Mumtaz Qadri Hanged in Adiyala Jail

[Zibago]

oo Khairaaann good point yaar.. lets hope

Awaein naray noray maar kay do platain he chik latay hain muft ki

 

[Spring Onion]

Do you also condemn people supporting ZeA and killing without trial?

Yes Indeed. Because you cannot hang or award capital punishment to anyone (arrested) without a trial unless you are in a battle field and have to kill the enemy.

 

[Mrc]

Yes, One should follow the law period.

Every one of us know how Law works on this country period. A country in which inter-city train budget is 162 million and province's water supply and sewerage budget is 2 million where only 15% people have access to clean drinking water! What justice do you expect!

That can be an excuse to fix the system ... its not an excuse to break the law

 

[shining eyes]

Hi, to begin with, Salman taseer did not commit a blasphemy. He pointed out the fact that blasphemy law is being widely misused in the society where 96% population is Mulism. And with extremists like our mullahs, no one can dare commit blasphemy. Hence the law should be re-considered and abolished, because it doesn't link up with islam as islam protects the rights of minorities(as per his interpretation). Thats what he said, sitting with aasia bibi.

How is that a blasphemy? Do you understand what the blasphemy really is? Does your definition of blasphemy simply can tag anyone with reservations over a law that even Quran has not revealed directly, as blasphemers? Does it give open hand to anyone to tag anyone as per his limited understanding as blasphemer, to KILL anyone without any trial? should there be no one to actually look up into matter and see whether the blasphemy was indeed commited or not? Just go and kill?

Heck even in islam, if someone commits blasphemy, One on his own can not be the judge, and executioner. He talked of abolishing the law, Well Sunni tehreek could take it to federal shariah court to ensure that it stays there. WHAT DOES JUSTIFY THE KILLING OF TASEER? Someone who did not even commit the blasphemy in the first place?

Oh really? if he was a blasphemer because he NEGATED the message of prophet, Then each and every one of us is blasphemer. We commit certain sins despite knowning how striclty prophet prohibited. Yet we commit. Aren't we again negating the prophet's message, despite full knowledge, deliberately? Does that make all of Blasphemers and hence wajib-ul-qatal?

Were these goons so sure of his intent that, He meant to DISRESPECT prophet.

About the hadith you have quoted, Why don't you quote the abdullah bin ubi who used talk of ills of prophet yet was not awarded any punishment by the prophet? Why don't you talk of those whom prophet forgave. even if they had pained prophet mentally and physically?

This law is controversial in the first place, secondly the definition of blasphemy does not fit with taseer's case. Thirdly no one has the right to go and kill anyone he thinks is a blasphemer. Just because he thinks he is.

Thats logical,

So lets start from the start!

Justifying the LAW:

1. Ahadees i quoted, The prophet in first 2 ahadees Justified the killing of blasphamer. (Here the prophet PARDONED the killer of blasphamer)
2. The prophet ORDERED the killing of the one who "Abuses" the Prophet and brand those who abuse Sahaba.
3. In Hadees #4, #5, #6 The Prophet ASKED who will kill the blasphamer. (repeated ORDER)
4. In the #7 There is again ORDER to kill the blasphamer and Hazrat Khalid bin waleed did that.
The prophet Ordered to kill the blasphemers and did not order to (NOT KILL them). I hope you understand the IMPORTANCE of an ORDER!

After The prophet, There were Khlafa e Rashideen and sahaba, (i hope you dont consider yourself equal to them by any mean) they Followed the same orders and the LAW prevailed.

IGNORE (or you can go deep and study the history) The middle ages and come straight to Pakistan's Law of blasphemy!

So its proved that Death penalty for blasphemy is Proved from the life of Prophet and from Orders (LAWS) of prophet.

Answer 2:

It is on record that bib Aasia was on a death row after her crimes were proved in court of law:
"On October 16, 2014 the Lahore High Court dismissed Noreen's appeal and upheld her death sentence."

And the main said, ye KALA qanoon hy, We should protect minorities.

Insulting the Verdict of the court of law, Insulting the LAW made by the Prophet, Trying to compromise the LAW to save the minorities.

here is must say that We MUST protect our minorities BUT not on the expense of the blasphemy law.

If a Minority commits the crime, must face the court of law, if comes out innocent, well and good, if the crime is proved, MUST face the justice!

 

[Zibago]

Yes Indeed. Because you cannot hang or award capital punishment to anyone (arrested) without a trial unless you are in a battle field and have to kill the enemy.

And the enemy has a rocket launcher and anti aircraft gun

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I wish the similar justice could be dispensed in the Raymond Davis who killed 2 Pakistanis and caused the death of 2 other Pakistanis and went out of the country unpunished.

unfortunately he went away thanks to CJ Iftikhar Chodry during PPP democracy

my 2 cents for this murderer

 

[Sugarcane]

Yes Indeed. Because you cannot hang or award capital punishment to anyone (arrested) without a trial unless you are in a battle field and have to kill the enemy.

