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Nato on the BRINK: December's summit could be scrapped over furious divisions on Turkey

all of the nations bordering the south china sea, for starters.

every nation where you gain ground for your new shiny military assets through predatory lending practices, second.

it should also be noted that having to live according to other nations' interests (like China is doing with basically their entire belt and road projects), is just as bothersome as having to live under a military threat to enforce the same interests. it will be resisted, and defeated, because the stakes are too high (much higher than the Chinese leaderships are hoping for) for the affected populations and governments and inter-country alliances (like NATO, or the new emerging Russian alliance, just the same).

China is on a very dangerous, wasteful, and frankly stupid set of projects when it comes to increasing their military capabilities to match NATO's, as well as how they arrange the slightly more hidden details of their expansion project called 'belt and road'.

long term stability and prosperity require honest, reciprocal international economics and the absence of a military build-up and related future tensions and worries.
to doubt this is to expose your entire population to great risks, for what, gorrilla like chest thumping about the might of your nation?

your nation's greatness is not determined by how well it bullies others into submission,
it's determined by how well you maintain long term peaceful economic relations.
Chinese is like a 200 kg man that acts like an autist child.

There's not single bullet was firing in SCS and you occupied more islands than China did there, you also do land reclamation, China has 14 neighbors, the most in the world, and almost all of them have very cordial relationship with China.
Not firing a bullet?

Are you sure?

Is that from own your propaganda that tells you?

You mean we are not allowed to own a single island that sits next to us? Why you are thousands miles away can have them all?
 
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FYI :

Defense chief: U.S. troops leaving Syria to go to western Iraq - POLITICO
  1. Defense chief: U.S. troops leaving Syria to go to western Iraq POLITICO
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  3. U.S. troops leaving Syria for western Iraq, Defense Secretary Esper says NBC News
  4. US troops pulled from Syria will be sent to Iraq to fight ISIS: defense secretary New York Post
  5. Defense chief: US troops leaving Syria to go to western Iraq USA TODAY
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Defense chief: U.S. troops leaving Syria to go to western Iraq
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A Turkish army tank moves toward the Syrian border on Friday in Ceylanpinar, Turkey. | Burak Kara/Getty Images

By ASSOCIATED PRESS
10/20/2019 07:58 AM EDT

ABOARD A U.S. MILITARY AIRCRAFT — Defense Secretary Mark Esper says that under current plans all U.S. troops leaving Syria will go to western Iraq and the military will continue to conduct operations against the Islamic State group to prevent its resurgence.

Speaking to reporters traveling with him to the Middle East, Esper did not rule out the idea that U.S. forces would conduct counterterrorism missions from Iraq into Syria. But he said those details will be worked out over time.

His comments were the first to specifically lay out where American troops will go as they leave Syria and what the counter-IS fight could look like. Esper said he has spoken to his Iraqi counterpart about the plan to shift the more than 700 troops leaving Syria into western Iraq.

The developments made clear that one of President Donald Trump’s rationales for withdrawing troops from Syria was not going to come to pass any time soon. “It’s time to bring our soldiers back home,” he said Wednesday. But they are not coming home.

As Esper left Washington on Saturday, U.S. troops were continuing to pull out of northern Syria after Turkey’s invasion into the border region. Reports of sporadic clashes continued between Turkish-backed fighters and the U.S.-allied Syria Kurdish forces despite a five-day cease-fire agreement hammered out on Friday between U.S. and Turkish leaders.

Trump ordered the bulk of the approximately 1,000 U.S. troops in Syria to withdraw after Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan made it clear in a phone call that his forces were about to invade Syria to push back Kurdish forces that Turkey considers terrorists.

The pullout largely abandons the Kurdish allies who have fought the Islamic State group alongside U.S. troops for several years. Between 200 and 300 U.S. troops will remain at the southern Syrian outpost of Al-Tanf.

Esper said the troops going into Iraq will have two missions.

“One is to help defend Iraq and two is to perform a counter-ISIS mission as we sort through the next steps,” he said. “Things could change between now and whenever we complete the withdrawal, but that’s the game plan right now.”

The U.S. currently has more than 5,000 American forces in Iraq, under an agreement between the two countries. The U.S. pulled its troops out of Iraq in 2011 when combat operations there ended, but they went back in after the Islamic State group began to take over large swaths of the country in 2014. The number of American forces in Iraq has remained small due to political sensitivities in the country, after years of what some Iraqis consider U.S. occupation during the war that began in 2003.

Esper said he will talk with other allies at a NATO meeting in the coming week to discuss the way ahead for the counter-IS mission.

Asked if U.S. special operations forces will conduct unilateral military operations into Syria to go after IS, Esper said that is an option that will be discussed with allies over time.

He said one of his top concerns is what the next phase of the counter-IS missions looks like, “but we have to work through those details. He said that if U.S. forces do go in, they would be protected by American aircraft.

While he acknowledged reports of intermittent fighting despite the cease-fire agreement, he said that overall it “generally seems to be holding. We see a stability of the lines, if you will, on the ground.”

He also said that, so far, the Syrian Democratic Forces that partnered with the U.S. to fight IS have maintained control of the prisons in Syria where they are still present. The Turks, he said, have indicated they have control of the IS prisons in their areas.

“I can’t assess whether that’s true or not without having people on the ground,” said Esper.

He added that the U.S. withdrawal will be deliberate and safe, and will take “weeks not days.”

