Netanyahu unviels evidence about Iran's Nuke program

[raptor22]

The strange thing is that both the US and Israel have nukes. And the USA is the only country in the history of the Earth to have ever used nuclear weapons on civilian populations. Twice.

Frankly I consider the USA with nuclear weapons a much bigger threat than Iran (or any other country) with nuclear weapons.

Especially when the American President boasts of nuclear war and the size of his nuclear button at the drop of a hat:

If the world ends tomorrow due to nuclear war... it was probably Donald Trump and the USA that did it.

You wanna trust a nation? trust the one that was attacked by CW and had 100k casualties and didn't retaliate .
And you wanna know to not trust which country? those who provided political and intelligence + chemical weapons for Saddam and then attacked him in 2003 for WMD.

 

[Gomig-21]

My god, thank you, I was thinking the same thing when I watched this ridiculous shit show that was tailor made for the gullible American public. Did you guys see the picture of the warehouse????? Did you guys think what kind of an idiot would store Top Secret info in an unguarded warehouse like that? Are we really that incompetent? So we are clever enough to make nukes but dumb enough to hide the evidence in that warehouse? Gimme a freaking break.

You know what's interesting, it doesn't look like everyone is actually buying it. Even CNN is all over it and all their "panels" are saying there was nothing new about what was presented and even went as far as to say it was a show by Netanyahu. He spoke in English instead of Hebrew making it really obvious who the intended audience is and they really were all over it. So I think most of the ones who follow what's happening actually understand what's going on.

This was a cheaply made presentation to the American public. To justify the bloodshed that is coming.

It's pretty frightening to think of the prospect of that bloodshed. There is far worst harm than positive that will come out of that. I hope they come to their senses and someone takes Trump and Netanyahu and smacks some sense in the two of them. That region does not need any more violence than it's already embroiled in.

I would. I am a highly educated professional. My colleagues have Fox News on in the lounge constantly. And have very strong opinions on political topics. If I take the time to parse their knowledge of the Middle East and its intricacies, they are CLUELESS. And yet continue to harbor their strong opinions.

Even the clued ones will still support the narrative. That's the scary part. You have to wonder if any of these people actually realize the similar pattern to Iraq, and that more would have a different opinion because of that?

 

[Blue In Green]

You know what's interesting, it doesn't look like everyone is actually buying it. Even CNN is all over it and all their "panels" are saying there was nothing new about what was presented and even went as far as to say it was a show by Netanyahu. He spoke in English instead of Hebrew making it really obvious who the intended audience is and they really were all over it. So I think most of the ones who follow what's happening actually understand what's going on.



It's pretty frightening to think of the prospect of that bloodshed. There is far worst harm than positive that will come out of that. I hope they come to their senses and someone takes Trump and Netanyahu and smacks some sense in the two of them. That region does not need any more violence than it's already embroiled in.



Even the clued ones will still support the narrative. That's the scary part. You have to wonder if any of these people actually realize the similar pattern to Iraq, and that more would have a different opinion because of that?

I still can't get over the assertion that Israel somehow infiltrated a secret Tehran building that housed all of Irans nuclear weapons knowhow.

 

[Gomig-21]

I still can't get over the assertion that Israel somehow infiltrated a secret Tehran building that housed all of Irans nuclear weapons knowhow.

I bet you all that stuff was the copies of the information given to the Obama administration by the Iranians during the making of the JCPOA for disclosure as part of reaching an agreement. Then the US shared that material with the Israelis to show them the justification for the agreement and these are the copies the Israelis had lol.

 

[Blue In Green]

I bet you all that stuff was the copies of the information given to the Obama administration by the Iranians during the making of the JCPOA for disclosure as part of reaching an agreement. Then the US shared that material with the Israelis to show them the justification for the agreement and these are the copies the Israelis had lol.

All of this seems sad on the part of Netanyahu/Israel as his, with no exaggeration, entire foreign policy platform is based on the demonization Iran/Iranians/Iranian culture and the supposed Iranian nuclear threat.

 

[Kastor]

All of this seems sad on the part of Netanyahu/Israel as his, with no exaggeration, entire foreign policy platform is based on the demonization Iran/Iranians/Iranian culture and the supposed Iranian nuclear threat.

