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Nato on the BRINK: December's summit could be scrapped over furious divisions on Turkey
DECEMBER’S Nato summit in London could be scrapped because the military alliance is too divided over Turkey’s incursion into Syria, senior sources warned last night.
By MARCO GIANNANGELI, DIPLOMATIC EDITOR
PUBLISHED: 00:01, Sun, Oct 20, 2019

The heads of 29 member states are expected to descend on the capital to mark Nato’s 70th anniversary, in what was due to be Britain’s first major international conference following Brexit. They are due to address the growing threat from China for the first time. But senior political sources in Brussels have cast doubts over the wisdom of holding it while European members, which make up the majority of Nato, face two deep rifts: one with Turkey and one with the US.

“Attempting to pass meaningful policies in this challenging environment seems to me to be problematic,” said one.

“Nato needs, more than anything right now, to demonstrate harmony and solidarity. Unless things change substantially, a delay would not be unwise.”

Fabrice Pothier, Nato’s former director of planning and policy, last night branded the Turkey crisis as “the biggest to affect the alliance since the Gulf War.”

Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, beset by low opinion polls and a tanking economy, says the operation aims to counter a terror threat by securing a Kurdish-free buffer zone 300 miles along the border and extending 20 miles into Syrian territory.

But the move is viewed by Europe as a betrayal of Kurdish forces who helped to vanquish Islamic State, and has opened the prospect of thousands of detained IS fighters and their families, now being held by Kurdish forces, being released from detention camps to make their way back into Europe.

It was only made possible because of President Trump’s decision to move all US troops out of eastern Syria.

Washington attempted to mitigate the fall-out by imposing sanctions on Turkey.

However a request for Nato members to follow suit, made in front of Turkish delegates during a high-level meeting in London last week, simply drove divisions deeper, sources say.

A five-day cease fire was brokered on Thursday but it is not certain it will hold.

Even if does hold the result, victory for Erdogan and a regional boost for Russia, would do little to cement divisions.

“This is a crisis of the magnitude of the onset of the Iraq War, when European allies were divided, particularly France and Germany and Turkey, which refused to grant US forces access to the north,” said Fabrice Pothier.

“Nato’s problem with this troubling incursion is that it creates a double rift; one against Turkey, because it could have humanitarian consequences and security consequences which could seriously impact Europe.

“The other is with the US which simultaneously opened the gates for Turkey’s actions and allowed Russia to further its regional aims.

“If some are saying the summit should be suspended, I can understand why.

“The whole point about Nato summits is to show accord and move forward, together, with fresh policies.

“This summit is hoping to tackle the serious issue of China for the first time. “But the Turkey issue isn't going away, and they won’t want it to dominate proceedings.”

On Friday French premier Emmanuel Macron criticised Nato’s lacklustre response to the crisis, prompting EU firebrand Guy Verhofstadt to renew calls for a European Army, which risks undermining Nato further.

A meeting that evening between Vice President Mike Pence and Nato Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg - who, while condemning the incursion sympathised with Turkey’s position - did little to appease critics.

Britain’s lacklustre response has also not helped

While Germany, France, Finland and Sweden immediately announced an arms embargo to Turkey follow the launch of hostilities, followed by an EU ban on arms exports on Monday, it was only on Tuesday - after defence secretary Ben Wallace told Nato delegates that “Turkey needs to do what it sometimes has to do to defend itself” from Kurdish PKK terrorists in Syria - that Britain also paused the issuing of new arms export licenses.

“Britain’s response is being read in Brussels as a deliberate demonstration that it will pursue its own foreign policy after Brexit,” said Pothier.

He added, however, that Nato should “pinch its nose” and resist calls to boot Turkey out.

“There have been issues with Turkey’s membership, like its recent acquisition of the Russian S-400 air defence system and dangerous regional games.

“But it remains a key Nato ally - we now know it even holds US nuclear weapons.

“The more we allow Turkey to push itself out, the closer it becomes to Russia.

“If it aligns properly to Nato’s number one threat, we have a bigger problem.”

Last night former head of Britain’s armed forces General Lord Dannatt said: “Current divisions within Nato are very concerning and suggestions that the summit should be postponed understandable.

“It would be very difficult to have a cordial Nato summit when two of its largest members are at loggerheads over Syria.”

