Nato forces kill 30 ( in ) Pakistan

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

oooops ... this attack may usher ways for some more .
soon they are going to attack terrorists in islamabad too .........
come on this will add more troubles for paksiatn..
our so called sovereignity is no where now...

 

[muse]

The big thing here is Sovereignty..

Is it? I mean what about Afghans and Arabs and Chechens and Uzbeks running a part of Pakistan, is that not a issue of sovereignty? Why is that some of us recall "sovereignty" only when Ferenghis are involved?

Look, no one can support or justify Ferenghis, any freaking kind of Ferenghi -- but this issue is not about Ferenghis only, it's about the state abdicating responsibility -- If Pakistan were a genuinely strong state, in other words, if the state really had control and legitimacy in society, and if the state argued that the Ferenghi have violated it's territory and the state has called for mobilization to to once and for all times teach the Ferenghi a lesson, his future generations will recall, then most Pakistanis will support the state --- but the present is not the ideal case.

The ISAF have the Pakistanis over a barrel, the Pakistanis think they are a player, but the game is between the Ferenghi and the Arbi - the ISAF have now upped the ante, my bet is the Pakistani state will fold it's hand. Not saying it's good or bad or right or wrong, just saying what I think the Pakistani state will do because it does not have options.

 

[mehru]

Whats wrong with what the Americans did, they killed the worst species on the planet which we call "Taliban". People need to realize that we need every possible help we can get from the Americans, its us Pakistanis who are on the receiving side with these constant bomb blasts not the Americans whom are enjoying their cozy lifestyles half a world away from all this mess. I for one support these drone strikes, the ideal scenario would be Pak Army dealing with it but if they are not than let the Americans clean this mess up.

I was thinking the same thing. To be honest, Nato forces are allowed for hot pursuit inside Pak territory. Our Govt is acting like a hypocrite. They should tell public clearly about their agreements so that it doesn't create panic. They are damaging their position even more. I remember the same mystery about drone attacks when our Govt denied any involvement. Later it was cleared by US ambassador that these drones are launched from our air bases and with the approval of our Govt. Imagine!

 

[notorious_eagle]

You can call it so, but since i belong to the soil where it is going on and we see more ground realities than seeing just one aspect.

Grrrrr , dont flatter yourself. Your not the only one who belongs to this soil, all us Pakistanis have an equal stake in this mess. The suicide bomber who blew the FIA office located in F Block of Model Town in 2008, i was less than 30 yards away when that happened. Not a pretty site when you see pieces of human flesh lying on the street, so don't tell me what we haven't seen. Its a different story that i prefer to keep my mouth shut about incidents like these, but incidents like these prove that if the TTP like to play dirty than lets send a befitting reply whether its the Americans or the Pakistani Army who delivers this reply.

BIG WORD HERE:Sovereignty....

Sovereignty , people are dying here from these constant bombings/poverty and your thinking of Sovereignty .

 

[SekrutYakhni]

I remember you talking about this 5-6 months back... You were pretty much bang on...

I am 'bang on' on most of the things. People do not believe me--I am here to give you guys some future insights. AND to learn from TT and other senior members.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

ISAF has used "right to self defense" as justification -- Most respondents here seem to be thinking that the Pakistani security apparatus does nto approve of this action by ISAF -- but what if they do approve? What if they find the political atmosphere entirely unhelpful and think the ISAF will not have similar constraints?

Or lets agree that the Pakistani security apparatus does not approve, how would it respond, to "right to self defense"?

Here the road diverges. If the establishment approved those attacks, admit it, state the reasons and give future outlines.

HOWEVER, we will see combat troops in Pakistan WITHOUT the permission of Pakistani gov. I have been stating this agan and again over a year now.

 

[muse]

HOWEVER, we will see combat troops in Pakistan WITHOUT the permission of Pakistani gov. I have been stating this agan and again over a year now.

And I'm with you in this assessment - all the time they know that the bad guy is a "coalition" - and this coalition will attack them, as events and personalities are going, there is nothing that can stop that.

What's amazing is that no one, not politicians and not the armed forces have the guts to call a spade a spade and prepare the nation - it's almost as if they want this eventuality to happen and for Pakistan to be enslaved by the Ferenghi once again.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

And I'm with you in this assessment - all the time they know that the bad guy is a "coalition" - and this coalition will attack them, as events and personalities are going, there is nothing that can stop that.

What's amazing is that no one, not politicians and not the armed forces have the guts to call a spade a spade and prepare the nation - it's almost as if they want this eventuality to happen and for Pakistan to be enslaved by the Ferenghi once again.

From Orange to an Apple--This is what Pakistan is turning to.
We also have the right to defend ourselves, no? Yet, we were too afraid to go in Afghanistan during 08 and 09 operations.

I know that our political and armed establishment is not so manly man; however, we are trying our best to change the thing.
Trust me.

We are trying our best to create a multi dimensional foreign policy for Pakistan. Things are changing in international arena, pre planned!

 

[Spring Onion]

Jana

Do make sense, after all, you can't just make a career of making crude remarks and think that people will be deceived all the time - you say you "belong to the soil" -- how so? I mean to the TTP also belong to the soil? and what about these Talib who mount attacks inside Afghanistan and then escape into Pakistan, do they also" belong to the soil" ? Is it bird of a feather flock together?

