Nearly 100 People Still Missing After Condo Building Collapses in Florida, Officials Reveal

[52051]

The collapse of a entire building happened much less common in China than it is in the US. Especially considering the fact China built more buildings in 3 years than the US in an entire century.

 

[Han Patriot]

Washington Post. missing doesn’t mean missing in the rubble but simply residents they haven’t been able to contact so far.

Researcher: High-rise that collapsed was sinking, due for recertification

The 12-story beachfront condominium tower in Miami-Dade County that collapsed early Thursday morning was built in 1981 on reclaimed wetlands and a Florida International University researcher told USA Today that the building had been sinking at an alarming rate.

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Yup I am sure humans can survive a week without eating and drinking.

The collapse of a entire building happened much less common in China than it is in the US. Especially considering the fact China built more buildings in 3 years than the US in an entire century.

If this was China, we would've been skewered, but cheerleaders being cheerleaders would come up with excuses whenever the Holy land is mentioned.

You know how traumatic kids masturbate to sleep? It's exactly liike this.

Already in post #22

Hey, which pom pom are you using this time? Pink or Yellow? Lololol

They are pretending to rescue. It is too sad. They are waiting for a suitable time to announce that the rescue is over. The victims are just missing and not dead.

152 dead Muricans, that's their competency level, they need SANY machinery to excavate those debris, just like how our machines were used in Fukushima.

 

[Han Patriot]

I think you forget your US history and context. Urbanization in the US was always about poor immigrants squeezing into tenements owned by slumlords. All the rich of the 1880s up to 1950s had estates in the country. The poor had no choice.

After WW2 there was a construction boom to accommodate returning vets and to make use of the industrial buildup. The cheapest land was in the suburbs and so new houses were built. Thanks to redlining, white families knew they would not live near minorities. And hence the move to the suburbs: to avoid minorities and the urban poor as the push and low cost big houses as the pull.

Meanwhile Asians have had a vibrant urban culture since the Han Dynasty in China and the Tokugawa era in Japan. Same with Southern Europeans in Rome and Athens. The city was never associated with poverty but wealth. Urban residents weren't slum dwelling immigrants, they were shop owners and professionals even in 200 BC.

In my personal experience, there's also a psychological element. Americans are very touchy about their space, much moreso than Chinese or Italians.

He thinks Americans are only the white and successful browns. Apparently the homeless are not Muricans. If you have been to the inner cities, you might think you are in India.

 

[dbc]

If this was China, we would've been skewered, but cheerleaders being cheerleaders would come up with excuses whenever the Holy land is mentioned.

Chinese insecurity on display here .

The pace of rescue, the accountability of officials has nothing to do with China. No American ever said if this was China the Major and his family and pet chihuahua would be hung, drawn and quartered by now.

Many more people die in China than the US from collapsed buildings each year go shed your tears for them.

 

[Han Patriot]

Chinese insecurity on display here .

The pace of rescue, the accountability of officials has nothing to do with China. No American ever said if this was China the Major and his family and pet chihuahua would be hung, drawn and quartered by now.

Many more people die in China than the US from collapsed buildings each year go shed your tears for them.

Lol, looks whose talking. Why so triggered mate? Just telling the truth, like how you are downplaying the severity of this shit.

 

[That Guy]

Using the deaths of innocents to try and score brownie points, absolutely disgusting behavior.

 

[Tomcats]

152 dead Muricans, that's their competency level, they need SANY machinery to excavate those debris, just like how our machines were used in Fukushima.

They are using machinery, i believe certain heavy machinery cannot be used as the rest of the buildings structural integrity is questionable which is why the rescue effort is so hard as well.

Using the deaths of innocents to try and score brownie points, absolutely disgusting behavior.

Yeah how unfortunate that people are trying to boast when hundreds are dying/dead, then they ask why they are considered a boogeyman. People here need to be reminded to think before they speak.

 

[OIO]

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

You would think that something like that would've been reported by the building management and/or other condo owners and repaired immediately. Not to mention that condo buildings have very strict associations that fees are paid into for maintenance and upkeep etc.

Looks like we have the smoking gun answer. The residents knowingly went down with the ship over money. They didn't want to pay for repairs (at least while they were still owners). Yet another reason why living in a building full of people is not in your best interest. I wonder how many of the units were up for sale.

Majority of Florida condo board quit in 2019 as squabbling residents dragged out plans for repairs

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/majority-of-florida-condo-board-quit-in-2019-as-squabbling-residents-dragged-out-plans-for-repairs/2021/06/30/43592282-d98e-11eb-ae62-2d07d7df83bd_story.html

The president of the board of the Florida condominium that collapsed last week resigned in 2019, partly in frustration over what she saw as the sluggish response to an engineer’s report that identified major structural damage the previous year.

Anette Goldstein was among five members of the seven-member board to resign in two weeks that fall, according to minutes from an Oct. 3 meeting, at a time when the condo association in Surfside was consumed by contentious debate about the multimillion-dollar repairs.

