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Argentina’s fight to prevent its problematic currency from a total meltdown is leaving the Central Bank, by some estimates, broke.

The nation has already spent all of its liquid international reserves, plus another estimated US$1 billion, according to Buenos Aires-based consulting firm 1816 Economía & Estrategia — raising the stakes as the nation contends with a historic drought and impending recession.

Without easy-to-spend cash on hand, questions are swirling about how much longer the government can continue to defend the peso from an all-out collapse. At risk is a currency devaluation that stands to fan 104 percent inflation and exacerbate high levels of social unrest ahead of October’s presidential elections.

“Fewer reserves leads to more pressure on the exchange rate, which in turn leads to more pressure on inflation,” said Fernando Losada, a managing director at Oppenheimer & Co. “I see no possible scenario under which inflation goes below three digits this year.”

Argentina has struggled to build and keep international reserves at healthy levels for decades, running through cash piles to combat rising prices and juggle obligations on overseas bonds.

The nation now technically has less than US$34 billion in total foreign reserves, but the majority is locked up in less-liquid assets — such as gold, credit swap lines with China and the Bank of International Settlements and the dollars Argentines have in their savings accounts.

That’s a problem for a country in need of ready-to-spend cash. Argentina’s liabilities in foreign currency already exceed total reserves by about US$1 billion — the worst such ratio since the nation was wracked by economic crisis in the early 2000s, according to the 1816 firm’s report last week.

Argentina has been flying through its dollar reserves as it tries to stop a slide in the peso’s parallel-market exchange rate, which has replaced the government’s official currency rate amid draconian capital controls. In just the past week, the Central Bank sold about US$470 million to support the currency in parallel markets, said Fernando Marull, an economist at Buenos Aires-based consultancy FMyA.

It’s been difficult to measure the success of the government’s intervention. The unofficial peso lost about 13 percent against the US dollar last month, and is down 33 percent so far this year, by far the biggest decline in key emerging markets.

President Alberto Fernández has, in the past, attempted to beef up reserves by forcing dollars earned from exports to flow into Central Bank accounts and by accepting International Monetary Fund cash injections. But those measures are largely falling flat. And Fernández — who has already withdrawn his candidacy for re-election — has no guarantees that talks to rework a US$44-billion programme with the IMF will result in sped-up loan disbursements to help ease the situation.

A spokesperson for Argentina’s Central Bank said the market’s calculation of net reserves doesn’t properly reflect its balance sheet because it fails to account for other sources of financing, such as a currency swap line with China.

Officials have opted for other emergency measures in the meantime, including tapping the China swap to finance US$1.8 billion of imports from the country. It’s also working with Brazil to boost bilateral trade with credit lines in reais, allowing it to bypass the dollar.

For Argentines, the uncertainty is palpable.

Scarred by the Central Bank’s decision to freeze access to dollar savings during the 2001 economic crisis, many Argentines are already pulling cash from their savings. They yanked over US$1 billion of US dollar deposits from the banking system from late March to the end of April.

There are also few signs that reserves can be rebuilt any time soon. The worst drought of the century has all but removed any possibility of an influx of cash from agricultural exports before the elections.

“The risk of having liquid reserves in negative territory is that the Central Bank may not have the dollars needed to meet an even stronger outflow of foreign-exchange deposits,” said Juan Sola, an economist at BancTrust & Co in Buenos Aires.


@beijingwalker @etylo
- are Argentines paying China in toilet paper ?
RMB.
 
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I hope Argentines have finally decided to join OBOR and the BRICS. Once their economy gets revived and growing, getting two 039C (by then 039C's could be exported), a 052D, and a few 054B will get the Malvinas back. It will be a historic landmarking UK's fall from 2nd-rate to 3rd-rate country.
 
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I hope Argentines have finally decided to join OBOR and the BRICS. Once their economy gets revived and growing, getting two 039C (by then 039C's could be exported), a 052D, and a few 054B will get the Malvinas back. It will be a historic landmarking UK's fall from 2nd-rate to 3rd-rate country.
Yes it will be that easy
 
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Argentina’s fight to prevent its problematic currency from a total meltdown is leaving the Central Bank, by some estimates, broke.

