Most of Pakistan isn't a part of the Indian sub-continent

[Chhatrapati]

And the Bengladeshi's who claim they are in South East Asia. @Nilgiri

 

[BringHarmony]

But Punjabis make up less than 3% of india's population so that is irrelevant. 30-40% of Pakistan's population have a racial/dna connection to Iran and afghanistan. That doesn't make us Pakistanis indian just as it doesn't make us Iranian, afghan or Middle Eastern.

Relax, no one is accusing you of being an Indian --politically speaking that is.

Though most of the Punjabi here in Canada have formed a common "identity" irrespective of their country of origin. I once dealt with Punjabi speaking civil engineers and architects. They have a professional association called "Society of Punjabi Engineers and Technologist". I was surprised to find that they have representation from both India and Pakistan.

https://speatbc.org/

Heck their own motto is

"SPEATBC is a non-profit organization, which has successfully brought together Engineers and Technologists from different disciplines from both Canada and the Indian subcontinent."

Last I checked they were not asking for a blood sample in their membership form.

Even more interestingly, almost all of the Indians, Pakistani and Bangladeshi prefer to live together in Canada : Atleast what I have seen in BC. Irani crowd, however, prefer to live separate from the bunch.

 

[Chhatrapati]

@PakSarzameen5823 You started thread based on Geography. Not racial.

I was surprised to find that they have representation from both India and Pakistan.

Don't mind PDF and subcontinent. When they are abroad, things are quite different.

 

[Big Tank]

I could figure that. Their food, their living, their language and even their occupations have a certain pattern to them. Punjabi is certainly a strong and large ethnicity spanning across borders and even religions.

As I said, having same kind of Food, Language etc doesn't make them the same. You go the Indian Punjab, what you find is dark toned Punjabis (not being racist, I don't care about skin). While if you go to the Pakistani Punjab, you find mid toned/light toned Punjabis much as compared to dark toned. Not saying that we're all kinda Persians or etc. My ancestors migrated from Uzbekistan to Sindh when the Sufi Saints migrated and influenced other muslims to travel to Sindh. Now, I am a Sindhi, my father is and my grandfather's father. I don't know any heck about Uzbekistan. I am a Sindhi. Does this make me Indian? Just because India got few Sindhis?

 

[BringHarmony]

Don't mind PDF and subcontinent. When they are abroad, things are quite different.

Well, you folks remind me of Europe of 1800s and early 1900s. Warring and fighting among each other and having a common identity outside your region. Europeans did that at a time.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

While if you go to the Pakistani Punjab, you find mid toned/light toned Punjabis

Yeah like Shoaib Akhtar.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Utter nonsense

Now a Punjab hater Afghani refugee hiding in Pakistan (@PakSarzameen5823) is trying to tell us who we are ??

 

[BringHarmony]

As I said, having same kind of Food, Language etc doesn't make them the same. You go the Indian Punjab, what you find is dark toned Punjabis (not being racist, I don't care about skin). While if you go to the Pakistani Punjab, you find mid toned/light toned Punjabis much as compared to dark toned. Not saying that we're all kinda Persians or etc. My ancestors migrated from Uzbekistan to Sindh when the Sufi Saints migrated and influenced other muslims to travel to Sindh. Now, I am a Sindhi, my father is and my grandfather's father. I don't know any heck about Uzbekistan. I am a Sindhi. Does this make me Indian? Just because India got few Sindhis?

Okay, so there is a political identity. And there is an ethnic identity.

Punjabi is an ethnic identity: No wonder they stick together irrespective of their nation of origin, when outside their nation.
Pakistani is a political identity: No wonder in sports Pakistani wave their Pakistani flags for their national teams.

Both can co-exist. In the very same person and communities. To be honest, these identities are all hats. You wear different hats during different times of day and seasons and fashions.

My familial origin is from Scotland, like a number of Canadians. Canada is my national or political identity but I feel really at ease with Americans and Scottish too. You will be hard pressed to tell us apart. That is if we don't want you to tell us apart.

