My views on Modi

[nair]

Why not? If we don't hold them accountable from day 1 then who will? UPA did not get a grace period and neither should NDA.

Accountable??? But You cant expect results from the day 1.....I would attribute the initial results to UPA regime as there was hardly any change in the policies...... Yes those policies were implemented in a much better way for sure....

Buddy waiting for results is one thing but we are close to half way through NDA term and we see no results. Had the windfall of low oil prices not fallen in BJP lap then situation could have been even worse than UPA. It is the duty of Govt to manage opposition and get bills passed and if bills are not passing then it is the failure of floor managers of BJP.

Yeah i agree on the lower oil prices, and let us not forget UPA was dealing with $140 a barrel....

 

[Spectre]

I agree with your analysis- he has no overt desire to be in politics as far as I can see which makes the promotion of him by senior Congress leaders (who are otherwise sane and intelligent beings) that much more unpalatable.

And the trouble is, if Congress is ever elected back into power Rahul WILL be the PM of India, how chilling a thought is that? Yes, he may let "mummy" run things behind the scenes but he will be the figure head of the Indian government, he will be the one meeting heads of state and making "landmark" speeches. I mean the word "joke" does not begin to cover that idea.

It is not unusual - Is RG a any bigger joke then his contemporary Trust Fund babies like Donald J Trump or flock of Sultans and Princes in ME? Those countries are doing just fine because ultimately it is the bureaucracy and institutions who manage things. Middle Managers are the real heroes or villains.

 

[nair]

And the trouble is, if Congress is ever elected back into power Rahul WILL be the PM of India, how chilling a thought is that?

For Rahul Becoming a PM, Congress need to be elected to power..... But If rahul is the key man, then Congress will never come back to power....... and let me tell you It is not good for the nation......You need to have a strong opposition to a strong govt...... If congress goes down the drain, then it will be BJP and regional parties....... The problem with Regional parties are, They care a damn about the country......All they focus is their vote banks and their welfare...... their attitude is "Bhad mein jaye India"

 

[Spectre]

For Rahul Becoming a PM, Congress need to be elected to power..... But If rahul is the key man, then Congress will never come back to power....... and let me tell you It is not good for the nation......You need to have a strong opposition to a strong govt...... If congress goes down the drain, then it will be BJP and regional parties....... The problem with Regional parties are, They care a damn about the country......All they focus is their vote banks and their welfare...... their attitude is "Bhad mein jaye India"

There are some good regional parties and leaders too. Let's not forget that Suresh Prabhu originated from SS in Maharashtra, Nitish Kr from Bihar, Somnath Chatterjee from WB, AK from Delhi. I would agree though the focus of regional parties except AAP are too narrow. As for the calibre - with a few exceptions on Congress and BJP they are mostly of the same mettle and who is to say when the opportunity calls regional leaders can't or won't step up.

Sure he shares a partial responsibility for the failure of state CM. But by that same logic, it must be argued that you too share a partial responsibility to let things become as bad as they have.

Modi is the PM of India, that is his "excuse" if you want to use that word.

How busy do you think the PM of India is ?

I dont want Modi as my PM, if he is in a business of making excuses and stop indulging in victim shaming - I did not stand for PM of India, I did not make false promises for votes and this is why I wont be held accountable but he will be.

 

[nair]

There are some good regional parties and leaders too. Let's not forget that Suresh Prabhu originated from SS in Maharashtra, Nitish Kr from Bihar, Somnath Chatterjee from WB, AK from Delhi. I would agree though the focus of regional parties except AAP are too narrow. As for the calibre - with a few exceptions on Congress and BJP they are mostly of the same mettle and who is to say when the opportunity calls regional leaders can't or won't step up.

Exceptions are there......Problem with regional parties are, they work exactly like Congress...... A Super power leader(and his/her family) and his/her followers....... Mamta, Amma, Mayavati, Lalu, thakare, Mulayam, for example..... These guys have significant numbers of seats when you compare to congress, and all of them are like horse/donkey tied to a cart called opposition and pulling it to different direction......

 

[Spectre]

Sure hold Modi accountable for being the PM of India, do not expect him to be the CM of jarkhand and transfer that blame to him.

What particular result are you concerned about ? Talk about the big picture.

For the water in the tap, contact your local municipal leader or maybe your MLA.



That is your prerogative but if you are to debate then you need to PROVE your point.

What promise has Modi made which he has not kept ?

Modi came to my town and promised my district 24 hours electricity, good roads, industries and jobs. None of which have been delivered. Only area where there is some delivery is education. Now since Modi personally promised these things and told us to vote for BJP if we trust him - it is only fair we hold him accountable.

How is that for facts.

 

[Abingdonboy]

For Rahul Becoming a PM, Congress need to be elected to power..... But If rahul is the key man, then Congress will never come back to power....... and let me tell you It is not good for the nation......You need to have a strong opposition to a strong govt...... If congress goes down the drain, then it will be BJP and regional parties....... The problem with Regional parties are, They care a damn about the country......All they focus is their vote banks and their welfare...... their attitude is "Bhad mein jaye India"

Congress are shooting themselves in the foot by promoting that clown as their "leader", it really is one of the most pathetic sights to see grown men and women praising a loser like Rahul, I don't know how they can say he is Modi's equal with a straight face.Are they blind to his shortcomings?