Have you ever seen a leader of a country come on tv hold a mike and pull covers of cabinets like a game show host and accuse another nation of "Lies"....? The irony that's lost in of all of this is that the man who is doing the screaming has been accused by world leaders as a big liar himself......on video no less

 

[WordsMatter]

Get real....they voted a tv show host into office. They just voted for the biggest permanent corp tax cut in history when the economy was already firing on all cylinders, also the middle-class tax cuts will expire in 7 yrs. We got Bolton as NSA...lol. A guy that has never served in the intelligence community. He also made the country's spy chief our top diplomat. You don't know Shit from Shinola

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-nearly-8-in-10-americans-believe-in-angels/

That means what? You elected the buffoon Ahmadinejad, you have a mullah running the government, have incompetent aghazadehs and basijis running the country to the ground. Like you guys are doing any better? have you looked at some of your institutions? All murderers, geriatric mullahs, thieves and morons. First start with your own house then criticize others. You guys don't even consider women human beings. You refer to them as whores, so stuff the moral high ground.

Can you really trust the Jews?

WTF

 

[Cthulhu]

They even have videos from Iran's alleged nuclear sites which Benjamin used in his presentation, LOL! Israeli "Spies" must took those videos with their IPhones.

 

[M.AsfandYar]

That means what? You elected the buffoon Ahmadinejad, you have a mullah running the government, have incompetent aghazadehs and basijis running the country to the ground. Like you guys are doing any better? have you looked at some of your institutions? All murderers, geriatric mullahs, thieves and morons. First start with your own house then criticize others. You guys don't even consider women human beings. You refer to them as whores, so stuff the moral high ground.

You just proved @Avicenna right.

 

[mohsen]

Let me add another evidence:

 

[WordsMatter]

You just proved @Avicenna right.

??? Not sure I get your point.

 

[Aramagedon]

What about Islamic nuclear umbrella by Iran?

 

[Solomon2]

Well exactly which part of Iran nuclear program look like a military program

Iran Atomic Archive

Press Statement
Mike Pompeo
Washington, DC
April 30, 2018



For many years, the Iranian regime has insisted to the world that its nuclear program was peaceful. The documents obtained by Israel from inside of Iran show beyond any doubt that the Iranian regime was not telling the truth. I have personally reviewed many of the Iranian files. Our nonproliferation and intelligence officials have been analyzing tens of thousands of pages and translating them from Farsi. This analytical work will continue for many months. We assess that the documents we have reviewed are authentic.

The documents show that Iran had a secret nuclear weapons program for years. Iran sought to develop nuclear weapons and missile delivery systems. Iran hid a vast atomic archive from the world and from the IAEA — until today.

Among the flaws of the Iran nuclear deal was the whitewashing of Iran’s illicit activities related to its military nuclear program. Iran had many opportunities over the years to turn over its files to international inspectors from the IAEA and admit its nuclear weapons work. Instead, they lied to the IAEA repeatedly. They also lied about their program to the six nations who negotiated the Iran nuclear deal. What this means is the deal was not constructed on a foundation of good faith or transparency. It was built on Iran’s lies. Iran’s nuclear deception is inconsistent with Iran’s pledge in the nuclear deal “that under no circumstances will Iran ever seek, develop, or acquire any nuclear weapons.”

We are therefore assessing what the discovery of Iran’s secret nuclear files means for the future of the JCPOA. Allowing restrictions on Iran’s nuclear program to sunset was a mistake. One has to ask: Why exactly was Iran hiding half a ton of nuclear weaponization files while implementing the Iran deal? It is worth recalling that from 2006-2015, Iran was prohibited by Security Council resolutions from enriching any nuclear material. Now that the world knows Iran has lied and is still lying, it is time to revisit the question of whether Iran can be trusted to enrich or control any nuclear material. As the President’s May 12 deadline to fix the Iran deal approaches, I will be consulting with our European allies and other nations on the best way forward in light of what we now know about Iran’s past pursuit of nuclear weapons and its systematic deception of the world.

 

[raptor22]

Iran Atomic Archive

Press Statement
Mike Pompeo
Washington, DC
April 30, 2018



For many years, the Iranian regime has insisted to the world that its nuclear program was peaceful. The documents obtained by Israel from inside of Iran show beyond any doubt that the Iranian regime was not telling the truth. I have personally reviewed many of the Iranian files. Our nonproliferation and intelligence officials have been analyzing tens of thousands of pages and translating them from Farsi. This analytical work will continue for many months. We assess that the documents we have reviewed are authentic.