“We work for months to go in one direction and at the very last minute objections are raised that should have been discussed and resolved right in the beginning,” Goldstein wrote in a September 2019 resignation letter. “This pattern has repeated itself over and over, ego battles, undermining the roles of fellow board members, circulation of gossip and mistruths. I am not presenting a very pretty picture of the functioning of our board and many before us, but it describes a board that works very hard but cannot for the reasons above accomplish the goals we set out to accomplish.”

Debate over the cost and scope of the work, along with turnover on the volunteer board, dragged out preparations for the repairs for three years, according to previously unpublished correspondence, condo board minutes and other records kept by the homeowners association.

Concrete restoration work had not yet begun when the building partially collapsed June 24. Identifying the cause of the catastrophe is expected to take many months, and it is not clear whether the problems identified in 2018 played a role. At least 18 people were killed in the catastrophe, and 145 remain missing.

Despite increasingly dire warnings from the board, many condo owners balked at paying for the extensive improvements, which ballooned in price from about $9 million to more than $15 million over the past three years as the building continued to deteriorate, records show.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Look like the quality of construction in the US are generally poor compared to East Asia. In addition, quality of maintenance work leave much to be desired. It is a fancy of the American to build grandiose constructions (just like China now), but the maintenance works thereafter have not been paid much attention.

I've seen various documentaries about rail, metro, roads, bridges etc in the US and they all look poor quality and in poor conditions. It is in stark contrast to Japan or Korea, where everything (even built 100 years ago) look new and well-maintained.

Idk about quality but when it comes to architecture and beauty, builders prefer utility and Cost saving over beauty

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Looks like we have the smoking gun answer. The residents knowingly went down with the ship over money. They didn't want to pay for repairs (at least while they were still owners). Yet another reason why living in a building full of people is not in your best interest. I wonder how many of the units were up for sale.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/majority-of-florida-condo-board-quit-in-2019-as-squabbling-residents-dragged-out-plans-for-repairs/2021/06/30/43592282-d98e-11eb-ae62-2d07d7df83bd_story.html

The president of the board of the Florida condominium that collapsed last week resigned in 2019, partly in frustration over what she saw as the sluggish response to an engineer’s report that identified major structural damage the previous year.

Anette Goldstein was among five members of the seven-member board to resign in two weeks that fall, according to minutes from an Oct. 3 meeting, at a time when the condo association in Surfside was consumed by contentious debate about the multimillion-dollar repairs.

“We work for months to go in one direction and at the very last minute objections are raised that should have been discussed and resolved right in the beginning,” Goldstein wrote in a September 2019 resignation letter. “This pattern has repeated itself over and over, ego battles, undermining the roles of fellow board members, circulation of gossip and mistruths. I am not presenting a very pretty picture of the functioning of our board and many before us, but it describes a board that works very hard but cannot for the reasons above accomplish the goals we set out to accomplish.”

Debate over the cost and scope of the work, along with turnover on the volunteer board, dragged out preparations for the repairs for three years, according to previously unpublished correspondence, condo board minutes and other records kept by the homeowners association.

Concrete restoration work had not yet begun when the building partially collapsed June 24. Identifying the cause of the catastrophe is expected to take many months, and it is not clear whether the problems identified in 2018 played a role. At least 18 people were killed in the catastrophe, and 145 remain missing.

Despite increasingly dire warnings from the board, many condo owners balked at paying for the extensive improvements, which ballooned in price from about $9 million to more than $15 million over the past three years as the building continued to deteriorate, records show.

If maintenance is optional where are all the HOA fees going???

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

If maintenance is optional where are all the HOA fees going???

Apparently "important" things like the valet parking staff.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

The collapse of a entire building happened much less common in China than it is in the US. Especially considering the fact China built more buildings in 3 years than the US in an entire century.

Actually collapses outside of construction/renovation are rare in the US. Here is the list going back over 100 years ago. It's not very large.

Category:Building collapses in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It makes world news because it is unusual in the US. Meanwhile nobody talks about building collapses in China because it happens so often it isn't a big deal.

Here's one in China from June 19th a few days before the US one. Does anybody care or is surprised? Anybody on PDF hear about it?

Residential building collapse kills 5 in central China

news.cgtn.com

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Apparently "important" things like the valet parking staff.
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The parking staff didn't deserve this.

 

[Gomig-21]

Despite increasingly dire warnings from the board, many condo owners balked at paying for the extensive improvements, which ballooned in price from about $9 million to more than $15 million over the past three years as the building continued to deteriorate, records show.

Yep, condo associations make each apartment owner foot the repair bills and the ones who can't afford it and vote against it usually get out-voted by the wealthier ones and are forced to pay their share. The one of probably several downfalls of owning a condo.

Although even at the lower number of $9 mill, that's still a tremendous amount of loot. Divided by the number of units in that building, it'll still come out to a huge number per unit. My guess is they have/had some kind of endowment fund or grant or loan of some kind that would assist them. Still, if it gets voted (which in this case they didn't have a choice), that individual bill would be tremendous, I would think. Sounds like they squabbled for too long.