Listen up - it's really simple, "Daughter of the East", "Daughter of Pakistan" "belongs to the Soil" and all these characterizations will not suffice, will not take the place of a cogent argument -- Why should Pakistan care one bit what happens to these Talib, whether inside Pakistan or outside??

Since you "belong to the soil", have you not had enough of suicide attacks in Pakistani cities, Peshawar, last anyone checked is a Pakistani city, right? not a Talib city, right?

All the above i will agree with you only if you have solid evidence you have killed the talibs and NOT innocent civilians from my soil.

So far you have failed to even identify the location you have bombed.

Come up with the evidence and will cheer with you the death of militants.

( i am just reading and listening to what you guys are saying. I am not quoting the officials so far who are posted in the area)

 

[muse]

i will agree with you only if you have solid evidence you have killed the talibs and NOT innocent civilians from my soil.

It's sad that you have to be reminded, Jana, but you do have "solid evidence" do you not, that Talib have and continue to, target innocent civilians?Don't you, Jana?

Do you ever think, Jana? All we hear from you is your Bakwass about you being "of the soil" - which soil is that Jana, Pakistan or Talibistan?

Seriously, no one is suggesting the US is good, the ;position is that the Talib is an enemy - the US MAY be a enemy, but we know that the Talib is a enemy, right now! isn't that right?

 

[Pukhtoon]

The Place is KURRAM AGENCY.

Today i saw it on a News Channel.

 

[pankaj agrawal]

NATO air strikes in Pakistan violate UN mandate: official

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Monday lodged a strong protest with NATO over air strikes by the alliance's helicopters on its territory near the Afghan border saying they violated a UN mandate, the foreign office said.

The attack by the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) helicopters on Friday left more than 30 insurgents dead, an ISAF statement issued in Kabul on Sunday said.

Pakistan said the helicopters intruded into its territory twice from the eastern Afghan province of Khost as they chased the militants.

“These incidents are a clear violation and breach of the UN mandate under which ISAF operates,” foreign office spokesman Abdul Basit said in a statement.

The ISAF statement admitted that “an air weapons team engaged a significant number of insurgents following an attack on a remote Afghan National Security Force (ANSF) outpost in Khost province Friday.

“ANSF received direct and indirect fire at Combat Outpost Narizah near the Pakistan border. An air weapons team in the area observed the enemy fire, and following International Security Assistance Force rules of engagement, crossed into the area of enemy fire.”ISAF aircraft then fired on the militants killing more than 30, the statement said, adding that two helicopters returned to the border area on Saturday and killed several more insurgents.

“Initial reports indicate no civilian were injured or killed during either operation,” the ISAF statement said.

Pakistan said ISAF's saying mandate “terminates/finishes” at the Afghanistan border.
“There are no agreed 'hot pursuit' rules. Any impression to the contrary is not factually correct. Such violations are unacceptable,” the foreign office statement added.

It said ISAF had been asked not to participate in any military action that violates the UN mandate and infringes upon Pakistan's sovereignty.

“In the absence of immediate corrective measures, Pakistan will be constrained to consider response options,” it warned.

The statement said Pakistan had always emphasised the need for “coordinated and joint action” against insurgents.

Under US pressure to crack down on Islamist havens along the Afghan border, Pakistan has in the past year stepped up military operations against largely homegrown militants.

The rare helicopter attacks came amid a surge in US drone strikes in Pakistan's lawless tribal belt, which is considered a safe haven for Taliban and Al-Qaeda-linked operatives and is branded the most dangerous place on earth by Washington.

Four militants were killed in the missile strike on Monday which was 19th attack in 24 days.

Militants fighting against 150,000 US and NATO troops in Afghanistan are believed to be holed up in Pakistan's tribal areas, as are operatives at war with Pakistani security forces.

Last year Pakistan launched its most ambitious military offensive yet against Taliban militants in South Waziristan, expanding the campaign to many of the other seven semi-autonomous tribal districts along the border.

 

[silent hill]

pak army is actinf sissies here, when will they take arms against the real enemies and not just hoax around, that talibans are their real enemies..

here we are giving them routes to fight in afghanistan and there they are finding routes to attack pakistan itself

pak army should high alert the borders and give orders to shoot any alien thing entering pakistan from afghan border, all holidays suspended, duty 24 hours, till the matter settles, pakistanis are feed up with this army to compromise on pakistan's soverignty

 

[Spring Onion]

It's sad that you have to be reminded, Jana, but you do have "solid evidence" do you not, that Talib have and continue to, target innocent civilians?Don't you, Jana?

Do you ever think, Jana? All we hear from you is your Bakwass about you being "of the soil" - which soil is that Jana, Pakistan or Talibistan?

Seriously, no one is suggesting the US is good, the ;position is that the Talib is an enemy - the US MAY be a enemy, but we know that the Talib is a enemy, right now! isn't that right?

So far i am only hearing your emotional diatribe about NATO airstrike killed talibs thats too without evidence. Its interesting that you and your beloved US force that had bombard Pakistani area have even failed to identify the location which they have bombed.

Please come again and do give me the location, casualties and identification of the people.

If not atleast show us that their dead bodies were collected by their co-talibs

You are just beating the bush around shying away from the real topic.

So far you are not even agreed on how many people you have killed.


BTW next time keep your head cool so that you dont forget some ethics

 

[hecj]

do u have any info that u.s strikes kills only terrorist not civilians.they may label civilians as tali's n wat else u can do?