Naswar Corner

[Armstrong]

@Armstrong Suicide is not haram, unless you "believe" it is haram. Alcohol is not haram unless you believe its haram. Zina isn't haram unless you "believe" its haram. Namaz,Zakat,Hajj,Roza,Ushr,Fitrana all mean NOTHING unless you "believe" it means something.

Islam is a personal religion, one could practice without ever needing a mullah, ANYONE can lead a jamat, ANYONE can offer Janaz'a,ANYONE can register a Nikkah and ANYONE can be a witness for a divorce. I, think when Allah says "Ina'mal Amaal-e-bin-niyaat" [Amaal ka daromadar Niyat per hai], He wasn't kidding.

I disagree Islam is as communal a religion as it gets ! A huge chunk of the Koran deals with laws, economics, societal standards of propriety & the differentiation of 'right' & 'wrong' ! And so it address both the 'individual' & the 'society' & gives them a way forward.

Islam isn't about praying 5 times a day or fasting once a month in ramazan for these are just rituals & our failure to understand beyond them is why we've never been able to appreciate the revolutionary paradigmatic shift that it postulates.

 

[Hyperion]

Yara, trust me I did. I am very sensitive to my surroundings, and over time I have learned to trust my own senses and extrapolate. Whatever I am, I owe it all to my common sense and god's gift of logic.

Having been born in 79/80 are you telling me that you had the presence of mind to foresee it all - BAKWASS BAND KAR !

 

[KingMamba]

Dude everyone dislikes Zia so no question about it !

You've got to be kidding me if you're suggesting that Uncle supported Zia !

That is actually false bro most people did in fact support Zia in his time. Take into fact that Pakistan was still reeling from humiliation in 1971 and people were open to change. Zia told everyone Islamization was the answer and the people bought it. It was only later that everyone realized how short sighted they were, heck my grandmother still sings his praises.

 

[S.U.R.B.]

Oh come on why is God such a kill-joy !

Okay another question that often comes to my mind - If suicide is haram & there be such a thing as passive suicide i.e killing yourself slowly & knowingly, can smoking cigarettes or even obesity be considered as such ?

Being on Naswar isn't that enough?

Answers both.

 

[Armstrong]

Right now I just work out at the local gym to keep in relative shape, it is hard to keep yourself good when it is freezing out I go into bear mentality and start to hibernate lol. Once spring comes along I am going to start boxing though and then summer back to football. My routine is basically fall -gym winter- gym spring- boxing summer- football.

What exercises do you do in the gym ?

 

[Sugarcane]

@Armstrong Suicide is not haram, unless you "believe" it is haram. Alcohol is not haram unless you "believe" its haram. Zina isn't haram unless you "believe" its haram. Namaz,Zakat,Hajj,Roza,Ushr,Fitrana all mean "NOTHING" unless you "believe" it means something.

Islam is a personal religion, one could practice without ever needing a mullah, ANYONE can lead a jamat, ANYONE can offer Janaz'a,ANYONE can register a Nikkah and ANYONE can be a witness for a divorce. I, think when Allah says "Ina'mal Amaal-e-bin-niyaat" [Amaal ka daromadar Niyat per hai], He wasn't kidding.

Lol - When God says "And be steadfast in prayer; practise regular charity; and bow down your heads with those who bow down (in worship)", He wasn't kidding their either

 

[KingMamba]

What exercises do you do in the gym ?

Spartacus: Blood and Sand "Official Workout!" - YouTube

Bench Press
Barbell Squats
Various Curls
Cardio
Steam room sometimes
Various ab workouts for the core

 

[Kompromat]

I disagree Islam is as communal a religion as it gets ! A huge chunk of the Koran deals with laws, economics, societal standards of propriety & the differentiation of 'right' & 'wrong' ! And so it address both the 'individual' & the 'society' & gives them a way forward.

Islam isn't about praying 5 times a day or fasting once a month in ramazan for these are just rituals & our failure to understand beyond them is why we've never been able to appreciate the revolutionary paradigmatic shift that it postulates.

