Naswar Corner

[Kompromat]

@Armstrong I will reply your post but on Sunday

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[Armstrong]

@Armstrong I will reply your post but on Sunday

No need ! We're both BSh*tting each other !

 

[Sugarcane]

Actually you didn't !

There are 'personal religions' & then there are 'personal religions'; Islam isn't about that endless mysticism that permeates everything from dharmic religions to druidism. Islam is personal in the manner of speaking that it deals with the 'person' & provides him with a 'reference point' for everything else but it isn't personal in that it takes the society out of the individuals instead of it being a symbiotic relationship as most of these other personal religions are. And so I don't think that one can practice Islam in the solitude of a cave cut-off from everyone & everything else; you can pray & chant the scripture - sure, but its the 'human experience' that lies at the essence of Islam - Not rituals !

And its not about 'Mullahs' or anything of the sort, Islam expects each of us to be our own priests ! But at the same time we cannot discount the place of Fiqh & the need for its evolution in the first place. Because Islam does not postulate a disconnect between what is worldly & what is divine in the manner of speaking that it doesn't ask an individual to behave in a certain manner in the society & then in a certain other manner in his religious capacity as if there is a thin screen that separate the two, it would be folly to think of the individual & the society as entities that are to be addressed by two paradigmatically frameworks instead one that overlaps the other. And this is what makes it ever so different from (say!) Buddhism or Hinduism or some of those other religions out there who are truly personal & not communal in a religious sense.

You talked about something being 'Haram' because you choose it to be thus; I disagree ! Something is 'haram' not because of the presence or absence of choice or the choice to exercise it but because it is either 'haram' or 'not' intrinsically so.

If 'drinking wine' or 'suicide' or some of those other things were haram or permissible purely being contingent on the choice of the individual under question then we would not have seen either of the first 4 Caliphs or even the Prophet (PBUH) himself taking away the 'right to choose' from an individual & giving it to the 'society' ! It is precisely because it is not contingent upon personal choice is why Muslim Scholarship from ages past & present have codified Behavioral Prohibitions as part of Fiqh & proposed penalties as such.

Islam, as I understand it to be, doesn't agree with the notion : Let me drink; its between me & God !

I know simple thing - There are God's rights (Haqooq-ul-Allah) and Rights of people (Haqooq-ul-Abad) - There is no relaxation and forgiveness over Rights of people (i.e. Parents, Wife, Kids, Relatives, Society) and it's clearly mentioned without any doubt, however God's rights are on sole discretion of almighty and he is most merciful.

 

[KRAIT]

What's up guys ?

 

[Kompromat]

What's up guys ?

Sar dard

 

[KRAIT]

Sar dard

Common cold.

 

[Sugarcane]

What's up guys ?

@Armstrong is paragraphing @Aeronaut to death with religious literature and @Hyperion is finding excuses for his beer

I do everything in moderation. Always have.

I tanked you but dissimilar note is written in my signature

 

[Armstrong]

What's up guys ?

@Hyperion ko sulaneiii kii kooshish kar rahein hain !

So far we've tried :

(a) talking about a boring religious topic

(b) reenacting the goats jumping off the fence but that didn't turn out too well @Aeronaut couldn't get his fat buttt to jump high enough.

(c) getting @LoveIcon to sing 'Halqe Halqe' from Pakeeza along with a proper classical dance performed with them piyals performed by him !

(d) And now we're contemplating threatening @Hyperion with the use of an enema unless he sleeps this instance !

You tell me hows stuff been on your end ?

 

[Kompromat]

PS: I m going to bed, see ya fellows.

 

[p(-)0ENiX]

In my opinion.

Haram depends on your own Iman, as someone asked Mohammed [SAW].

Q:What is a kindness/Naiki?

A:Anything, that you are doing and your conscious/Zameer is positive and satisfied.

Q: What is a sin/gunnah

A:Anything, that makes you feel "guilty" while your doing it. [Even when in private]

I, have seen Muslims eating pork and being happy about it... Sooner or later Quranic message will be lifted and evaporate [erased] from people's conscious. Muslim's fun age will begin!

I think this is the hadith you are referring to.

"A person asked Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him): What is faith? He said: When a good deed becomes a source of pleasure for you and an evil deed becomes a source of disgust for you, then you are a believer. He again said Allah's Messenger: What is a sin? Whereupon he said: When something pricks your conscience, give it up."

Al-Tirmidhi Hadith - 8 (Source)

This does not imply that an individual can do anything he or she want seeing as Islam does have a set of principles, rules, & standards do differentiate between right & wrong. As I understand it, the Prophet's (peace be upon him) definition of a sin in this scenario is meant to guide people in circumstances where they are uncertain about the permissibility of their actions. However, that doesn't imply that an individual's stance over the permissibility of his or her actions is meant to replace the Islamic law.

 

[Hyperion]

Trying to sleep.

 

[Sugarcane]

Ok guyz - have to sleep now

PS: Buttt sb. move your lil buttt to bed it's 4:30 AM there

 

[Hyperion]

Good night lala. I hope you have better luck than me. I am gonna eat a pill, need to cheat the pain.

PS: I m going to bed, see ya fellows.

Good night yara!

Ok guyz - have to sleep now

PS: Buttt sb. move your lil buttt to bed it's 4:30 AM there

 

[KRAIT]

@Armstrong Slept early, woke up at 4 a.m. Common cold and cough.

 

[Hyperion]

Yara, try some soup. Screw this weather, it's really annoying.

@Armstrong Slept early, woke up at 4 a.m. Common cold and cough.