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

Aren't the "Punjabis" the biggest ethnicity in Pakistan? Almost all of the Pakistani --those who agree that they are Pakistani at least-- I have met here are Punjabi speaking and Punjabi looking folks. They look very similar to Indian here who call themselves "Desi". Most of the time they can understand each other's language too.

In Pakistan, you're considered Punjabi just by being born and raised in the Punjab. It includes Baloch, Pashtuns and Kashmiris who have settled in the Punjab (they make a significant chunk of Punjab's population, probably about 40%). Even among ethnic Punjabis, most of them are descended from foreigners who assimilated into the region during the Islamic invasions, e.g Arains, Awans, Qureshis, Ansaris, Mughals and Syeds.

@PakSarzameen5823 You started thread based on Geography. Not racial.

Another insecure Indian who desperately wants to propagate his Akhand Bharat nonsense by undermining the facts.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Relax, no one is accusing you of being an Indian --politically speaking that is.

Though most of the Punjabi here in Canada have formed a common "identity" irrespective of their country of origin. I once dealt with Punjabi speaking civil engineers and architects. They have a professional association called "Society of Punjabi Engineers and Technologist". I was surprised to find that they have representation from both India and Pakistan.

https://speatbc.org/

Heck their own motto is

"SPEATBC is a non-profit organization, which has successfully brought together Engineers and Technologists from different disciplines from both Canada and the Indian subcontinent."

Last I checked they were not asking for a blood sample in their membership form.

Even more interestingly, almost all of the Indians, Pakistani and Bangladeshi prefer to live together in Canada : Atleast what I have seen in BC. Irani crowd, however, prefer to live separate from the bunch.

That is still irrelevant considering that ONLY 3% of indians AT MOST have ANY dna, genetic or racial connections to Pakistanis. Also, I speak English and get along really well with English people, that doesn't however make me one of them. Getting along with someone or a group of some people doesn't mean you have any connections with them. Here in the UK, Pakistanis get along really well with Arabs and Brazialians/South Americans. We all speak English too. That doesn't make us the all the same.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Another insecure Indian who desperately wants to propagate his Akhand Bharat nonsense by undermining the facts.

LOL! Did I trigger you that much?

Did I say anything about Akhand Bharat anywhere? Chillax boi.

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

Did I say anything about Akhand Bharat anywhere?

We know your ulterior motives of trying to Indian-wash all of Pakistan, even non-Indics aren't spared from your propaganda.

 

[BringHarmony]

That is still irrelevant considering that ONLY 3% of indians AT MOST have ANY dna, genetic or racial connections to Pakistanis. Also, I speak English and get along really well with English people, that doesn't however make me one of them. Getting along with someone or a group of some people doesn't mean you have any connections with them. Here in the UK, Pakistanis get along really well with Arabs and Brazialians/South Americans. We all speak English too. That doesn't make us the all the same.

Dude relax!
One can be both Punjabi and Pakistani Or Punjabi and Indian. Also, one can be non-Punjabi and either ethnicity. A single ethnic group does not define the political identity of a nation and a single nationality need not necessarily bind an ethnicity. Those days are over if they were ever there in the first place.

Being Punjabi does not mean you stop being Pakistani or Indian or heck Canadian.

Oh! and ethnicity is way deeper than just the language. Heck dare I say, ethnicity is way deeper than even nationality?

I am ethnic Scottish but that does not disqualify me from being a Canadian, or vice-versa. And being an ethnic Scottish does not make me a British subject, necessarily. Isn't it? Neither the British nationality is limited to Scottish or Welsh.

 

[Chhatrapati]

We know your ulterior motives of trying to Indian-wash all of Pakistan, even non-Indics aren't spared from your propaganda.

Don't put words in my mouth. I would hate to be reintegrated with you lot. You're a poor country, we already have a fair share of problems.

Now, the term Indian Subcontinent is a geographic term not the people, Afghan was added to it considering it's sad state of affairs. Try not to be salty about it.

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

Now, the term Indian Subcontinent is a geographic term not the people

I never said otherwise.