Biden dramatically scales up the pressure on Netanyahu

[Goenitz]

Palestine, Afghanistan, South-Africa, come to mind.

PLM of Yasir Arafat stopped violence but still didn't get a liberated/independent Palestine.!!
Then hamas was born.

Afghans cannot back down, they are tribal people. So a very special case.

@denel
Brother did ever S.Africans have armed struggle? Or they get civil rights without firing a bullet? I mean though there was apartheid, but was the govt killing civilians and confiscating properties? I mean can we draw parallel between S.Africa and Isreal?

 

[PeaceGen]

PLM of Yasir Arafat stopped violence but still didn't get a liberated/independent Palestine.!!
Then hamas was born.

Afghans cannot back down, they are tribal people. So a very special case.

@denel
Brother did ever S.Africans have armed struggle? Or they get civil rights without fighting bullet? I mean though there was apartheid, but was the govt killing civilians and confiscating properties? I mean can we draw parallel between S.Africa to Isreal?

The South-African blacks and Mandela acted against white oppression with patience and peaceful resistance.
I believe this helped them gain their liberty and equality sooner.

The Afghans are a divided people, with the Taliban being the oppressors, and the liberals as seekers of personal freedom.

The Palestinians, prior to Arafat, showed the Israelis nothing but hatred. "Drive all Israelis into the sea" ring a bell?
So they must now show more patience and wisdom than the South Africans did, to gain their independence.
They could for instance negotiate for new lands from Jordan and Egypt on the borders of Israel.

Fact is, both the Israelis and the Palestinians have a population growth problem that's not going away.
They'll *both* need new territory. And with modern desalinasation techniques, which can even be done on sunlight alone (Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community), these lands *can* be acquired in exchange for good deals on farming products grown on lands that would be prepared for farming.

 

[Trango Towers]

The Muslims living there are equal citizens. You are no one to tell them to go anywhere. They are going to make their voices heard, whether anyone likes it or not. You and your opinion don’t even count as you are not a citizen of those countries.

I Hope so

 

[Trango Towers]

Biden and nethyahu are best mates.
American president are slaves of the Jews

In the word of ariel Sharon

We the Jews run America and the Americans know it

 

[mudas777]

you're completely wrong. if the Palestinians would not use violence, they can use diplomacy.
their use of violence has been proven futile every single time it was tried.
with diplomacy, borders could have been negotiated and shifted while enjoying peace and prosperity.
with hatred, only suffering was gained.

we can not prevent the suffering that was already endured, but we can prevent future suffering.

if the palestinians would have accepted the arrival of the jews and israel without resorting to violence at all, then new borders could have been negotiated while enjoying peace and prosperity.

i find the violent-minded pride of the Palestinians and their supporters entirely counter-productive for the Palestinian and Israeli people.

Yeah give me your address and i will come over and take your home and all the properties and throw your family on the road and let see how peaceful you will be. When your family is sitting on the road and then come over with the gun and attack them with the gun butts for the fun of it. Then i want to hear your poetry.

 

[PeaceGen]

Yeah give me your address and i will come over and take your home and all the properties and throw your family on the road and let see how peaceful you will be. When your family is sitting on the road and then come over with the gun and attack them with the gun butts for the fun of it. Then i want to hear your poetry.

only fools use violence when the return is only more suffering.
smart people foster alternative solutions.

 

[mudas777]

only fools use violence when the return is only more suffering.
smart people foster alternative solutions.

Do the preaching elsewhere and keep on living in the la la world.

 

[PakFactor]

Where should Indians Muslims go, as Dehli is supporting Israel overall, not this aggression though? Or US/UK/Sweden/NL Christians/atheists etc who support Palestinians cause?

Indian Muslims should ask Asad Uddin Owais that sell out should have an answer for them.