The nation has already spent all of its liquid international reserves, plus another estimated US$1 billion, according to Buenos Aires-based consulting firm 1816 Economía & Estrategia — raising the stakes as the nation contends with a historic drought and impending recession.

Without easy-to-spend cash on hand, questions are swirling about how much longer the government can continue to defend the peso from an all-out collapse. At risk is a currency devaluation that stands to fan 104 percent inflation and exacerbate high levels of social unrest ahead of October’s presidential elections.

“Fewer reserves leads to more pressure on the exchange rate, which in turn leads to more pressure on inflation,” said Fernando Losada, a managing director at Oppenheimer & Co. “I see no possible scenario under which inflation goes below three digits this year.”

Argentina has struggled to build and keep international reserves at healthy levels for decades, running through cash piles to combat rising prices and juggle obligations on overseas bonds.

The nation now technically has less than US$34 billion in total foreign reserves, but the majority is locked up in less-liquid assets — such as gold, credit swap lines with China and the Bank of International Settlements and the dollars Argentines have in their savings accounts.

That’s a problem for a country in need of ready-to-spend cash. Argentina’s liabilities in foreign currency already exceed total reserves by about US$1 billion — the worst such ratio since the nation was wracked by economic crisis in the early 2000s, according to the 1816 firm’s report last week.

Argentina has been flying through its dollar reserves as it tries to stop a slide in the peso’s parallel-market exchange rate, which has replaced the government’s official currency rate amid draconian capital controls. In just the past week, the Central Bank sold about US$470 million to support the currency in parallel markets, said Fernando Marull, an economist at Buenos Aires-based consultancy FMyA.

It’s been difficult to measure the success of the government’s intervention. The unofficial peso lost about 13 percent against the US dollar last month, and is down 33 percent so far this year, by far the biggest decline in key emerging markets.

President Alberto Fernández has, in the past, attempted to beef up reserves by forcing dollars earned from exports to flow into Central Bank accounts and by accepting International Monetary Fund cash injections. But those measures are largely falling flat. And Fernández — who has already withdrawn his candidacy for re-election — has no guarantees that talks to rework a US$44-billion programme with the IMF will result in sped-up loan disbursements to help ease the situation.

A spokesperson for Argentina’s Central Bank said the market’s calculation of net reserves doesn’t properly reflect its balance sheet because it fails to account for other sources of financing, such as a currency swap line with China.

Officials have opted for other emergency measures in the meantime, including tapping the China swap to finance US$1.8 billion of imports from the country. It’s also working with Brazil to boost bilateral trade with credit lines in reais, allowing it to bypass the dollar.

For Argentines, the uncertainty is palpable.

Scarred by the Central Bank’s decision to freeze access to dollar savings during the 2001 economic crisis, many Argentines are already pulling cash from their savings. They yanked over US$1 billion of US dollar deposits from the banking system from late March to the end of April.

There are also few signs that reserves can be rebuilt any time soon. The worst drought of the century has all but removed any possibility of an influx of cash from agricultural exports before the elections.

“The risk of having liquid reserves in negative territory is that the Central Bank may not have the dollars needed to meet an even stronger outflow of foreign-exchange deposits,” said Juan Sola, an economist at BancTrust & Co in Buenos Aires.


@beijingwalker @etylo
- are Argentines paying China in toilet paper ?
China will demand that the Argentinian National team in football get Chinese citizenship. That is the most obvious thing Argentina can use in a trade agreement.
 
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Argentina’s fight to prevent its problematic currency from a total meltdown is leaving the Central Bank, by some estimates, broke.

The nation has already spent all of its liquid international reserves, plus another estimated US$1 billion, according to Buenos Aires-based consulting firm 1816 Economía & Estrategia — raising the stakes as the nation contends with a historic drought and impending recession.

Without easy-to-spend cash on hand, questions are swirling about how much longer the government can continue to defend the peso from an all-out collapse. At risk is a currency devaluation that stands to fan 104 percent inflation and exacerbate high levels of social unrest ahead of October’s presidential elections.

“Fewer reserves leads to more pressure on the exchange rate, which in turn leads to more pressure on inflation,” said Fernando Losada, a managing director at Oppenheimer & Co. “I see no possible scenario under which inflation goes below three digits this year.”

