New Delhi will only discuss Pakistan-controlled Kashmir, says Indian envoy

[pakdefender]

and Islamabad will only discuss Indian-occupied Kashmir

 

[Zibago]

Who send tribes men into Kashmir to occupy Kashmir in 1947? kabutar ???



They are separate as per Pakistnis

Who rebelled against dogras kabotars or local volunteers and veterans of British Army from the regions that makeup Azad Kashmir?

 

[ito]

That was quick! As I said a long time ago, Hindustan wants Pakistan dismembered. Commander coward tried to get a deal by selling us to the Hindustanis but they rejected it. Alarm bells start ringing in GHQ and realized what the HIndustanis really want, all these talks are for show to Christendom that they're ''civilized''.

Only the Ulima-Ikram can resolve the problem in Kashmir, Siachen, Water, etc. No one else!

Message to the secularists, liberals; anymore trash talk? You people don't know who you're dealing with, we do! And one more thing to you idiots, you keep talking about a ''limited'' war with Hindustan as if you have some kind of a playground fight you got set-up. The next war WILL be a full-scale war whether you want to believe it or not, it's going to happen.

Hindustan is being prepared for war from ALL Christendom countries, look at the nuclear deal, American fighter engine T-o-T, smart weapons, fighters, warships, anti-ballistic systems. They need gurantees from Christendom that they can stop our nukes and if they get that, then it's on.

Here is another news flash, we're NOT getting any Cobras, and yet they supplied them with Apaches. They have Poisidon and we got outdated junk P3-Orion.

WOW! A madrassa guy is teaching you OUR reality! Accept it or deny it, makes no difference.

Like i said, 2016 will be a tough year for us.

By the way who is Ulima-Ikram????

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

India's representative to Pakistan said on Monday that his country was only prepared to discuss the part of Kashmir controlled by Islamabad in upcoming peace talks

'If wishes were ancient Hindu inter-galactic spaceships, Modi would have one flying up his arse right now' ...

The Indian government and/or its representatives can say what they want for public consumption, the discussion on Kashmir, if it occurs, will encompass Indian Occupied Kashmir as well, or there isn't going to be any 'India-Pakistan dialog'.

 

[ito]

Who rebelled against dogras kabotars or local volunteers and veterans of British Army from the regions that makeup Azad Kashmir?

There was no rebellion. Even if there was...Pakistan has no business interfering in it.

 

[Sharpshooter12]

Whether we get somewhere or not will largely depend on what Pakistan thinks can be legitimately achieved in these talks. Pipe dreams are a no-no.

As far as the HC's statement goes, it is the Indian position & the possible reason for stating it as clearly is that the Pakistani HC in India is up to his old tricks. A reminder that two can play the game won't hurt

We all know nothing can be achieved on Kashmir right away. If that is your stated policy then you already know the Pakistani state policy that Kashmiris should get their right to a plebiscite, on both side of the LOC.

Having said that only plausible solution that I can think of is that you keep Jammu, we keep GB and Kashmir is made an independent state. Otherwise jahan 67 saal guzray 100 aur guzar jayen toh kya.

That was a quick! As I said a long time ago, Hindustan wants Pakistan dismembered. Commander coward tried to get a deal by selling us to the Hindustanis but they rejected it. Alarm bells start ringing in GHQ and realized what the HIndustanis really want, all these talks are for show to Christendom that they're ''civilized''.

Only the Ulima-Ikram can resolve the problem in Kashmir, Siachen, Water, etc. No one else!

Message to the secularists, liberals; anymore trash talk? You people don't know who you're dealing with, we do! And one more thing to you idiots, you keep talking about a ''limited'' war with Hindustan as if you have some kind of a playground fight you got set-up. The next war WILL be a full-scale war whether you want to believe it or not, it's going to happen.

Hindustan is being prepared for war from ALL Christendom countries, look at the nuclear deal, American fighter engine T-o-T, smart weapons.

Here is another news flash, we're NOT getting any Cobras, and yet they supplied them with Apaches. They have Poisidon and we got outdated junk P3-Orion.

WOW! A madrassa guy is teaching you OUR reality! Accept it or deny it, makes no difference.

Like i said, 2016 will be a tough year for us.

Got it, enemy is upon us, kado oyee bandukan.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Peace can only happen around the status quo. Or some version slightly changed from it. Nothing more. Those who think India will give up territory, in Kashmir or elsewhere, are being seriously delusional. There is no point in saying that one wants peace but the price for peace is a part of someone else's house. Makes no sense.

Even dialog over the status quo or a slightly changed version will involve discussing the territory under Indian control, so statements such as the ones made by the Indian Ambassador are correctly described as 'hurdles and setbacks' to India-Pakistan dialog' and serve only to inflame public sentiment which in turn results in less room for the respective governments to actually engage in substantive negotiations on dispute resolution.