The documents show that Iran had a secret nuclear weapons program for years. Iran sought to develop nuclear weapons and missile delivery systems. Iran hid a vast atomic archive from the world and from the IAEA — until today.

Among the flaws of the Iran nuclear deal was the whitewashing of Iran’s illicit activities related to its military nuclear program. Iran had many opportunities over the years to turn over its files to international inspectors from the IAEA and admit its nuclear weapons work. Instead, they lied to the IAEA repeatedly. They also lied about their program to the six nations who negotiated the Iran nuclear deal. What this means is the deal was not constructed on a foundation of good faith or transparency. It was built on Iran’s lies. Iran’s nuclear deception is inconsistent with Iran’s pledge in the nuclear deal “that under no circumstances will Iran ever seek, develop, or acquire any nuclear weapons.”

We are therefore assessing what the discovery of Iran’s secret nuclear files means for the future of the JCPOA. Allowing restrictions on Iran’s nuclear program to sunset was a mistake. One has to ask: Why exactly was Iran hiding half a ton of nuclear weaponization files while implementing the Iran deal? It is worth recalling that from 2006-2015, Iran was prohibited by Security Council resolutions from enriching any nuclear material. Now that the world knows Iran has lied and is still lying, it is time to revisit the question of whether Iran can be trusted to enrich or control any nuclear material. As the President’s May 12 deadline to fix the Iran deal approaches, I will be consulting with our European allies and other nations on the best way forward in light of what we now know about Iran’s past pursuit of nuclear weapons and its systematic deception of the world.

Let's go through Netanyahu's dog-and-pony show. As you will see, everything he said was already known to the IAEA and published in IAEA GOV/2015/68 (2015). There is literally nothing new here and nothing that changes the wisdom of the JCPOA. 1/10


Let's start with the introduction. Netanyahu tells us that Iran's covert nuclear weapons program was called "Project Amad." Sounds scary. The IAEA, however, has already described Project Amad by name and in great detail in ¶ 22. 2/10


Netanyahu describes Iran's development of a nuclear weapons design, specifically implosion simulations. That's very bad. Also, that's old news. The IAEA assessed that "Iran conducted computer modelling of a nuclear explosive device" in ¶ 58-62. 3/10



Netanyahu also mentioned that Iran was developing an ability to cast uranium cores. The scoundrels! Again, the IAEA documented Iran's "preparatory work, not involving nuclear material, for the fabrication of uranium components for a nuclear explosive device" in ¶ 33-35. 4/10



Netanyahu also mentioned that Iran was designing a multipoint initiation (MPI) system. Not nice! But not new. The IAEA described Iran's MPI efforts and assessed that "the MPI technology developed by Iran has characteristics relevant to a nuclear explosive device" in ¶ 41-46. 5/10



And Netanyahu mentioned preparations for a nuclear test which would upset our friends at the CTBTO. But they know that already because the IAEA noted Iran's "preparatory experimentation relevant to testing a nuclear explosive device" in ¶ 66-68. 6/10



And finally, Netanyahu said Iran was integrating a warhead for the Shahab-3. Again, the IAEA described "work conducted in Iran ... to examine how to integrate a new spherical payload into the existing payload chamber of the re-entry vehicle for the Shahab 3 missile ..." 7/10



By the way, IAEA GOV/2015/68 documents lots of other weapons work that Netanyahu didn't mention. That is why the IAEA concluded in ¶ 87 that Iran had a "coordinated effort" to conduct "a range of activities relevant to the development of a nuclear explosive device." 8/10

In other words, there is nothing new here. We all know Iran had a nuclear weapons program until 2003, and that some activities continued. That is precisely *why* the E3/EU+3 negotiated the JCPOA -- to stop Iran's nuclear weapons program. 9/10

Conversely, if Trump kills the JCPOA, then Iran is likely to revive the nuclear weapons program that Netanyahu just showed in pornographic detail. If you like a nuclear-armed North Korea, you are going to LOVE walking away from the Iran nuclear deal. 10/10
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So the 2003 bomb design presented by Bibi fits in Iran's pre-2004 Nodong/Shahab-3 nosecone, but not any of the post-2004 missiles, which use the "baby bottle" geometry. i.e. the extended range Ghadr missiles Bibi highlighted later in his presentation.