Ok - You are free to stick with line of mazakarat. I want encounter justice for every terrorist and trouble making mullah just like malik ishaq got in Punjab, TTP getting in FATA and Karachi, BLA getting in Baluchistan.

 

[VCheng]

NO you cannot instigate people to wish for killing of so and so without a trial. It is a crime

Then why do Pakistani textbooks and doctrines eulogize Ilm Din? May be Qadri was trying to follow in his footsteps? The entire edifice is fatally flawed in its present form.

 

[shining eyes]

Ok - You are free to stick with line of mazakarat. I want encounter justice for every terrorist and trouble making mullah just like malik ishaq got in Punjab, TTP getting in FATA and Karachi, BLA getting in Baluchistan.

Haha Lovicon,

The mentality of Mumtaz Qadri and Yours is exactly the same!

"I dont want to go through the system of law, Just an encounter and thats it," Thats exactly what he did and thats what should be done with serious trouble makers, That the same our respecable army does!.

Just for fun...guys! For some.... its a DEEP thought!

Then why do Pakistani textbooks and doctrines eulogize Ilm Din? May be Qadri was trying to follow in his footsteps? The entire edifice is fatally flawed in its present form.

What you think is right may not be right for someone else or may not be right AT ALL!

Everyone has his own arguments and you listen to those who are specialised in the subject, You dont listen to an accountant for a medical advice or you dont listen to an engineer for heart problems.

 

[Side-Winder]

Thats logical,

So lets start from the start!

Justifying the LAW:

1. Ahadees i quoted, The prophet in first 2 ahadees Justified the killing of blasphamer. (Here the prophet PARDONED the killer of blasphamer)
2. The prophet ORDERED the killing of the one who "Abuses" the Prophet and brand those who abuse Sahaba.
3. In Hadees #4, #5, #6 The Prophet ASKED who will kill the blasphamer. (repeated ORDER)
4. In the #7 There is again ORDER to kill the blasphamer and Hazrat Khalid bin waleed did that.
The prophet Ordered to kill the blasphemers and did not order to (NOT KILL them). I hope you understand the IMPORTANCE of an ORDER!

After The prophet, There were Khlafa e Rashideen and sahaba, (i hope you dont consider yourself equal to them by any mean) they Followed the same orders and the LAW prevailed.

IGNORE (or you can go deep and study the history) The middle ages and come straight to Pakistan's Law of blasphemy!

So its proved that Death penalty for blasphemy is Proved from the life of Prophet and from Orders (LAWS) of prophet.

Answer 2:

It is on record that bib Aasia was on a death row after her crimes were proved in court of law:
"On October 16, 2014 the Lahore High Court dismissed Noreen's appeal and upheld her death sentence."

And the main said, ye KALA qanoon hy, We should protect minorities.

Insulting the Verdict of the court of law, Insulting the LAW made by the Prophet, Trying to compromise the LAW to save the minorities.

here is must say that We MUST protect our minorities BUT not on the expense of the blasphemy law.

If a Minority commits the crime, must face the court of law, if comes out innocent, well and good, if the crime is proved, MUST face the justice!

Insulting the Verdict of the court of law, Insulting the LAW made by the Prophet, Trying to compromise the LAW to save the minorities

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Yes, Billions of people on this planet, insult the law made by the prophet (if that is what you call insult as and susequenctly blasphemy, Now don't be a hypocrite and change the definition of insult, what you already have defined "negating/ignoring the message of prophet"). They all should be killed? Right I get it. Just like we all should be, Leaving a namaz intentionally, is Kufr-Like, and ofcourse you just violated a clear ORDER of the Prophet. Not?

Stop skipping things in my posts,

And why did those laws let someone like abdullah bin ubi die a natural death followed by prophet offering his namaz-e-janaza? Why did those laws let, the prophet forgive thousands of those who called him LIAR, magician and what not? Why did that law let the prophet forgive the old lady, that used to throw garbage on him?

I don't know the authenticity of the hadith you're quoting, But dear, The if those chaps committed blasphemy and were ordered to be killed. then the Prophet knew they committed blasphemy and had gone way too far in that, The Prophet was the JUDGE. In the present world. , if someone makes the claim that an X is blasphemer, Then the logic as well as the islam, requires the claim to be PROVED by the Qazi. YOU CAN NOT JUST KILL ANYONE LIKE THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK OR CLAIM HE COMMITTED BLASPHEMY.

Salman taseer was not a shatm-e-rasool, Had he been, All the muslims would agree he is, But the fact all of them don't. That simply makes it controversial and hence to be decided by the Qazi. Who the hell is an "ABC" to assume, that he was shatm-e-rasool no matter what thousands of other arguments can be put up in defence? it was not to be decided the qadri's rifle. That goon instead, abused his own oath and uniform.