He added: “The fracturing of Nato is one of Vladimir Putin’s long term strategic goals. We mustn't allow ourselves to play into that agenda.”

Nato sources confirmed defence minsters would gather in Brussels next week, followed by a foreign minsters minister meeting next month.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1192986/Nato-news-turkey-syria-invasion-london-summit
 
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The sooner Nato breaks, the better it is for the world. now they are targeting China, but if Europe and US fell out, Nato will soon cease to exist.
 
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The sooner Nato breaks, the better it is for the world. now they are targeting China, but if Europe and US fell out, Nato will soon cease to exist.

LOL! NATO isn't going to break over Turkey. That's like saying China will break apart due to Hong Kong.
 
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LOL! NATO isn't going to break over Turkey. That's like saying China will break apart due to Hong Kong.
Yes it will. Comparing HK to Turkey holding US nukes and the gateway to Europe for millions of Muslims is just funny. Turkey will destroy NATO and Europe, its their hidden agenda.
 
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I think NATO is not going to break so easily. NATO secretary general is a smart guy and he knows the importance of Turkey.
LOL! NATO isn't going to break over Turkey. That's like saying China will break apart due to Hong Kong.
NATO is not going anywhere any time soon I think.
 
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i also think NATO won't break over the Turkey-Syria issue.

in fact, it's our ability to publicly disagree with eachother as NATO members, that is one of the strengths that will ensure NATO's longterm survival.
 
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The sooner Nato breaks, the better it is for the world. now they are targeting China, but if Europe and US fell out, Nato will soon cease to exist.
Nonsense!

the opposite is true.

The NATO targeting China is very logical step. You are a threat to the world.
 
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Salaam


The sooner Nato breaks, the better it is for the world. now they are targeting China, but if Europe and US fell out, Nato will soon cease to exist.


I think the rise of China and the Sino-Russian alliance will keep the NATO alive in one form or another - and we may even see it getting strengthened again.

This statement quoted below indicates that not only will the NATO not break it seems unlikely they will make the Turks leave anytime soon as well.

“The more we allow Turkey to push itself out, the closer it becomes to Russia.

“If it aligns properly to Nato’s number one threat, we have a bigger problem.”
 
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Yes it will. Comparing HK to Turkey holding US nukes and the gateway to Europe for millions of Muslims is just funny. Turkey will destroy NATO and Europe, its their hidden agenda.

LOL! If anything Trump letting Turkey into Syria will mend things. They have been waiting for years.

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i also think NATO won't break over the Turkey-Syria issue.

in fact, it's our ability to publicly disagree with eachother as NATO members, that is one of the strengths that will ensure NATO's longterm survival.
There are lots of countries that want to join the NATO. She can expand to East Asia. Vietnam can join the alliance. Turkey leaving the bloc is not good but not the end of the world.
 
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Who do we threaten?

all of the nations bordering the south china sea, for starters.

every nation where you gain ground for your new shiny military assets through predatory lending practices, second.

it should also be noted that having to live according to other nations' interests (like China is doing with basically their entire belt and road projects), is just as bothersome as having to live under a military threat to enforce the same interests. it will be resisted, and defeated, because the stakes are too high (much higher than the Chinese leaderships are hoping for) for the affected populations and governments and inter-country alliances (like NATO, or the new emerging Russian alliance, just the same).

China is on a very dangerous, wasteful, and frankly stupid set of projects when it comes to increasing their military capabilities to match NATO's, as well as how they arrange the slightly more hidden details of their expansion project called 'belt and road'.

long term stability and prosperity require honest, reciprocal international economics and the absence of a military build-up and related future tensions and worries.
to doubt this is to expose your entire population to great risks, for what, gorrilla like chest thumping about the might of your nation?

your nation's greatness is not determined by how well it bullies others into submission,
it's determined by how well you maintain long term peaceful economic relations.
 
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Look in the mirror!

you are the hooligan of Asia.
There's not single bullet was firing in SCS and you occupied more islands than China did there, you also do land reclamation, China has 14 neighbors, the most in the world, and almost all of them have very cordial relationship with China.
 
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Salaam





I think the rise of China and the Sino-Russian alliance will keep the NATO alive in one form or another - and we may even see it getting strengthened again.

This statement quoted below indicates that not only will the NATO not break it seems unlikely they will make the Turks leave anytime soon as well.

EU is ready for its own army.
 
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