Argentina has struggled to build and keep international reserves at healthy levels for decades, running through cash piles to combat rising prices and juggle obligations on overseas bonds.

The nation now technically has less than US$34 billion in total foreign reserves, but the majority is locked up in less-liquid assets — such as gold, credit swap lines with China and the Bank of International Settlements and the dollars Argentines have in their savings accounts.

That’s a problem for a country in need of ready-to-spend cash. Argentina’s liabilities in foreign currency already exceed total reserves by about US$1 billion — the worst such ratio since the nation was wracked by economic crisis in the early 2000s, according to the 1816 firm’s report last week.

Argentina has been flying through its dollar reserves as it tries to stop a slide in the peso’s parallel-market exchange rate, which has replaced the government’s official currency rate amid draconian capital controls. In just the past week, the Central Bank sold about US$470 million to support the currency in parallel markets, said Fernando Marull, an economist at Buenos Aires-based consultancy FMyA.

It’s been difficult to measure the success of the government’s intervention. The unofficial peso lost about 13 percent against the US dollar last month, and is down 33 percent so far this year, by far the biggest decline in key emerging markets.

President Alberto Fernández has, in the past, attempted to beef up reserves by forcing dollars earned from exports to flow into Central Bank accounts and by accepting International Monetary Fund cash injections. But those measures are largely falling flat. And Fernández — who has already withdrawn his candidacy for re-election — has no guarantees that talks to rework a US$44-billion programme with the IMF will result in sped-up loan disbursements to help ease the situation.

A spokesperson for Argentina’s Central Bank said the market’s calculation of net reserves doesn’t properly reflect its balance sheet because it fails to account for other sources of financing, such as a currency swap line with China.

Officials have opted for other emergency measures in the meantime, including tapping the China swap to finance US$1.8 billion of imports from the country. It’s also working with Brazil to boost bilateral trade with credit lines in reais, allowing it to bypass the dollar.

For Argentines, the uncertainty is palpable.

Scarred by the Central Bank’s decision to freeze access to dollar savings during the 2001 economic crisis, many Argentines are already pulling cash from their savings. They yanked over US$1 billion of US dollar deposits from the banking system from late March to the end of April.

There are also few signs that reserves can be rebuilt any time soon. The worst drought of the century has all but removed any possibility of an influx of cash from agricultural exports before the elections.

“The risk of having liquid reserves in negative territory is that the Central Bank may not have the dollars needed to meet an even stronger outflow of foreign-exchange deposits,” said Juan Sola, an economist at BancTrust & Co in Buenos Aires.


@beijingwalker @etylo
- are Argentines paying China in toilet paper ?
This deal ain't happening unless China offer a payment plan with ZERO dollar down and ZERO dollar repayment for a long ,long time.

They might as well giving them for free........


China will demand that the Argentinian National team in football get Chinese citizenship. That is the most obvious thing Argentina can use in a trade agreement.
Probably just Messi alone.......Wonder how much he worth now that he is close to 40?
 
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This deal ain't happening unless China offer a payment plan with ZERO dollar down and ZERO dollar repayment for a long ,long time.
They can choose to exchange goods. Use Argentina's resources in exchange for fighter aircraft.


China will demand that the Argentinian National team in football get Chinese citizenship. That is the most obvious thing Argentina can use in a trade agreement.
Probably just Messi alone.......Wonder how much he worth now that he is close to 40?
Not a soccer player, it's a resource. Argentina is a resource-rich country with a diverse economy
  • Agricultural resources: Argentina is a major producer of agricultural products, including beef, wheat, corn, soybeans, and wine.
  • Mineral resources: Argentina has significant mineral resources, including oil, gas, iron ore, copper, lead, zinc, and uranium.
 
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They can choose to exchange goods. Use Argentina's resources in exchange for fighter aircraft.




Not a soccer player, it's a resource. Argentina is a resource-rich country with a diverse economy
  • Agricultural resources: Argentina is a major producer of agricultural products, including beef, wheat, corn, soybeans, and wine.
  • Mineral resources: Argentina has significant mineral resources, including oil, gas, iron ore, copper, lead, zinc, and uranium.
My family have farm in the mid west US, do you know how much agricultural product to make 1 millions dollars?

