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[Kabira]

Secondly, Karachiites, whether they are urdu speakers or non- urdu speakers, voted for PTI.. They voted for candidates who belong to any ethnic background and alhamdolillah we have won 2/3rd majority in a single city.. This was the first election after Altaf the Ghaddar spread his filth in 2016..

I exposed this racist lie, stop MQM propaganda. Punjabi, pashtuns, sindhis, baloch are registered and counted in Karachi!

This shows that we have love for Pakistan.. unlike you lot.. (and I am not talking about all Punjabis), who don't care about your country and even go on asking for a separate homeland in love of Qatari Aunty and her abba..

Merely repeating that I am a Anti Pakistan/ Anti Army will not make me one.. but asking for break up of Pakistan has certainly made you a traitor..

Karachi is a mini Pakistan.. you hate it or love it, but you guys can't ignore it.. I love it when people like you with inferiority complex about the largest city in Pakistan cry like babies against Karachi.. but you can't do anything..

You accuse army of carrying out fake census to count less people on purpose, typical MQM propaganda tactics against army/Pakistan/punjab. You are projecting yourself when talking about complex, don't bother. Karachi isn't example of great ethnic harmony in Pakistan because of people like. You want to see mini Pakistan? Go visit Islamabad and Lahore. Millions of urdu speakers migrated to punjab/lahore, have you heard of them? Probably not. Now I don't need to tell you what goes on in so called mini Pakistan.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Stop fooling yourself and others. No matter how many personal attacks you make on others. It still stands that almost all of you are anti state snakes waiting to strike Pakistan where it expects least.

No quantity of your lies will sway us otherwise.

Your parents talk in this manner with you? I think this is your real mother tongue..

Imagine your father saying to you "you dumb fvck.. you MF!"

This is the kind I was referring to in my earlier comment.. Otherwise Punjabis are very nice people.. why I am saying this? Because I am married to a Punjabi..

Good thing is that they also identify you lot in them.. For example.. they call these foul mouth "dagga wala punjabi".. But I don't call you lot like that.. it's your own brethren.

By the way.. good to tell about your uncle who is living in Karachi and a "billionaire" and living his life successfully when "dumb fvcks" are around..

Looks like the whole family speaks the same language.. isn't it?

Anyway, I am all for Pakistan.. A person can speak his heart on a forum where he has no identity.. So if you are saying this.. it was in your heart from the beginning.. it just triggered by something recently.. So I believe you have been told in your childhood "urdu speakers/ muhajrs are all dumb fvcks, you dumb fvck MF.. get this in your head you MF".. You grew with that hate isn't it?

And if I am saying "Long Live Pakistan and Long Live Every Community, Every Pakistani Living on this Blessed Land" on a forum, sitting outside of Pakistan, where I could have said bad things about my country.. I am speaking what I have been told since my childhood.. This is the difference..

 

[PakSword]

Stop fooling yourself and others. No matter how many personal attacks you make on others. It still stands that almost all of you are anti state snakes waiting to strike Pakistan where it expects least.

No quantity of your lies will sway us otherwise.

Personal attacks? lolll.
I just responded in a language you understand.. I mean what your mother tongue is.. like the little sentences your have heard when you arrived in this world.. such as "you dumb fvck.. MF"

This is what you have started with in your comment.. isn't it? And yes, I don't need to fool a nobody or tell a lie to a nobody on an online forum.. No benefit of this to me..

 

[El Sidd]

No I am saying that when I visited Karachi I only interacted with high class pseudo enlightened intellectuals.

But here I have interacted with every kind Karachiite and gotten a FULL view of a Karachiite state of mind.

None of the Karachiites I met have been able to give me a satisfactoey answer to the question of fake so called "mohajirs" and "urdu speakers".

I do believe the diaspora has struggled with an identity crisis largely imposed by fascists within them.

Thats however True with every diaspora throughout history. Its actually a known phenonmenon Heimweh.

It is however also noted that the sentiment of Urdu imposition is also quite famous.

However the word muhajir is only for People who actually migrated not for People born in Pakistan to Pakistani citizens to carry. Its a disgraceful attempt to create an ethinicity out of thin air.

