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My take on Punjab Police after personally dealing with them

There are so many problems with them that yes you forget. Right now my case is related misuse of my ATM which I lost I got the footage but guess what if I give footage to Police on USB they will have to find a Net Cafe or request some shop to use their computer to watch the video. Just imagine that

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Atleast they are listening to your case, I had $2900 disappear from my card in one day from different ATM's in Canada, while I only used it here in Dubai.
And the police here in Dubai had no clue what I was talking about or what to do about it, and after visiting a few police stations I had to drop the idea of filing a case and just go through my bank to recover the money lol
 
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When I criticise Punjab police, I'm very clear about my target..i.e. the bureaucracy and political govt/administration. I know many in Punjab police were not ready to fire on the innocent people in Model town but the orders came from above and Mushtaq Sukhera forced the soldiers to do that. This qatil is responsible along with Shabhaz and Rana Sana... The trio should be hanged publicly.

Despite the soldiers suffering and working in harsh environment, their officers live in big Bungalows spread over kanals and acres of lands with plenty of soldiers working as their servants instead of doing their normal duties.
In addition to these official perks and privileges, Punjab police extorts money, accepts bribes, supports criminals and oppresses the good people among civilians and within the force.

One of the root causes of illnesses in Punjab police are political appointments. PMLn has been a in power for almost 30 years in Punjab and SS destroyed the bureaucracy and especially the police by appointing his political workers and his supporters at key positions in police who in turn ensure that all officers under their commands are also supporters of SS and thus most of the cases are decided based on political interests. So an honest and impartial officer cannot survive in this ocean of cronies so either he has to submit and do as he is told to or just leave the job and settle outside the country.

Fake encounters, among many heinous crimes fake encounters are the worst and under Shahbaz Shareef it has been turned into a culture. Not just criminals, but minor offenders and political opponents are often killed in fake encounters. This promotes lawlessness and fear reigns supreme in the hearts of the people.

I have a lot of bureaucrats in my family and many of them left country because they couldn't cope with the bullying and pressure to become a part of their superior crimes... One of them has an FIR in fake case of murder registered against him when he didn't succumb to the pressure. Two of his brothers were killed by the police. He is now a full professor of electrical engineering at a famous US university. He really misses Pakistan. A very kind and loving guy, respected by his fellows for his knowledge and social work.

I can swear that SS has committed hundreds of murders through fake encounters and I knew it much before Abid Boxer confessed or Model Town massacre happened.


Army officers dont live in bungalows..

Nor do Pak Soldiers work as servants.

Only 1 civilian is given to an officer.

The houses arent “luxurious” 7star standard houses but basic units ..

My own brother is living in a 2 bedroom MOQ.
 
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Army officers dont live in bungalows..

Nor do Pak Soldiers work as servants.

Only 1 civilian is given to an officer.

The houses arent “luxurious” 7star standard houses but basic units ..

My own brother is living in a 2 bedroom MOQ.
Mad bro, I am talking about police...not Pakistan army... Did you bother to read my post? What did I miss there?
 
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My bad.. apologies man.
No problem bro.. I think you think you tripped over "soldiers" and "officers" I guess.. but of course those are for police / bureaucracy.
My most my family is in military service and I know that even a major does not get a car...hardly a Suzuki Bolan which is not even a genuine passenger car..it is more like light transport for goods. Goods start at Brigadier and above..but the fact that army guys have a disciplined life and overall a better living experience in cantts make it a better life experience..In fact most of the military men enjoy life after retirement.
 
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I was speaking to a close friend who returned from his trip to Pakistan and he is from Abbottabad. He says people are very happy with the police and patwari. The police is very polite to the public, if there is an issue then the complaint against the police is taken very seriously.

Patwari runs around you like a dog instead you lining their pockets with money there is a fix fee you pay and done.

Clearly the biggest headache for people is police & patwari.
 
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Sorry for digging up old thread, but Zarvan is a famous person. I was googling back and forth on punjab police and this link also showed up.

From today onward I have decided I won't complain about How Punjab Police works. Because sorry the environmental conditions they work in are beyond disastrous. I work in PU and my office looks like Palace if compared to many Police stations in Lahore. From no AC Dala to disastrous Police Station buildings to 12 to 14 hour duty time. Not to forget even weapons which are given are ancient and less ammunition. Sorry if you really expect them to perform after that than you have lost your brain. All Hail Shabaz Shareef.
You remember there was a post you made few years ago about 150 policemen in every station ? and there was also an incident where you approached FIA for losing a card ?

I went quiet on your proposal of 150 policemen in station coz maybe you didnt like my views. Anyways just wanted to layout a structure that is loosely followed in Punjab Police. Police stations usually have following staff:
1. Foot Patrolling guards ( or COP)
2. Magazine guard
3. Personal guards including VIP escort for out of station high ranking officials.
4. Station staff or Lines establishment staff (permanent duty staff, telephone, runners etc)
5. Investigation staff (Investigation officers, detectives etc)
6. Lock-up guards
7. Guards sanctioned for escort of prisoners and treasure.
8. Judicial guards
9. Motor Mobile Patrol Staff/Guard
10. Traffic Staff (either attached by orders from DIG traffic or under SHO of respective police station)
11. District Inspectors
12. Armed reserve

Considering that most stations are under staffed and most of the staff is on VIP duty or escort duty, the first step should be to ensure that every PS is staffed adequately. Then it has to be seen how many PS are covering just Lahore and the population numbers they are responsible for.