Let me tell you this, a single metric ton of soybean is around $500-$600 US Dollar per tons, 1 million dollars' worth of soybean would mean 1666 tons of soybean. A shipping container charter is going to be 40 tons that's 41 container worth, and rental itself is about $1400 per container. Then you would have to ship it from Argentina to China, which mean you either go thru Panama and then transit thru pacific or transit thru horn of Africa and then toward Indian Ocean and approximately 30 days journey So you are talking about $300,000-$350,000 for that 1600 tons soybean just shipping alone easy. And Argentina is not going to pay for it, because they don't have money

On the other hand, unless you are suggesting the worker in those Chinese factory that's making those JHF-17 is paid with Oil, Copper or what not, you would have to have a way to fence those item before you can pay your worker with, and that's also added on associated cost.

again, my suggestion? Stick to soccer player, the shipping is just a first class ticket away.
 
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My family have farm in the mid west US, do you know how much agricultural product to make 1 millions dollars?

Let me tell you this, a single metric ton of soybean is around $500-$600 US Dollar per tons, 1 million dollars' worth of soybean would mean 1666 tons of soybean. A shipping container charter is going to be 40 tons that's 41 container worth, and rental itself is about $1400 per container. Then you would have to ship it from Argentina to China, which mean you either go thru Panama and then transit thru pacific or transit thru horn of Africa and then toward Indian Ocean and approximately 30 days journey So you are talking about $300,000-$350,000 for that 1600 tons soybean just shipping alone easy. And Argentina is not going to pay for it, because they don't have money

On the other hand, unless you are suggesting the worker in those Chinese factory that's making those JHF-17 is paid with Oil, Copper or what not, you would have to have a way to fence those item before you can pay your worker with, and that's also added on associated cost.

again, my suggestion? Stick to soccer player, the shipping is just a first class ticket away.

It is actually not that expensive shipping containers from Buenos Aires to China.

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You could probably buy the containers for $2000. The max weight for a 40’ container is 28800 kg according to a web page so You need 58 containers.
The shipping cost will be $590/28,8 = $22/ton.

You somehow need to ship the containers back to Argentina - unless you build the containers in Argentina and sell them as used after arrival in China.

There is probably a lot of stuff that needs to be shipped from China to South America so there may be surplus container capacity.
 
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With 100% inflation in Argentina, I think this is a seriously stupid decision. They should worry about their economy rather than buying any fancy jets.
They are calling Argentina a beggars country. 104% inflation and 1 in 4 in poverty. 1 dollar is 500 pesos.
 
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It is actually not that expensive shipping containers from Buenos Aires to China.

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You could probably buy the containers for $2000. The max weight for a 40’ container is 28800 kg according to a web page so You need 58 containers.
The shipping cost will be $590/28,8 = $22/ton.

You somehow need to ship the containers back to Argentina - unless you build the containers in Argentina and sell them as used after arrival in China.

There is probably a lot of stuff that needs to be shipped from China to South America so there may be surplus container capacity.
You will need 50 - 60 container, that alone will cost you around 40000 just that one way, and 590 is very cheap probably last minute rate, I don't know why Mearsk is offering that amount, it usually around 1000+ per container, and then as you said unless you sell those container when they arrived, you have to ship it back to the original destination, that's double that price, and then you don't just pay those fee and it's done, you still need to pay custom clearing on both end (Which may be waived in this case), that's around $200 per container and any storage fee you have on port authority. And then the container alone cost you money, IIRC it cost around $2or $3 a day to hire one and around $3000-$10000 if you buy one.

My family have company in China, and we ship a lot of iron/steel product overseas, it used to cost us around US$5000 per 40 ft container end to end to the US.
 
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China will demand that the Argentinian National team in football get Chinese citizenship. That is the most obvious thing Argentina can use in a trade agreement.
some shameless characters might do that to compensate for lack of their soccer skills :enjoy:

I hope Argentines have finally decided to join OBOR and the BRICS. Once their economy gets revived

still the Pakistani, North Korean and Myanmar economies are waiting for revival :D

They can choose to exchange goods. Use Argentina's resources in exchange for fighter aircraft.

They can buy things a little bit more useful than a 3rd rate combat aircraft
 
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