According to a U.S. official on Saturday, about a couple of hundred troops have left Syria so far. The U.S. forces have been largely consolidated in one location in the west and a few locations in the east.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss ongoing operations, said the U.S. military is not closely monitoring the effectiveness of the cease-fire, but is aware of sporadic fighting and violations of the agreement. The official said it will still take a couple of weeks to get forces out of Syria.

FYI, Americans : what happens to those captured ISIS fighters will be of loud importance to the Europeans, especially if they do leak back into Europe or the rest of the world to commit attacks.

Turkey and Russia to discuss removal of Kurdish militia from Syrian towns
Turkey and Russia will discuss the removal of the Syrian Kurdish YPG militia from the northern Syrian towns of Manbij and Kobani during talks in Sochi next week, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Sunday.
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Local : 2019-10-20(Sunday) 12:19:40
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at this point, i'd appreciate a public statement by Kurdish forces as to what their long term plans are regarding this buffer zone that the Turks are fighting for.
 
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all of the nations bordering the south china sea, for starters.

every nation where you gain ground for your new shiny military assets through predatory lending practices, second.

it should also be noted that having to live according to other nations' interests (like China is doing with basically their entire belt and road projects), is just as bothersome as having to live under a military threat to enforce the same interests. it will be resisted, and defeated, because the stakes are too high (much higher than the Chinese leaderships are hoping for) for the affected populations and governments and inter-country alliances (like NATO, or the new emerging Russian alliance, just the same).

China is on a very dangerous, wasteful, and frankly stupid set of projects when it comes to increasing their military capabilities to match NATO's, as well as how they arrange the slightly more hidden details of their expansion project called 'belt and road'.

long term stability and prosperity require honest, reciprocal international economics and the absence of a military build-up and related future tensions and worries.
to doubt this is to expose your entire population to great risks, for what, gorrilla like chest thumping about the might of your nation?

your nation's greatness is not determined by how well it bullies others into submission,
it's determined by how well you maintain long term peaceful economic relations.

Someone is feeling threatened by China LOL

What are US/NATO military bases and projects around the world? Charity? It is the US and NATO who wage wars on false pretenses and have colonized other nations for centuries. Look at what you did to Iraq. Ravaged and destroyed it. Never found any WMDs. Look at your succes in Afghanistan LOL Today you hold talks with the very same people you call your enemies. Look at all the other wars that the US/NATO started. The world is not afraid of China. The world cooperates with China. Your shameful anti-China propaganda and begging won’t get you anywhere. No one listens to you. Every developing nations welcomes Chinese investment. It is you who are part of the problem.

Now stop your BS and stop being a sour prick. China pissing over NATO is enough to drown it. NATO is a dead project. No wonder the Brits want out.
 
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There are lots of countries that want to join the NATO. She can expand to East Asia. Vietnam can join the alliance. Turkey leaving the bloc is not good but not the end of the world.
an honest question, is Vietnam media that much crappy that you got so misinformed you seriously think Vietnam will join an alliance whose very existance is based on surrounding Russia? or is it just PDF Viets who have absolutely no idea what's going on?
 
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an honest question, is Vietnam media that much crappy that you got so misinformed you seriously think Vietnam will join an alliance whose very existance is based on surrounding Russia? or is it just PDF Viets who have absolutely no idea what's going on?

This Vietcong is full of shit. He is an asslicker.
 
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LOL! If anything Trump letting Turkey into Syria will mend things. They have been waiting for years.

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Mend things you say? Trump is now like a bitch to Erdoğan. Guess who is he meeting in Sochi to define the new Syria? It isnt trump genius.
 
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America is weakening due to reduction of whites. Weakening of America = weakening of NATO. In colloquial terms, NATO = America.
 
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America is weakening due to reduction of whites.

What? That is a very strange argument. US has always been a melting pot. If race was the case pure white Soviet Union would have won the Cold War.

If anyone is in decline it is European Nato countries. Just look at Britain today compared to 100 years back
 
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If race was the case pure white Soviet Union would have won the Cold War.

USSR was majority non ethnic Russian. When USSR broke up, Russia restored Russian empire flag which is oldest country flag in the world. Russia today is majority ethnic Russian.
 
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USSR was majority non ethnic Russian. When USSR broke up, Russia restored Russian empire flag which is oldest country flag in the world. Russia today is majority ethnic Russian.

So by your logic, as Russia today has high white population it is bound to become pre-eminent superpower, while a mixed race US will decline?
 
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Mend things you say? Trump is now like a bitch to Erdoğan. Guess who is he meeting in Sochi to define the new Syria? It isnt trump genius.

LOL! Considering Turkey has been itching to blow up the entire Syrian Air Force since 2012 (with the US holding them back from doing it) it’s an amazing coup that Turkey has made it into talks...definitely over Syria’s objections. Not sure why you see it as a negative in terms of the West.

https://www.france24.com/en/20191017-syria-to-counter-turkey-by-all-legitimate-means-assad
Syria to counter Turkey by 'all legitimate means': Assad
Syrian President Bashar al-Assad said Thursday his forces will counter Turkey's invasion by "all legitimate means", in his first remarks since deploying troops near the border to support Ankara's Kurdish rivals.:o::o::o::o::o::o: Wait a minute...can we all read that again...this goes against everything PDF has been saying for the last 7 years about the US involvement in Syria. Apparently it was all backwards.

 
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