I, think you mistook my post boy. Islam does give a feel of brotherhood and community, and yes Quran is a message of jurisprudence more than anything else. My point, however was SLIGHTLY different. The building block of a society is an INDIVIDUAL, which Islam is all about, offering things that i described WITHOUT needing a Mullah, you can even practice Islam in a cave. The sense of community,brotherhood,legal,economic,social,moral standing is all connected to that INDIVIDUAL and when more of those INDIVIDUALS join in, it becomes communal. However, i posted in regards to your question about suicide being haram, i think i answered it.

 

[KingMamba]

That youtube video I posted is amazing, when it is too cold I just do that at home.

 

[Huda]

@Aeronaut agr ap kuch galat krte h0 t0u apko zameer sirf phli bar may satisfy nhi h0ta and ap guilty feel krte hain after that apk0 kuch feel nhi h0ta sub theek lagtd hai agr zameer ki baat h0 t0u phr t0u sare criminals guilt may he guxar jayen

 

[Hyperion]

Yara, occasionally I do. In summers one beer a day. You can hardly call it drinking!

@Hyperion You don't drink

 

[Sugarcane]

Yara, occasionally I do. In summers one beer a day. You can hardly call it drinking!

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[Kompromat]

@Aeronaut agr ap kuch galat krte h0 t0u apko zameer sirf phli bar may satisfy nhi h0ta and ap guilty feel krte hain after that apk0 kuch feel nhi h0ta sub theek lagtd hai agr zameer ki baat h0 t0u phr t0u sare criminals guilt may he guxar jayen

What makes you feel guilty is a sin. Is it hard to understand

 

[Armstrong]

I, think you mistook my post boy. Islam does give a feel of brotherhood and community, and yes Quran is a message of jurisprudence more than anything else. My point, however was SLIGHTLY different. The building block of a society is an INDIVIDUAL, which Islam is all about, offering things that i described WITHOUT needing a Mullah, you can even practice Islam in a cave. The sense of community,brotherhood,legal,economic,social,moral standing is all connected to that INDIVIDUAL and when more of those INDIVIDUALS join in, it becomes communal. However, i posted in regards to your question about suicide being haram, i think i answered it.

Actually you didn't !

There are 'personal religions' & then there are 'personal religions'; Islam isn't about that endless mysticism that permeates everything from dharmic religions to druidism. Islam is personal in the manner of speaking that it deals with the 'person' & provides him with a 'reference point' for everything else but it isn't personal in that it takes the society out of the individuals instead of it being a symbiotic relationship as most of these other personal religions are. And so I don't think that one can practice Islam in the solitude of a cave cut-off from everyone & everything else; you can pray & chant the scripture - sure, but its the 'human experience' that lies at the essence of Islam - Not rituals !

And its not about 'Mullahs' or anything of the sort, Islam expects each of us to be our own priests ! But at the same time we cannot discount the place of Fiqh & the need for its evolution in the first place. Because Islam does not postulate a disconnect between what is worldly & what is divine in the manner of speaking that it doesn't ask an individual to behave in a certain manner in the society & then in a certain other manner in his religious capacity as if there is a thin screen that separate the two, it would be folly to think of the individual & the society as entities that are to be addressed by two paradigmatically frameworks instead one that overlaps the other. And this is what makes it ever so different from (say!) Buddhism or Hinduism or some of those other religions out there who are truly personal & not communal in a religious sense.

You talked about something being 'Haram' because you choose it to be thus; I disagree ! Something is 'haram' not because of the presence or absence of choice or the choice to exercise it but because it is either 'haram' or 'not' intrinsically so.

If 'drinking wine' or 'suicide' or some of those other things were haram or permissible purely being contingent on the choice of the individual under question then we would not have seen either of the first 4 Caliphs or even the Prophet (PBUH) himself taking away the 'right to choose' from an individual & giving it to the 'society' ! It is precisely because it is not contingent upon personal choice is why Muslim Scholarship from ages past & present have codified Behavioral Prohibitions as part of Fiqh & proposed penalties as such.

Islam, as I understand it to be, doesn't agree with the notion : Let me drink; its between me & God !

 

[Hyperion]

I do everything in moderation. Always have.

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