More than 85% INDIANS back BJP over Aamir Khan : Times of India

[Dubious]

A sample size of 22,000 for a population of 1.25 billion with a E(P) of 0.85 gives a 95% confidence interval of about 0.845 to 0.855 with a standard error of about 0.0024.

Mr. Finance....unless you are selling your population this kind of stats dont carry much weight in the demographics dept!

so let me rephrase what you said ,you don't believe 22k people don't represent India right ?

Oh they do....0.09% of indians unless you guys are clones and hence a less than 1% can represent the whole 1.25 billion....

2ndly....that is 85% of less than 0.1% of indians

 

[ranjeet]

The thing about majority of Indians is even though they condemn aamirs remarks in strongest of terms they are still tolerant enough to go and watch his movies.He may be abhorred for his stupid statements but isn't considered a traitor yet.

he is not a traitor thats too harsh a statement, but he must be made to pay for stupidity.

 

[Dubious]

So basically we can say that we are 95% confident

you can only apply 95% confidence if all 1.25 billion of you are clones but even than statistics will back slap you .....coz less than 0.1% doesnt represent anything but shows that too little sample was used and hence there is more error than necessary!

Check a standard sample size calculator if you dont believe me.

You will have to come at this from another angle other than questioning 22,000 as the sample size. There are a few ways, but you will have to understand some statistics first.

either you need to demand your money back or you failed in statistics miserably!

tolerant enough to go and watch his movies

that is not tolerance that is lack of self confidence or lack of self control....You disagree and cant do a peaceful protest of boycotting entertainment

 

[scionoftheindus]

he is not a traitor thats too harsh a statement, but he must be made to pay for stupidity.

That is what I am saying..people don't consider him a traitor.. so they will go and watch his movies once this entire hullabaloo dies down..he already made to pay the price..I am sure he must have lost some peace of mind in the last couple of days.

 

[koolio]

If this survey is widely to be believed than its extremely alarming for India, It clearly shows India is going backwards rather than moving forwards, Intolerance is definitely on the rise and that is not a good sign in the long term.

 

[Nilgiri]

you can only apply 95% confidence if all 1.25 billion of you are clones but even than statistics will back slap you .....coz less than 0.1% doesnt represent anything but shows that too little sample was used and hence there is more error than necessary!

So tell me what sample size is appropriate then? And show me the calculation for it. The only factor at play here is the potential bias of the sample at hand....not its size. That ought to be your line of argument rather than 0.1% being too small a sample ratio.

either you need to demand your money back or you failed in statistics miserably!

I did stochastic control mechanisms w.r.t particulate dispersion for my PhD. A sample size calculation is like 1 + 1 realtively speaking. I hope you can find an online resource and know how to use it before making vague assertions like you have just done.

 

[Musafir117]

Thread tithe should be 85% Hindus back BJP over Amir
So it's easy to calculate remain 15% are minorties.

 

[Dubious]

So tell me what sample size is appropriate then?

Def more than 1%

And show me the calculation for it.

What to make %? just take 22000/ 1.25 billion

only factor at play here is the potential bias of the sample at hand....not its size.

Are you sure? SO the chance of me getting my hand on the people who took part in the survey ....Say indians were miniature humans and I was randomly picking from 1.25 billion....what is the chance I would select 1 of the people surveyed?


And then you also need to take 85% of that who backed BJP

That ought to be your line of argument rather than 0.1% being too small a sample ratio.

I already asked where, how, who ...again no one answered

stochastic control

deals with the existence of uncertainty either in observations or in the noise that drives the evolution of the system
Then why failed to apply it? Was the knowledge just to be put on paper and not practical?

A sample size calculation is like 1 + 1 realtively speaking.

so you say that less than 0.01% is an ACCURATE sample of 1.25 billion?

So RSS or anything extremist in india can be extrapolated to all of indians? awesome!

Thread tithe should be 85% Hindus back BJP over Amir
So it's easy to calculate remain 15% are minorties.

correction 85% of 0.01% of indians not sure what type of people that is...But the news wanted indians to feel alot of people so they put it in % and not 85% of 22k people

So tell me what sample size is appropriate then?

do tell me in which experiment on this planet do you take a samples size of less than 1% and say it is a CLEAR REPRESENTATIVE of the whole 100% ?

 

[rockstar08]

That's why i say , India is heading in Right direction ...

we want extension for Modi Sarkar

 

[Bombermanx1]

Massive Egg on face of Amir Khan,Congresis,AAPtards and the Intolerance brigade.

 

[Nilgiri]

Def more than 1%

OK, so you have no idea how statistics work. quoting arbitrary percentages like this with no calculation to back it up.

What to make %? just take 22000/ 1.25 billion

See the above.

Are you sure? SO the chance of me getting my hand on the people who took part in the survey ....Say indians were miniature humans and I was randomly picking from 1.25 billion....what is the chance I would select 1 of the people surveyed?

Obviously you have never looked at how confidence intervals change from say picking 10 from 10,000 to say 1000 from 1,000,000.

According to you the sample ratios are the same therefore the confidence intervals are the same right?

And you claim I failed statistics. Try read up on normal distribution and the effect of bell curve density on the fundamental theory of statistical modelling.

deals with the existence of uncertainty either in observations or in the noise that drives the evolution of the system
Then why failed to apply it? Was the knowledge just to be put on paper and not practical?

Oh it was very practical. Lets just say whenever you fly in an aircraft with a newer generation of PW engine in it....it will most likely use some of the results we derived both from numerical simulation and physical validation....specifically regarding better CFD modelling for the fuel combustion.

Simply taking the layman wiki definition of stochastic with cheap remarks is not going to cut it I'm afraid.

so you say that less than 0.01% is an ACCURATE sample of 1.25 billion?

With perfect random selection yes. In fact it can be much lower given the already large size of the sample (22,000). The overall population size is not such a massive factor after a certain size in the sample is reached. If you have handled the most basic of normal distribution data series, you would know this.

Thats why I am saying you can only come across this from a bias angle of the sample itself, not its size.

So RSS or anything extremist in india can be extrapolated to all of indians? awesome!

That would be a clear case of totally non-random sampling and a very high input bias. So short answer is no.

do tell me in which experiment on this planet do you take a samples size of less than 1% and say it is a CLEAR REPRESENTATIVE of the whole 100% ?

Again it is quite apparent you have never picked up a book on normal distribution or run some numbers beyond what you read in the Z-tables.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

consumption of beef is def a sign of intolerance!

Not in India. You got a country for a reason.

Possible the stupidest post I have seen so far here.

 

[New World]

It means that I am standing with you in any condition and see you as my brother (religion is the least of my concern) but I can't support your wife views and the statement you gave in front of media.

she is the mother and she said what she feels.. is it anything wrong in it??

 

[thesameguy]

85% is the Hindu population of India. So under BJP Hindus are united against Minorities

 

[deckingraj]

so you say that less than 0.01% is an ACCURATE sample of 1.25 billion?

A quick question...do you know sample size of post poll surveys?? With that analogy all the post poll surveys will be a shame....as far random selection is concerned then one can easily say that this is more of an urban sample....and thus even bigger slap on all those who are making noises about rising intolerance in country....

Last but not the least...there is not a single sample at anyone's disposal which actually says intolerance is rising in India....given you are showing intention to respect stats...which one would you wanna pick??

85% is the Hindu population of India. So under BJP Hindus are united against Minorities

You wish that since the birth of your country however always get disappointed...Check your history...even the so called brethren have not sided with you....India belongs to Indians...no matter how much propaganda(internal/external) is thrown at us...