I read your incident of losing card in mall. The approach you took could have been taken in a different manner like making first contact with Bank rather than Police. Its not a CNIC after all, its an ATM card. However, if you do have to approach the Police or any other institution either private like a bank, or semi government like PTCL or Government like Police and you don't phone in advance through some "contact" (Pawa from above), then either know the policy/ law before hand for that matter which cannot be always the case or drag an advocate friend along, otherwise consult knowledgeable folk in your circle who may have had to go through experiences similar to yours and they might be able to guide you in best possible manner before you take your first step when facing an issue. The ignorance or lack of knowledge of a person is what lets him down at many occasions in life, yet if you have speaking skills or you are good at table-talk you will be able to handle situations. Table talk doesn't mean bs-ing your way through a situation rather a combination of assertive talking (knowledge) and the smooth talking (knowing what words, tone and expressions to use). If the above fails, my own experience ( at banks, police stations, Government offices, NADRA etc) is that if you talk in English with a decent accent or fluency, a bit slow so the next person can understand you or pick words that matter, somehow most of the people in different institutions try to accommodate you. I can tell a few experiences where solely English speaking capacity has got the job done (including PS) for me but i hope you get my drift.

The point is, approach the situation with a plan, don't go in blind, deaf and mute.

Lastly, if you have spare time on your hands (yes everybody does if we don't waste time on Netflix, gossips, lazying away on sundays and burning fuel on roads just to get out of the house), then apply for LLB through distance learning. Being a plain MBA or Engineer just doesn't cut much in situations you can face in Pakistan unless you have good backing through real (close) sources at high posts. The word "advocate" with your name helps in Pakistan. Ignore the car plates with "advocate" written on them, most of them don't even have bar license.

PS: Although Johar Town (Emporium Mall incident) is one of the biggest towns in Lahore, there is no Police station there but a "Chowki" unfortunately. You being a Government employee (if im not mistaken) should bring it to Punjab Govt's notice.
 
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The existing colonial extension of a police department cannot deliver .



The top leadership's main focus is on how to settle scores and compete with with the Pakistan administrative service aka glorified xlerks instead of improving law and order ------- their deputations in nadra fia and ib are proving to be detrimental . You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out a guy hired and trained for general policing cannot work let alone call the shots in agencies meant for probing corporate crimes etc but, since the glorified clerks are considered jack of all trades why can't they be allowed?



Induction through css/pms must be stop wef. Hire troopers from thier cities of domicile, promote and keep trasnfering them in the same city's police stations to hold them accountable fair and square if their station is not in order instead of i.g sy report talab kr li .



May be for the post of police chief and and his deputy, officers could be brought from other cities to discourage nepotism but from trooper to s.h.o level all guys should serve and stay in their own city until they get promoted to the rank of deputy/ chief . Moreover citizens would also be well acquainted with the guys responsible for law n order situation



Besides lesser guys working in the officer cadre means more resources are available for the rankers and infra . No need to create any post beyond bps-18 for general policing
Clearly the biggest headache for people is police & patwari.

Its the d.c and the d.p.o
 
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People accept your mistake, independence was a huge mistake, engrez ki ghulami was better then azaadi, and every coming day of azaadi will
From today onward I have decided I won't complain about How Punjab Police works. Because sorry the environmental conditions they work in are beyond disastrous. I work in PU and my office looks like Palace if compared to many Police stations in Lahore. From no AC Dala to disastrous Police Station buildings to 12 to 14 hour duty time. Not to forget even weapons which are given are ancient and less ammunition. Sorry if you really expect them to perform after that than you have lost your brain. All Hail Shabaz Shareef.

Justice and corruption has nothing to do with five star palaces. Pakistani society as whole is corrupt and police is reflecrion of this corruption. Corruption of people a nation comes to light when the corrupt are in power. There they abuse power. 99% police is corrupt n worse then thieves n dakus n gamblers smugglers. Majority of police smuglers killers terrorists rapists drugis all have support of police.

Rule of law can be enforced from Tambu ... Dhaba... Table under a shady tree ... Our first priority should be to over haul entire police force .... Then to educate police forces ... then the create a body to police the police force ... introduce laws to punish police corruption ... Setup stings to catch police corruption ... Hang em in public squares ... Make laws to bribe police force. Ti assault em to curse at them to prevent them from completing their job to create any obstcle is crime 15 years hard labour punishment in labour camps ... Where we produce goods for internal use and exports. Make them work their corruption out. So when they leave they r straight as a straight line.
 
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From today onward I have decided I won't complain about How Punjab Police works. Because sorry the environmental conditions they work in are beyond disastrous. I work in PU and my office looks like Palace if compared to many Police stations in Lahore. From no AC Dala to disastrous Police Station buildings to 12 to 14 hour duty time. Not to forget even weapons which are given are ancient and less ammunition. Sorry if you really expect them to perform after that than you have lost your brain. All Hail Shabaz Shareef.

Almost every province police operate in same conditions and with same facilities. But still I find KP police more friendlier than Punjab. It's not about weaponry and office environments it's about mentality.
 
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Instead of creating Dolphin Force and awesome buildings for them why can't we have that kind of Police Stations
Because they just want to give an impression of reforming, so changed uniforms and made dolphin shits, they have no will to reform police or judiciary because one it's difficult and secondly it may effects politicians grip over those destroyed institutions.
 
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Almost every province police operate in same conditions and with same facilities. But still I find KP police more friendlier than Punjab. It's not about weaponry and office environments it's about mentality.
KPK Police has gone through massive reforms in past 7 years. They have changed a lot. They have been equipped a lot and it's continuous process. Even PTI Government is slow in reforming Punjab Police.
 
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