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Awaein naray noray maar kay do platain he chik latay hain muft kioo Khairaaann good point yaar.. lets hope
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Awaein naray noray maar kay do platain he chik latay hain muft kioo Khairaaann good point yaar.. lets hope
Do you also condemn people supporting ZeA and killing without trial?
Yes, One should follow the law period.
Every one of us know how Law works on this country period. A country in which inter-city train budget is 162 million and province's water supply and sewerage budget is 2 million where only 15% people have access to clean drinking water! What justice do you expect!
Hi, to begin with, Salman taseer did not commit a blasphemy. He pointed out the fact that blasphemy law is being widely misused in the society where 96% population is Mulism. And with extremists like our mullahs, no one can dare commit blasphemy. Hence the law should be re-considered and abolished, because it doesn't link up with islam as islam protects the rights of minorities(as per his interpretation). Thats what he said, sitting with aasia bibi.
How is that a blasphemy? Do you understand what the blasphemy really is? Does your definition of blasphemy simply can tag anyone with reservations over a law that even Quran has not revealed directly, as blasphemers? Does it give open hand to anyone to tag anyone as per his limited understanding as blasphemer, to KILL anyone without any trial? should there be no one to actually look up into matter and see whether the blasphemy was indeed commited or not? Just go and kill?
Heck even in islam, if someone commits blasphemy, One on his own can not be the judge, and executioner. He talked of abolishing the law, Well Sunni tehreek could take it to federal shariah court to ensure that it stays there. WHAT DOES JUSTIFY THE KILLING OF TASEER? Someone who did not even commit the blasphemy in the first place?
Oh really? if he was a blasphemer because he NEGATED the message of prophet, Then each and every one of us is blasphemer. We commit certain sins despite knowning how striclty prophet prohibited. Yet we commit. Aren't we again negating the prophet's message, despite full knowledge, deliberately? Does that make all of Blasphemers and hence wajib-ul-qatal?
Were these goons so sure of his intent that, He meant to DISRESPECT prophet.
About the hadith you have quoted, Why don't you quote the abdullah bin ubi who used talk of ills of prophet yet was not awarded any punishment by the prophet? Why don't you talk of those whom prophet forgave. even if they had pained prophet mentally and physically?
This law is controversial in the first place, secondly the definition of blasphemy does not fit with taseer's case. Thirdly no one has the right to go and kill anyone he thinks is a blasphemer. Just because he thinks he is.
And the enemy has a rocket launcher and anti aircraft gunYes Indeed. Because you cannot hang or award capital punishment to anyone (arrested) without a trial unless you are in a battle field and have to kill the enemy.
unfortunately he went away thanks to CJ Iftikhar Chodry during PPP democracyI wish the similar justice could be dispensed in the Raymond Davis who killed 2 Pakistanis and caused the death of 2 other Pakistanis and went out of the country unpunished.
Yes Indeed. Because you cannot hang or award capital punishment to anyone (arrested) without a trial unless you are in a battle field and have to kill the enemy.
NO you cannot instigate people to wish for killing of so and so without a trial. It is a crime
Ok - You are free to stick with line of mazakarat. I want encounter justice for every terrorist and trouble making mullah just like malik ishaq got in Punjab, TTP getting in FATA and Karachi, BLA getting in Baluchistan.
"I dont want to go through the system of law, Just an encounter and thats it," Thats exactly what he did and thats what should be done with serious trouble makers, That the same our respecable army does!.
Then why do Pakistani textbooks and doctrines eulogize Ilm Din? May be Qadri was trying to follow in his footsteps? The entire edifice is fatally flawed in its present form.
Thats logical,
So lets start from the start!
Justifying the LAW:
1. Ahadees i quoted, The prophet in first 2 ahadees Justified the killing of blasphamer. (Here the prophet PARDONED the killer of blasphamer)
2. The prophet ORDERED the killing of the one who "Abuses" the Prophet and brand those who abuse Sahaba.
3. In Hadees #4, #5, #6 The Prophet ASKED who will kill the blasphamer. (repeated ORDER)
4. In the #7 There is again ORDER to kill the blasphamer and Hazrat Khalid bin waleed did that.
The prophet Ordered to kill the blasphemers and did not order to (NOT KILL them). I hope you understand the IMPORTANCE of an ORDER!
After The prophet, There were Khlafa e Rashideen and sahaba, (i hope you dont consider yourself equal to them by any mean) they Followed the same orders and the LAW prevailed.
IGNORE (or you can go deep and study the history) The middle ages and come straight to Pakistan's Law of blasphemy!
So its proved that Death penalty for blasphemy is Proved from the life of Prophet and from Orders (LAWS) of prophet.
Answer 2:
It is on record that bib Aasia was on a death row after her crimes were proved in court of law:
"On October 16, 2014 the Lahore High Court dismissed Noreen's appeal and upheld her death sentence."
And the main said, ye KALA qanoon hy, We should protect minorities.
Insulting the Verdict of the court of law, Insulting the LAW made by the Prophet, Trying to compromise the LAW to save the minorities.
here is must say that We MUST protect our minorities BUT not on the expense of the blasphemy law.
If a Minority commits the crime, must face the court of law, if comes out innocent, well and good, if the crime is proved, MUST face the justice!
.Insulting the Verdict of the court of law, Insulting the LAW made by the Prophet, Trying to compromise the LAW to save the minorities
I like how you guy are pulling random stats out of nowhere. As per CIA fact book (Sunni 85-90%, Shia 10-15%). Rest there is no data. But I do know for sure, Deobandis and Alh-Hadees are gaining ground on Barlvavis. Whole baralvi neighborhoods that I once knew in Pindi and Islamabad are not Baravlis anymore. Mainly due to old set of working class Pakistanis returning from Mid-east with new toughs and theirs Kids finding jobs in ME. Plus education and Internet. Another reason is that Deobandis and Alh-Hadees use similar if not same Text books that are used in other main stream Islamic institutions internationally, i.e of Medina KSA or Al-Azhar Egypt.
Mumtaz Qadari followed Bralvi sect and was inspired by Bralvi mufti Hanif Qureshi fatwa. I want to hear from Barlvis who are quick to call others terrorist and all sort of names. What do they think about him.
Hi,I wish the similar justice could be dispensed in the Raymond Davis who killed 2 Pakistanis and caused the death of 2 other Pakistanis and went out of the country unpunished.