Most of Pakistan isn't a part of the Indian sub-continent

[Army research]

To begin with Indian sub-continent should not be used. I have worn myself out here trying to explain to Paks not to fcukin use terms like India sub-continent, desi, Asian, Muslim and the other synonyms I hear. If we don't own the name 'Pakistan' nobody else will. Specifically with referance to Indian Sub-continent post 1947 that term should have been dropped. These are geographic descriptors and a more neutral term like South Asia should be used. Simply because the term 'India' was branded in 1947 by a nation state called Bharat. Thus to prevent any ambiquity and to be neutral all the states that occupy trhe region South Asia should be used.

With referance to what you say it's not entirely this simple. From tectonic point of view what you said true. But in human geography and even physical geography rivers tend to bind and not separate. Consider Ganga. You can' divide northern plains of Ganga from the souther plains. Similiarly Indus is one physical water system that includes good chunk of Afghanistan. Kabul River is a tributary of Indus as much as Jhelum is.

Where Pakistan should focus on is Indus River simply because one can see Pakistan is underpinned by it. Pakistan occupies most of the Indus Basin. Pakistan can be used as a synomym for Indus Basin. That is why I use that handle. Some of the Indus Basin does extend into Afghanistan, China and India but as the map below shows Pakistan is central to the Indus Basin. In fact in Pakistan you can't really escape from the Indus Basin.

Sir to say I have tried a lot to explain this to my age mates would he and understatement I have to say , yet our people's are more inclined to learn about priyanka chopras marriage than what separates us from the gangetic hordes posted to destroy us and how our pushtun brothers sit in Afghanistan occupied by parsi and dari invaders ,

 

[BringHarmony]

But that is conjecture at most. I find extremely easy to tell the difference between a Pakistani Punjabi and an indian Punjabi. Even more easier to tell the diference butween a Pakistani and an indian.

Lets do one thing. I will prepare a collage of faces containing Pakistani faces and non-Pakistani faces. Lets see how many of those you can correctly identify. That way we can put an end to this argument once and for all. Agreed?

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

You do realize that a sports event does not last all year round, right? Its a one-off thing. People here in Canada and rest of the 'western' world do not live in fear of being called for any particular ethnicity. They call themselves whatever they want to suit their own agenda.

What are you talking about? Where are you from in Canada? Every Canadian loses his marbles if you call him American, the common Canadian hates the Americans. They consider them cocky and irritating. Although when the Americans go abroad they classify themselves as canadians, cause we get treated better.

 

[BringHarmony]

What are you talking about? Where are you from in Canada? Every Canadian loses his marbles if you call him American, the common Canadian hates the Americans. They consider them cocky and irritating. Although when the Americans go abroad they classify themselves as canadians, cause we get treated better.

I am from BC, specifically North Van.
And no, we don't hate or anything, but we correct people if they are making incorrect assumption. We do like to jeer Americans and they do jeer back at us. Most of the time, most of us, Americans and Canadians do not wave our nationality when we meet strangers. And no, no one loses marbles over such a honest mistake: Mistaking Canadians for Americans or vice-versa. We do get irritated when people pester us knowingly.

How the hell you came to this conclusion that common Canadians hate Americans?

http://www.pewglobal.org/interactives/us-image/

Only very recently --mostly due to Donald Trump-- US image has gone down and still about 40% of Canadians hold a positive image of US. Historically a majority (Mostly > 60%) has held a positive image of the US.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Lets do one thing. I will prepare a collage of faces containing Pakistani faces and non-Pakistani faces. Lets see how many of those you can correctly identify. That way we can put an end to this argument once and for all. Agreed?

That means nothing because it would be created with biases which would make that teste unreliable. Also the sample size would not suffice. You can even post pictures of Arabs and Iranians who look dark and "South Asian". Doesn't mean they are indian racially. I have lived in London over 35 years and been to Pakistan over 30 times. I have seen countless indians and Pakistanis and it is very EASY to tell the two apart.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

I am from BC, specifically North Van.
And no, we don't hate or anything, but we correct people if they are making incorrect assumption. We do like to jeer Americans and they do jeer back at us. Most of the time, most of us, Americans and Canadians do not wave our nationality when we meet strangers. And no, no one loses marbles over such a honest mistake: Mistaking Canadians for Americans or vice-versa. We do get irritated when people pester us knowingly.

How the hell you came to this conclusion that common Canadians hate Americans?

http://www.pewglobal.org/interactives/us-image/

Only very recently --mostly due to Donald Trump-- US image has gone down and still about 40% of Canadians hold a positive image of US. Historically a majority (Mostly > 60%) has held a positive image of the US.

This is interesting, you seem to talk of something else the reality. We here in the plains do not like them at all and it's a fact

 

[BringHarmony]

That means nothing because it would be created with biases which would make that teste unreliable. Also the sample size would not suffice. You can even post pictures of Arabs and Iranians who look dark and "South Asian". Doesn't mean they are indian racially. I have lived in London over 35 years and been to Pakistan over 30 times. I have seen countless indians and Pakistanis and it is very EASY to tell the two apart.

If it is that easy to tell two apart by just looking then you should perform significantly better than a control. And relax, I will include proof how a person is of a particular nationality by the source picture where they come from.