 

[khansaheeb]

Biden dramatically scales up the pressure on Netanyahu as decades-long relationship faces its most consequential moment

President Joe Biden on Wednesday dramatically escalated his public pressure on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to end the fighting with Hamas that has stretched into a 10th day, as their decades-long relationship faces a stern test.

edition.cnn.com

i'd like to add that the US has in the past put a real limit on Israeli leader's desires to end Hamas completely.
and that the CNN page for the above article also has a real honest and detailed historical record of how this current conflict, that sadly has cost so many innocent Palestinian casualties, started and evolved.

the ball is now in Netanyahu's and his friends' corner.
they must decide if they want to continue this bloody asymetrical response when it's now in the open that it is Israeli expansionist settler attitudes triggered a honestly legitimate trigger in Hamas to defend Palestine from ever more strangling and inhumane settlement expansion techniques.

--forwarded this by email to a bunch of international media and political parties.

Any pressure the US needs to show by stopping money and arms into Israel, imposing a no fly zone and holding a war crimes tribunal.

 

[PakFactor]

Give it 30 days when things cool down people will forget. That’s when the cleaning will start, and none will know. Next time around the Israelis will be able to control the narrative better.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

IMO it is Netanyahu who is doing Biden a political favour by agreeing to a ceasefire.

Biden USA has never has nor has any real will to control Israel.

The approval of sales of arm to Israel proved that that some form of collusion between USA and Israel.
in UNSC it is USA versus 14 other members.

While Blinken is trying very hard to take the lead and the peacemaker role from China, the facts remain most Middle Eastern nations do not trusts USA as a neutral party.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

All this violence was initiated by that cunning psychopath Netanyahu as a campaign to delay his outsed from Prime minister office and he got success in it. Now rather than stepping down, they will be holding fresh elections which will give him yet another chance to form a govt. There was no ground incrusion as it was never planned.

 

[antonius123]

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This is disinformation.

The green area in the first map on the left means belong to British Mandate, nothing to do with Palestine state.

 

[Goenitz]

The South-African blacks and Mandela acted against white oppression with patience and peaceful resistance.
I believe this helped them gain their liberty and equality sooner.

Though I didn't get an insight from the denel, but I can safely say that SA and Isreal-Palestine are totally different cases. You cannot compare atrocities of Israel to SA govt towards its people, except the apartheid.

The Afghans are a divided people, with the Taliban being the oppressors, and the liberals as seekers of personal freedom.

Talibans are not oppressing people but belongs to majority ethnic group. They were severe in their actions, which was both good or bad. Like, the general punishment of adultery, I guess that was not needed. However, the fear of cultivating opium was great too that during Taliban reign, heroine production hit zero.

The Palestinians, prior to Arafat, showed the Israelis nothing but hatred. "Drive all Israelis into the sea" ring a bell?
So they must now show more patience and wisdom than the South Africans did, to gain their independence.

So why Palestinian didn't get their freedom during Arafat time?

They could for instance negotiate for new lands from Jordan and Egypt on the borders of Israel.

Fact is, both the Israelis and the Palestinians have a population growth problem that's not going away.
They'll *both* need new territory. And with modern desalinasation techniques, which can even be done on sunlight alone (Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community), these lands *can* be acquired in exchange for good deals on farming products grown on lands that would be prepared for farming.

So that is your offering if they opt for 'peace'? New lands in new country to create more political problems?

BTW, Libya opted for peace, gave away their nuclear weapons, what did they get? Bombardment from France, so EU can get uninterrupted gas supply.!!!!! @jamahir

 

[jamahir]

BTW, Libya opted for peace, gave away their nuclear weapons, what did they get? Bombardment from France, so EU can get uninterrupted gas supply.!!!!! @jamahir

Bombardment not just from France but from all the air forces and navies of NATO + GCC + invasion by the thousands of cockroach terrorists they created. This was I think the biggest military invasion alliance in history.

And the aim was not just cheaper petrochemicals but the end of yet another progressive Muslim-majority country and a major historic supporter of progressive activism in the world and a proposer of solutions to the various political problems created by Western governments. Meaning, Libya was a total irritant for Western governments. You should watch this speech of Gaddafi in 2009 in the UNO General Assembly where he proposes or reiterates various solutions. It is a long speech - 1 hour 38 minutes - but worth listening.