 

[PakSword]

I exposed this racist lie, stop MQM propaganda. We now know reality of Karachi registered voters.

Karachi's urdu speakers decide which party will win.. so before 2016, it was MQM.. after that it is PTI.. like it or not..

and you noonies don't have to worry about us Karachiites.. Every thread about Karachi, and you are in that like a roach. Are you really desperate.. like Indian are about Pakistan?

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

U nailed it bro. These hypocrites when they move to Rawalpindi/Islamabad all of a sudden become such tameezdar people and forget all their racial plight.

Islamabad and Lahore are also mini Pakistan as you will find karachiwalas, pathans(love pathans except fake urdu speak pathans) balochis etc all live in major cities.

Almost every major city would be a mini Pakistan. Not withstanding the arrogance of Karachiwalas.

And as far as the mini Pakistan is concerned none of its snakes can answer logically and rationally as to the question of fake so called "mohajirs" and "urdu speaks".

 

[Kabira]

No I am saying that when I visited Karachi I only interacted with high class pseudo enlightened intellectuals.

But here I have interacted with every kind Karachiite and gotten a FULL view of a Karachiite state of mind.

None of the Karachiites I met have been able to give me a satisfactoey answer to the question of fake so called "mohajirs" and "urdu speakers".

If you expect any diaspora but punjabi to sing jivay jivay Pakistan they you need to get realistic with your expectations.

 

[El Sidd]

U nailed it bro. These hypocrites when they move to Rawalpindi/Islamabad all of a sudden become such tameezdar people and forget all their racial plight.

Islamabad and Lahore are also mini Pakistan as you will find karachiwalas, pathans(love pathans except fake urdu speak pathans) balochis etc all live in major cities.

Almost every major city would be a mini Pakistan. Not withstanding the arrogance of Karachiwalas.

And as far as the mini Pakistan is concerned none of its snakes can answer logically and rationally as to the question of fake so called "mohajirs" and "urdu speaks".

If this was directed at Me.

Can you please help my Argument with this

Millions of urdu speakers migrated to punjab/lahore, have you heard of them? Probably not.

 

[PakSword]

You want to see mini Pakistan? Go visit Islamabad and Lahore.

Chalo bhaee.. poori duniya aik taraf 2 noothiay doosri taraf.. loll

Yes.. there are millions of others living in Islamabad and Lahore.. more than even in Karachi..

 

[khansaheeb]

That is YOUR experience.
Ask you big hearted Afghan friends this: Do you accept the Durand-Khan Border as the de jure border?
Ask them this: Do you think Afghanistan not accepting Pakistan in 1947 was wrong? Do you think supporting ethnic insurgencies in the border regions in the 50's and 60's was wrong? Do you think that the Loya Jirga decision of 1949 was the right thing to do?

My Afghan friends who do not hate me or other individual Pakistanis, do not accept the Durand-Khan Border as the de jure border. My Afghan friends who often pay for our meals out together consider Pakistan to have cut a deep wound in the Afghan nation by not returning Afghan land.

The fact is that as a nation Afghanistan considers Pakistan to be occupying her territory and severing her nation. Now there may be "big hearted" Afghans who do actually accept Pakistan and her borders and consider Pakistani Puktoons as trues Pakistanis as Sindhis or Punjabis etc etc...but they are a minority....

Also there is no need for ad hominems, it does not add to your argument.


It seems you and I agree on the "big picture" but differ on the strategy.

You know Pakistan offered the hand of friendship to Afghanistan in the early days and kept the border open for those "human element" reasons. But who rejected it?

The underlying resentment is the fact that KPK and Baluchistan are Pakistani! Even when there was an open border there was this resentment and ethnic insurgencies were stoked up by Afghanistan in the 50's and 60's. Resentment will always be there unless Pakistan "returns Afghan" land.

Now Pakistan is in no position to topple the Kabul regime or take over significant Afghan territory. NATO ain't leaving anytime soon. Do you actually think that Pakistan can economically and politically maintain this should she militarily achieve this (which is unlikely with NATO presence)??

Look Pakistan has trouble creating prosperity in Pakistan. And you speak of Afghanistan?

And should Pakistan do as you say, that will breed even more resentment. Mark my words.
Afghans do not even being like governed by other Afghans. Why do you think that they will appreciate DaalKhor or Gul Khan.


