Looks like a very lethal airforce

 

[PakAlp]

J-10B with the new TVC engine is an entirely different animal. I think this fighter along with JF-17 and a 5th gen fighter is the future of PAF.

What would be the difference between a normal J10b and J10b tvc? And how wold you rate J10b tvc against Rafael or f16 block 70. Thanks

 

[SSGcommandoPAK]

Imagine a Fleet of 200 JF-17 of various blocks all armed with AESA , along with 80 F-16's along with 50 Mirage III/V and F-7PG . I still hope we buy a off the shelf Fighter in small numbers ( 18-24 ) .

110-120 JF-17 BLK I/II (AESA + other upgrades)
100 JF-17 BLK III
78 F-16s ( can be upgraded if relations with US improve)
30-40 Mirages
A strong 330 aircraft inventory....
This fleet is enough to counter IAF,we don't need to spend on another 4.5th gen aircraft our next aircraft should be 5th gen,according to my sources the BLK III would be very impressive and will not disappoint. India is still busy in procuring 4.5th gen aircrafts and will take another 5-7 years to finish 4.5th gen aircraft induction we should smartly move to 5th gen before them by saving money and buying an off shelf 5th gen aircraft.

All Mirages and F7PGs need to be replaced immediately. If tomorrow USA donates us 100 f16s then mirages and F7pg will be in the museum. We have to admit they need to be replaced by jf17 block 3/J10B/f16 planes.

These amazing planes have served us well but we don't want to see them in our airforce beyond 2025.

USA donates us 100 F-16s ? Pakistan would be the last country they would wanna give free F-16 to,they simply don't wanna piss the Indians

Guys can we say that after all these upgrades our BLK I / II are now at par with F-16 blk 52+ ?
BLK I/II have gone through a lot of upgrades recently (like avionics and now AESA coming) .

 

[Super Falcon]

Good but we need missles of more than 300 km range too

 

[War Thunder]

Data belonging to KLJ-7 non-AESA or mechanical scanning variants.

Taken from Wikipedia for the latest variant 7A.

Jf17 f16 j10b are not too many platforms to have in my opinion. When paf will be adding 5th generation then they can replace the old f16 models with it. Maintaining 4 different platforms shouldn't be a problem. Upto 2030 they will have just 3 different types of aircrafts.

Looking at recent history paf had F16, Mirages, f7s, A5, f6 in their inventory. Then f6 were retired and jf17 was introduced. It was still 5 different platforms until A5 was retired.

Jf17 - Modern 4th generation Aesa plane
F16 - Cutting edge technology plane
J10b - Aesa tvc plane
J20/J31/TFX - 5th generation stealth plane

Looks like a very lethal airforce

F-16 = Cutting edge tech?
What are you high on mate?

 

[LKJ86]

Taken from Wikipedia for the latest variant 7A.

It says "Data from: JF-17 official website".
Any idea about the " JF-17 official website"?

 

[Dazzler]

Taken from Wikipedia for the latest variant 7A.

Since when did wiki become official source?

 

[War Thunder]

Since when did wiki become official source?

It's the best second source for relating to any information that is public, official or not.
You are always welcome to get more accurate stats if you know a better source.

Here's what I could find elsewhere...
East Pendulum reported citing NRIET deputy director Wang Hongzhe that the KLJ-7A has a range of 170 km against aerial target with 3m² RCS (radar cross-section) or 200 km against aerial target with 5m² RCS. It can track 15 targets and engage four simultaneously. Though equipped with 1,000 TRMs, it is not known if the KLJ-7A’s TRMs are built from gallium arsenide (GaA) or gallium nitride (GaN).

 

[War Thunder]

Here's updated comparison of knows specs based on more accurate sources:


KLJ-7A

Data from: http://www.eastpendulum.com/airshow-china-2016-radar-aesa-klj-7a

• Frequency: X band
• Range:
  • Look-up: 170 km for targets of 3m² RCS (RCS of smaller or stealthier aircraft...none in possession of indian armed forces....also drones)
    200 km against aerial target with 5m² RCS (RCS of base model Rafael and Gripen...Su-30MKI has even higher RCS @ 20m²)
  • Total targets tracked: 15 in TWS (Track-While-Scan) mode and engage 4 simultaneously
• Weight: ≤120 kg

LKF601E

Known so far...

• Frequency: X band

• Range:
  • Look-up: Fighter-sized targets at 170 km
    
    
  • Look-down: large targets from 200 km in the Sea (Ships)

• Total targets tracked: tracks up to 15 targets simultaneously and engages four with air/air missiles

• Weight: 69kg + 35kg (radar + (processor + power module))

 

[LKJ86]

The number of LKF601E's T/R modules is 864, while the one of Rafale's REB2-AA is 836.

https://m.weibo.cn/1895482303/4305679109865599

 

[Dazzler]

The number of LKF601E's T/R modules is 864, while the one of Rafale's REB2-AA is 836.
View attachment 518943 View attachment 518944
https://m.weibo.cn/1895482303/4305679109865599

GaaS or Gaan modules?

 

[alimobin memon]

GaaS or Gaan modules?

can you tell me which one of the two is better and why ?

 

[Trango Towers]

Maybe PAF should just install these on the Block-III JFTs, that'll save them alot of airframe design modifications as we have seen in the JF-17B

Did you read the article....it says no modificatiosn required

The only 4th Generation plane Pakistan can buy is the J10 from China but Pakistan has the F16s so paf believes they don't need a similar medium weight platform. Although I do believe they need around 150 4.5th Generation J10B planes which will be a counter for the Rafael and Su30MKI. Jf17Block 3 is a lightweight plane.

As many people stated paf is thinking to skip the 4.5th generation plane and move on to the 5th generation because by 2030 it will all be about the 5th generation planes.
J20 j31 and TFX are the good options in that field.

I would say Paf desperately needs 150 upgraded 4.5th Generation J10Bs in order to counter iaf.
.
So by 2030 we to have.
250 jf17 AESA planes
150 J10B Aesa planes
76 f16 planes
50+ 5th Generation planes
Total = 526 planes.

This looks like a lethal air force than
300 jf17
76 f16
50+ 5th generation (which is just on paper)

Make it up as you go alone....by 2030 i will have every good looking women on the planet and you will all have to settle for the ugly one ...

 

[War Thunder]

Did you read the article....it says no modificatiosn required

did you read his plain simple English which means there won't be a design change required to install this on the airframe of JF-17 Blk III, so why not just put in there instead of coming up with a new airframe structure for the KLJ-7A...

 

[Trango Towers]

did you read his plain simple English which means there won't be a design change required to install this on the airframe of JF-17 Blk III, so why not just put in there instead of coming up with a new airframe structure for the KLJ-7A...

Unbelivable....

LKF601E can be fitted with ease(on the Aircraft) even on an Airbase, without going to the retrofiring and overhauling factory due to it simpler yet ultra modern Engineering.

This Radar can easily be fitted on the existing as well as old Block of JF-17 i.e both on JF-17 Block 1 and JF-17 Block 2 without any Structural change or Radar Nose modification.