We can remove bias in a simple manner. Lets take a set of say 100 faces of Indian Punjabis and 100 faces of say Pakistani punjabis where no visible cultural features like head-scarf, turbans, beards etc are present. Then randomly create a collage of say 20 Pakistani and 10 Indians. You can repeat the expriment with a fresh set of 20 Pakistani and 10 Indians to further remove bias. We can take best of say 3 attempts.

This is interesting, you seem to talk of something else the reality. We here in the plains do not like them at all and it's a fact

If by we you mean Pakistani - Canadians, I can certainly understand. But as you can see in Pew polls, historically US had a very positive image in Canada.

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

I can tell apart Pothwari speakers in the north and Seraiki speakers in the south due to skin colour and facial features. But can you tell apart a Lahori and Amritsari?

Yeah.

For reasons they are proud of their panjabiness and have some sort of superiority complex vis other indians.

This trend is also the case with Marathas, Kashmiris, Brahmins, Rajputs, etc. If they're Indian and they have a prestigious background, they tend to flex it (but this isn't just an Indian thing, all people do this).

Lets do one thing. I will prepare a collage of faces containing Pakistani faces and non-Pakistani faces. Lets see how many of those you can correctly identify. That way we can put an end to this argument once and for all. Agreed?

No, because you can easily just selectively choose people to fit your narrative, all brown people tend to look vaguely the same, and because looks are entirely subjective.

Lets take a set of say 100 faces of Indian Punjabis and 100 faces of say Pakistani punjabis where no visible cultural features like head-scarf, turbans, beards etc are present.

Those cultural features are part of what makes us look different.

I've got a better idea. Dump in other brown people (all of a similarish shade) too into your little collage of faces, with the same criteria applied to all of them. You're going to notice how difficult it is to distinguish between them.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

If it is that easy to tell two apart by just looking then you should perform significantly better than a control. And relax, I will include proof how a person is of a particular nationality by the source picture where they come from.

We can remove bias in a simple manner. Lets take a set of say 100 faces of Indian Punjabis and 100 faces of say Pakistani punjabis where no visible cultural features like head-scarf, turbans, beards etc are present. Then randomly create a collage of say 20 Pakistani and 10 Indians. You can repeat the expriment with a fresh set of 20 Pakistani and 10 Indians to further remove bias. We can take best of say 3 attempts.


If by we you mean Pakistani - Canadians, I can certainly understand. But as you can see in Pew polls, historically US had a very positive image in Canada.

By we I mean canadians, nice try at a provocations that was almost cute.

 

[Placemat]

Bhartis and even some Pakistanis believe that Indian Subcontinent means land area from Afghanistan to Myanmar.

It's from Arabia to japan

Pakistan is clearly Eurasian/Arab more-so than Indian.

Too much nonsense . Happy ny

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

you will see I said that in private they call themselves Pakistani but publically, they use all sorts of words : "Desi", "Indian", "Punjabi" and so on...

Yes they use words such as Desi and Punjabi, but never call themselves Indians...

 

[Rusty]

Pakistan is neither middle Eastern, South Asian, or Central Asian. We are just Pakistani

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ot-Freshies-quot-For-UK-US-Canadian-etc-Desis

Poster is a Pakistani British.




2. Book titled : Desi Liberal, Written by Pakistani Author Waqas Anees describing liberals in Pakistan.

3. https://diaryofadesidebugger.pk/

Dairy of a Desi Debugger. Written by a Pakistani student.

4. https://dikhawa.pk/blogs/parhlo/8-unbelievable-things-you-can-only-expect-from-a-desi-guy

There are too many to list.

You know how I found all of these? Simple!
Google :

desi pakistani site:.pk
desi guy site:.pk
desi author site:.pk

and so on....

The word Desi has been used to describe Pakistani people a lot by Pakistani themselves. Specially in foreign countries.

Stop polluting this thread with your conspiracy theories.

In Pakistan, Des or Desi simply means country (I.e. Pakistan.)

Par des means outside of Pakistan.

Apna Des means our own Pakistan.

From what I gather, you Indians and BD refer to yourselves as Deshi, not Desi.

 

[Darwin]

But that is conjecture at most. I find extremely easy to tell the difference between a Pakistani Punjabi and an indian Punjabi. Even more easier to tell the diference butween a Pakistani and an indian.

Fully agree. I can easily differentiate a Indian or a Pakistani or even some South Americans. Though have to confess once I met a Brazilian who looked so Indian it was scary.
Pointers for others -
Pakistanis are -
Tall, fair, well built, straight noses, Greek like features mostly. And language is sweet.

Indians -
Short, brown or dark,not at all well built, flat noses.
Language is also coarser.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

This trend is also the case with Marathas, Kashmiris, Brahmins, Rajputs, etc. If they're Indian and they have a prestigious background, they tend to flex it (but this isn't just an Indian thing, all people do this).

Stop promoting this fantasy that we are Indians or ex-Hindus, you are as bad as the Hindu fanatics.

Every citizen of this nation of Pakistan is a Pakistani, full stop.

You ask a Pakistani Rajput if he is Indian, he would rather cut his own throat than say it.

We did not fight for hundreds of years to spread Islam and defeat the enemies of Muslims to be called ex-Hindu or Indian by you.