Containment is the least worst option.

A closed border is in the long term OVERALL interests of Pakistan despite human elements and RAW/CIA taking advantage of that. RAW/CIA will take advantage of anything that Pakistan does/does not do. If Pakistan keeps the border open, she will take advantage of that. If Pakistan keeps a closed border than they will take advantage
of that. If Pakistan gives citizenship to millions of Afghan refugees, she will take advantage of that. If Pakistan does NOT give citizenship to Afghans then RAW/CIA will take advantage of that.


Pakistan is ALREADY in the midst of a two front (hybrid) war. Have you not realised this?

You are not the average poster, so Mr TMA I wonder what your background is, it seems you are well trained for forums?:-

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Paul Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement lists ad hominem as the second lowest type of argument in a disagreement.
Ad hominem (Latin for "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.[2] The terms ad mulierem[3] and ad feminam[4] have been used specifically when the person receiving the criticism is female.

However, its original meaning was an argument "calculated to appeal to the person addressed more than to impartial reason".[5]

Fallacious ad hominem reasoning is categorized as an informal fallacy,[6][7][8] more precisely as a genetic fallacy, a subcategory of fallacies of irrelevance.

Contents

• 1Types
  • 1.1Tu quoque
  • 1.2Circumstantial
  • 1.3Guilt by association
• 2Non-fallacious reasoning
• 3Criticism as a fallacy
• 4See also
• 5References
• 6Further reading
• 7External links

Types

 

[Kabira]

Chalo bhaee.. poori duniya aik taraf 2 noothiay doosri taraf.. loll

Yes.. there are millions of others living in Islamabad and Lahore.. more than even in Karachi..

Because in Karachi they will always remains "others". Otherwise so called ethnic groups of Pakistan like pathans, baloch, sindhis, muhajirs are all found in Lahore and Islamabad and other cities.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Almost all of Karachi speaks urdu.
So does Lahore Islamabad Quetta Pehsawer Larkana Faisalabad Attock Gwadar.

Almost all of them can speak urdu albeit some with an aceent but all can speak urdu.

This is the very thing I am trying to point out how you people are sooo obsessed with the idea that Karachi is the ultimate decider of all of Pakistan and how Karachi is just born to rule all of Pakistan.

We all cant live without the other. Lahore cannot live without Peshawer cannot without Islamabad without Rawalpindi.

But no matter how much you people lie about proclaiming your loyalty to all of Pakistan. This false idea of highness and superiority is just drilled into the core of all Karachiwalas. Your Pakistan starts in karachi and ends in Karachi.

Karachi's urdu speakers decide which party will win.. so before 2016, it was MQM.. after that it is PTI.. like it or not..

and you noonies don't have to worry about us Karachiites.. Every thread about Karachi, and you are in that like a roach. Are you really desperate.. like Indian are about Pakistan?

 

[El Sidd]

Because in Karachi they will always remains "others". Otherwise so called ethnic groups of Pakistan like pathans, baloch, sindhis, muhajirs are all found in Lahore and Islamabad and other cities.

None of them are ethinicities.

However can be classified as Lingual Groups.

Administrative units do Not equal ethinicity or Lingual Group.

 

[PakSword]

Almost all of Karachi speaks urdu.
So does Lahore Islamabad Quetta Pehsawer Larkana Faisalabad Attock Gwadar.

Almost all of them can speak urdu albeit some with an aceent but all can speak urdu.

This is the very thing I am trying to point out how you people are sooo obsessed with the idea that Karachi is the ultimate decider of all of Pakistan and how Karachi is just born to rule all of Pakistan.

We all cant live without the other. Lahore cannot live without Peshawer cannot without Islamabad without Rawalpindi.

But no matter how much you people lie about proclaiming your loyalty to all of Pakistan. This false idea of highness and superiority is just drilled into the core of all Karachiwalas. Your Pakistan starts in karachi and ends in Karachi.

Forget about urdu. . You have forgotten your mother tongue?

 

[El Sidd]

Karachi is the ultimate decider of all of Pakistan

Its the Financial capital of the country. It will always have influence.

Simple economics.

Thats why India had its Proxy government there as Mafia raj