 

[Bang Galore]

and Islamabad will only discuss Indian-occupied Kashmir

Exactly. That's the fun part of discussing Kashmir.

On a serious note, Kashmir will not seriously be discussed in any formal manner except for deciding on & working out CBM's. The discussions, if any, will be carried out through unofficial channels alone. Official channels will merely reiterate the existing positions & put out communiques that say that there has been a "free & frank discussion", usually an euphemism to talking at each other on this issue.

 

[ito]

'If wishes were ancient Hindu inter-galactic spaceships, Modi would have one flying up his arse right now' ...

The Indian government and/or its representatives can say what they want for public consumption, the discussion on Kashmir, if it occurs, will encompass Indian Occupied Kashmir as well, or there isn't going to be any 'India-Pakistan dialog'.

It is not that easy in India, like it is in Pakistan. Very few things in India are secret. Government cannot say one thing and do another on such important thing as Kashmir. Opposition will tear apart the Government.

 

[Sharpshooter12]

There was no rebellion. Even if there was...Pakistan has no business interfering in it.

Talking about morality or we. Then India had no business in Junagadh and Hyderabad either, but you did interfere didn't you.

 

[Kal Muah]

'If wishes were ancient Hindu inter-galactic spaceships, Modi would have one flying up his arse right now' ...

The Indian government and/or its representatives can say what they want for public consumption, the discussion on Kashmir, if it occurs, will encompass Indian Occupied Kashmir as well, or there isn't going to be any 'India-Pakistan dialog'.

Sir, bringing religion into every discussion is the habit of every people from Pakistan? Coming to your last line of no talks between India-Pakistan, India have always maintained that stand, its the government of Islamic Republic of Pakistan that is hell bent on having talks with India.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Only the Ulima-Ikram can resolve the problem in Kashmir, Siachen, Water, etc. No one else!

By destroying Pakistan so the Indians can just waltz in to take over and 'resolve the disputes' right?

What are these 'Ulema Ikram' going to resolve the issue with? Let's see, since even some whispers of ending the persecution of Ahmadis was responsible for massive earthquakes in Pakistan, these Ulema-Ikram will just massacre all Ahmadis (and maybe all the Shia, just to be safe) and a massive earthquake will hit India instead, killing only the Hindus and pro-India Muslims, and allowing the Ulema-Ikram to waltz into India to conquer it on their donkeys wielding infidel designed and invented weapons.

There was no rebellion. Even if there was...Pakistan has no business interfering in it.

That argument, from India at least, is invalid given India's forcible annexations of Junagadh, Munavadh (that had acceded to Pakistan) and later Hyderabad (whose ruler had not acceded to any country).

 

[ito]

Talking about morality or we. Then India had no business in Junagadh and Hyderabad either, but you did interfere didn't you.

There is no use bringing in Junagadh and Hyderabad.

 

[Bang Galore]

Even dialog over the status quo or a slightly changed version will involve discussing the territory under Indian control, so statements such as the ones made by the Indian Ambassador are correctly described as 'hurdles and setbacks' to India-Pakistan dialog' and serve only to inflame public sentiment which in turn results in less room for the respective governments to actually engage in substantive negotiations on dispute resolution.

Not really. There will be no territorial concessions. What will be discussed, if that , are elements of the Musharraf-MMS formula which had discussions on additional autonomy & possible freer movement of people in both sides of Kashmir.

As far as inflaming public sentiments goes, maybe you should just read up on what the Pakistan HC has been up to. That when the GoI was still making its position clear in parliament & having to deal with a very cynical public opinion. What's good for the goose must be so for the gander. Either a decision has been taken to allow these type of actions or the Indian side is responding to what it sees as an Pakistan attempt to create trouble.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Sir, bringing religion into every discussion is the habit of every people from Pakistan? Coming to your last line of no talks between India-Pakistan, India have always maintained that stand, its the government of Islamic Republic of Pakistan that is hell bent on having talks with India.

So did someone put a gun to Modi's head to engage in talks with Pakistan?

Modi shouldn't have had his little chat with Sharif in Paris, the NSA's shouldn't have met in Bangalore, and Sushma shouldn't have traveled to Pakistan - tell your government to first make up its own mind.

Not really. There will be no territorial concessions. What will be discussed if that is elements of the Musharraf-MMS formula which had discussions on additional autonomy & possible freer movement of people in both sides of Kashmir.

Which involves discussing both parts of Kashmir, Indian and Pakistani controlled, as I pointed out.

As far as inflaming public sentiments goes, maybe you should just read up on what the Pakistan HC has been up to. When the GoI was still making its position clear in parliament & having to deal with a very cynical public opinion. What's good for the goose must be so for the gander. Either a decision has been taken to allow these type of actions or the Indian side is responding to what it sees as an Pakistan attempt to create trouble.

What was the Pakistan HC 'up to'?