Salman taseer's statement was not even CLOSE to blasphemy. Like i said, if negating prophet's word is what you define blasphemy as, then WE ALL ARE SOMEWHERE BLASPHEMERS. You commit a sin despite knowning it's in contradiction with prophet's word, Isn't that an insult to prophet? Why not apply the gustaakhi here?

Coming to salman's case:
He simply pointed out the fact that this law is being misused, People like aasia who don't have any means to hire lawyers for them, can fall easy prey to religious biggots, Thus, with a muslim majority country like Pakistan where 96% population is muslim, One isn't a fool to commit blasphemy. Hence the law should be abolished, because a number of people have been falsely accused of blasphemy,

And it's not like, he was hell bent on abolishing the law, He said, With this law being active, there must be, along with that, a complete verification process in order to ensure the falsely accused victim and then if the accuser proves to be a liar, then the law would apply on him/her.


it's just like mullahs arguing over religious matters and justifying their sectarian interpretation. Does that mean they all should be killed?

Get a life, you fool. You're judging someone without having an effin clue that reality could be something else. People like Qadri and their Mullahs ARE THE DISGRACING FACE OF ISLAM, WHO HAVE ZERO RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE and are ready to issue Kill liscences based upon their perceptions. not him!

Now expressing reservations over the law that can be debated, (because it does not have any clear orders from Quran), DOES NOT MAKE YOU A BLASPHEMER.



Salman falls no where near the category of blasphemers, if this is so hard to understand for you, if you wish to be an extremist. Then please go and kill thousands of your fellow pakistanis who today are supporting salman taseer and even support the abolishment of blasphemy law, many of them being on this very forum.

Yes go ahead, they all are insulting prophet and are wajib ul qatal. and if you don't, you are disobeying a direct order, That would make you a blasphemer. So may be i can come kill you. How about that?


P.S watch that video of that chap ilyas qadri, isn't he and mumtaz qadri supposed to be on same page?
P.S Forcetrip asked you to find the Books, find the refered page, and then take screen shot of it or take pic.


Now Watch this clip and be honest with yourself whether he was GUSTAAKH or was exaggerated by the Mullahs. And here we are talking about an aashiq who after committing murder, pleads for 'Mercy', His party offers Qasas to Taseer's family so Qadri could get out of prison. lol

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=747150808709834

 

[RabzonKhan]

After a long time our judiciary has done something that is praiseworthy.

Good for Pakistan, it sends a clear message to would-be terrorists that no one has the right to take the law into their own hands.

Bty, I hope Zarvan is OK!

 

[waz]

I like how you guy are pulling random stats out of nowhere. As per CIA fact book (Sunni 85-90%, Shia 10-15%). Rest there is no data. But I do know for sure, Deobandis and Alh-Hadees are gaining ground on Barlvavis. Whole baralvi neighborhoods that I once knew in Pindi and Islamabad are not Baravlis anymore. Mainly due to old set of working class Pakistanis returning from Mid-east with new toughs and theirs Kids finding jobs in ME. Plus education and Internet. Another reason is that Deobandis and Alh-Hadees use similar if not same Text books that are used in other main stream Islamic institutions internationally, i.e of Medina KSA or Al-Azhar Egypt.

I've seen more people abandon Ahle Hadith ideas that any other sect so far. The Deobandis remain steady but have started to suffer massively in the West, due to so many terrorist groups have similar roots, that's not to say mainstream Deobandis are terrorists.

Mumtaz Qadari followed Bralvi sect and was inspired by Bralvi mufti Hanif Qureshi fatwa. I want to hear from Barlvis who are quick to call others terrorist and all sort of names. What do they think about him.

This is one man. You seriously can't be drawing a comparison between him and the likes of Sipah Sahaba, Lashkar e Jhangvi, TTP, Jammat-ul-Ahrar, Al-Qaeda, and Lashkar-e-Islam etc? These groups have declared open war against the state and army, they slaughter minorities, kill Muslims who disagree with them, bomb market places, kill children, rob banks attack schools, heck there isn't a crime they don't do. None of these groups are "Barelvi".



As for his death, he murdered someone in cold blood. This was the punishment for the crime.

 

[airmarshal]

I m surprised at this news. I was not expecting this.

I had no sympathy for Mumtaz Qadri. Salman Taseer was doing the right thing. He was raising voice against abuse of blasphemy law.

 

[Tari]

I am in Karachi and I am glad to report no untoward incident has happened in the wake of Qadri's hanging.

This murderer got what he deserved, and the chapter is closed.

 

[salarsikander]

I wish the similar justice could be dispensed in the Raymond Davis who killed 2 Pakistanis and caused the death of 2 other Pakistanis and went out of the country unpunished.

Hi,

But didn't he pay the Islamic diyah? Which the deceased family gladly accepted.

So I don't understand how the justice wasn't dispensed