The best thing Congress could do is to get a truly inspiring/credible leader. Frankly, if Shashi Tharoor had his own party or was the leader of the Congress I would find it hard not to lean towards him.

 

[Roybot]

Last account got banned too?

I have recently discovered another bot/multiple id spammer on pdf. He always quotes from the "Twitter world", you can spot him on this thread as well. Some very strange people on the internet

 

[Spectre]

Exceptions are there......Problem with regional parties are, they work exactly like Congress...... A Super power leader(and his/her family) and his/her followers....... Mamta, Amma, Mayavati, Lalu, thakare, Mulayam, for example..... These guys have significant numbers of seats when you compare to congress, and all of them are like horse/donkey tied to a cart called opposition and pulling it to different direction......

Since they get votes and are elected, it can be argued that they with their high command culture are still better than BJP or else why will people vote for Lalu and not Modi (who was the face of BJP) in Bihar.

Now I accept that social dynamics like caste and linguistics barriers also play a major role but then it is the job of BJP to cross these hurdles and present themselves as a credible alternative and if they fail to do so then it is evident that people don't put much stock in them

 

[Abingdonboy]

Modi came to my town and promised my district 24 hours electricity, good roads, industries and jobs. None of which have been delivered. Only area where there is some delivery is education. Now since Modi personally promised these things and told us to vote for BJP if we trust him - it is only fair we hold him accountable.

How is that for facts.

To be fair sir, this is entirely anecdotal but it is a fair point, well made and Modi certainly needs to be held accountable for the promises he has made.

 

[noksss]

-Foriegn policy

The Brand India's image has improved a lot after Modi took over and our relationship throughout the world from Europe to America to Middle East to Central Asia has improved a lot . Here are some examples I can point to

a) From Inviting Obama for Republic Day to the recent Ashton Carter's comment you can easily guess it
b) French will be our strategic partner post Rafale but he made effort to improve it with most of the Major EU powers
c) UAE and Saudi Arabia you very well know the reports published in Pakistan
d) Investment in Iran and the relationship with it

And China and Pakistan is a very different case. I feel whatever being done is pushed with some agenda which might take some time to get a clear picture

-Internal security

No security is foolproof the question to be asked is did he played politics on terror ?what is he doing to prevent another attack and is he pro-active in internal security related stuffs ? . The answer to all these question is YES .
You can look at the arrest of ISIS members as well the 5 layered defense proposed after phatankot and may more such things as example

- Lack of control over his ministers (and thier big mouths)

To be fair you haven't heard these loud mouths for almost a year it will die down completely as time goes

- 1984 justice (or lack thereof)

I can understand that buddy but Modi can do little on the ongoing case in the indian courts

- Lack of "big bang" legislative reforms (GST/LAB)

Ease of doing business have improved a lot and india emerging as a top FDI destination happned without any of these big-bang reforms now with the improved RS number that will be passed . And here too you can critize him only when he sits idle for the GST to be passed but that's not the case he is doing everything possible to improve the state of the economy and ease of doing business . Look at what Moodys' has to say about MII
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...dia-a-success-Moodys/articleshow/51736262.cms

 

[Spectre]

To be fair sir, this is entirely anecdotal but it is a fair point, well made and Modi certainly needs to be held accountable for the promises he has made.

I agree it is anecdotal but it is politics we are talking about not science or economics and in politics anecdotal carries a lot of weight. Word of mouth and opinions are the major currency in politics.

Now Modi did not sign a contract with people of India for the items he will deliver, he made promises in his election speeches and manifestos and in absence of better delivery tracking mechanism on a block level it is how we have to judge him - on the basis of personal experience. After all voting is a personal matter- right?

 

[kaykay]

Modi is by far the best to lead the country among current lot of politicians in India. Nitish Kumar, Kejriwal, Rahul Gandhi are no where close as alternatives!!!

 

[Spectre]

That is a Claim.

The Election manifesto is a Fact. Recorded video is a fact.

Do you understand the difference ?

I have no way to confirm or deny your "Personal claims". So why would anyone bother to debate or challenge that ?

Where is the evidence you have truly voted for BJP ? That too is only a "claim". For all we know, you would have voted for congress.

The point is, integrity demands that you debate on facts with links to prove them. How is that for "Fair" ?

It is very easy to confirm or deny my claim, file a RTI for the electrification figures for Bagodar in Jharkhand along with details of how electricity provided to good people on Jharkhand on avg daily basis for past two years. Or else find a relevant news clipping denying my claims.

I have put forth a claim and it is for you to put in the work to deny it.

 

[nair]

Since they get votes and are elected, it can be argued that they with their high command culture are still better than BJP or else why will people vote for Lalu and not Modi (who was the face of BJP) in Bihar.

I think the most democratic party (from our available bunch) is CPM..... But then what kind of result they provide is a different matter altogether...... You talk about lalu and modi..... The reason for more votes for lalu we all know..... But Look at the Kerala..... BJP is yet to open an account ever...... So in our democracy you need not win all the states, but look for 272 seats from where ever you get.....

Now I accept that social dynamics like caste and linguistics barriers also play a major role but then it is the job of BJP to cross these hurdles and present themselves as a credible alternative and if they fail to do so then it is evident that people don't put much stock in them

Well it takes time..... Let us not forget couple of decades ago BJP had only 2 seats in LS.....