An important detail, which suggests that only #Iran's old Shahab-3 is designed to be nuclear capable. In other words, one of Netanyahu's main arguments is refuted by his own evidence,

 

[Solomon2]

Let's go through Netanyahu's dog-and-pony show. As you will see, everything he said was already known to the IAEA -

That's the line being fielded by the pro-JCPOA crowd, certainly. But the IAEA based its reports on about 1,000 documents while Israel has 54,000 more. The IAEA had nothing like the details Israel now has in its possession, not all of which were revealed in the "d&p show". And these details, the depth of Iran's WMD program, make the difference:

BENNY AVNI

OPINION

Iran’s past lies are very important now
By Benny Avni
April 30, 2018 | 6:05pm | Updated

AP

Critics of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s “Iran Lied” presentation on Monday quickly opined that it contained nothing new and, since it didn’t point to violations since the 2015 Iran deal, it in fact showed Tehran is in full compliance.

The stunning display of a half ton worth of documents and computer files that Israeli intelligence managed to somehow steal from Iran is a trove that would be devoured by intelligence agencies and international inspectors — and they’re unlikely to just look for signs of “something new.”

Why? “To know your future you must know your past,” said the ever-quotable philosopher George Santayana.

Can we really trust we know Iran’s current nuclear status without accounting for what happened in the past? Not according to some who know how nuclear inspections actually work. It’s difficult to say whether Iran is advancing in its nuclear program without completely accounting for what it did before.

As Olli Heinonen, a former deputy director of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said in a press call shortly before the Iran deal was signed, “When the agreement comes in force, there will be a complete declaration by Iran on its . . . past and current nuclear program. That’s the first prerequisite.”

Well, Iran never actually agreed to make such a declaration. Although the IAEA professionals know such accounting is necessary, American and European negotiators didn’t insist on it.

Instead, they bought generalized public declarations by Iranian officials. As Netanyahu showed in his presentation, those included statements by Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, President Hassan Rouhani and the ever-smiling Foreign Minister Javad Zarif. All said pursuing nuclear bombs is, literally, against their religion.

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In fact, in order to sell the deal to the American public, American officials, led by Secretary of State John Kerry, even highlighted a religious edict, a fatwa, Khamenei supposedly issued to that effect.

And so, Iran never actually gave the IAEA, charged with inspecting its compliance with the deal, a full accounting of past nuclear activity. In addition, in some cases, as when inspectors attempted to visit the Parchin military base, Iran allowed only very limited access to suspected sites.

How would we know what Iran initially did at Parchin? “A comprehensive understanding of [past] work [there] is critical to setting a baseline for effective monitoring to ensure early detection if Iran resumes work on nuclear weapons,” Heinonen wrote last year in an essay with other proliferation experts.

Exposing Iran’s past lies is an important tool for inspectors in their pursuit of current truths.

On Monday Netanyahu said the new trove contains evidence that Iran’s Project Amad was “a comprehensive program to design, build and test 5 warheads, each with 10 kilotons TNT yield, for integration on a missile.”

Did the program go away after the JCPOA was enacted? If so, the 2015 deal deserves the accolades of those who continue chiming that the Iranian are “in compliance.”

But after establishing that the deal was based on past Iranian lies, and presenting new documentation to back it up, Netanyahu sounds more credible when he assesses that Iran is storing the material in a secret place “to use at a time of its choice to develop nuclear weapons.”

Especially that Tehran refuses to make the former head of the Amad Project, Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, available for inspectors’ interviews. (Fakhrizadeh, a major player in Iran’s military research, is designated by the United Nations for international sanctions.)

The more we know about how Iran deceived us in the past about the depth of its program and its true intentions, the less we can confidently argue that Iran is currently in “full compliance.”

Netanyahu made his presentation after hosting new Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in Israel and after concluding a telephone call with President Trump Saturday. Contrary to instant commentary, Trump was not the target audience for the drama. Netanyahu made clear the US, as well as other close allies, already have the material Israel unearthed (the IAEA will get it soon, he added.)

Instead, by giving a pause to those, especially in Europe, who maintain that the nuclear deal is “working,” he forced them to try harder to “fix” the JCPOA if they want Trump not to “nix” it.

The deadline is May 12. Tick tock.