More Israeli fear-mongering....

[PeaceGen]

Israel is the stolen land like Europeans did with Australia and Northern America.

Hey, if you want to go *that* far back in history (might be a good idea to consider only the history since EU powers made straight-lined borders in the middle east, which was well before the creation of Israel), you really have to be complete;
- list *every* military conquest by the Europeans and their US descendants, and feel free to point our mistakes like slavery and the near erradication of native american and native australian cultures, but also those aspects of all that conquering that can be considered benefitial to human culture (such as the erradication of cannibalism)
- list *every* conquest by muslim nations (since the same start date, whatever u choose for that), and be honest again about both attrocities and positive influences those forces had on the conquered.
- list what the current generations on 'both sides' have done to restore damage done by their ancestors by cultures they conquered, or if they currently do the opposite, admit mistakes by the current generation of leaders on each side (far more interesting than those ancient conquests if u ask me, due to the evolution of human culture (busses and airplanes prime examples) and our now vastly increased population counts)

Karmatic accountancy is not as simple as just listing your opponents' culture biggest failures, and pretending your own culture didn't make aaaany at all.

That said, ain't it a bit STUPID to focus on history (unless you wanna bring the evil in the human genome into view), when it's ONLY THE FUTURE THAT MATTERS TO YOUR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN AND SO ON?
Yes, we must learn from the past, but to point out mistakes by leaders now long dead (especially in the limited and very one-sided way you just did), will only serve to increase anger in too many people (not me tho) in the cultures that are now in an intensified state of war with eachother. Have I ever, ever, criticized muslim conquests in the past (let alone use that as idealogical ammunition), your good Prophet Mohammed included? I mean, he did do some evangelizing by the sword, didn't he? Isn't that the man you get the idea from it's OK to impose *your flavor of muslim social rules* onto even other flavors of Islam, by using violence? I'm willing to stop mentioning this, and on my soul's destiny (hell/heaven), i swear this is the very first time I bring this up (Mohammed's evangalizing by the sword and the influence it had on muslim culture) in any conversation since I started my world(-politics)-improvement work on 2001/9/11.

 

[PeaceGen]

The Iron dome was developed at record pace indeed, still there are limitations to technology.
In any case, any active defense system can never be a full solution as people still have to wake up from alarms in the middle of the night, worry where are their loved ones, go down into shelters etc. But it is something.

Given how muslims use every victim Israelis make on their side as a quite effecitve recruiting tool for their next generation of warriors, I'd say you will find much reward in focussing more on defense tech than retaliation and settlement expansion strategies. Far more.

I often don't agree with you on various subjects, however I do respect you for being a honest person.

Likewise, although I do see you ignoring facts occasionally;

I have posted on the subject a few times in the past, Israel does not use weaponized white phosphors. White phosphorus was banned because when used as a weapons it burns right through the human body causing untold suffering. However the substance itself is not banned, since there is no reason for the ban.
Israel uses it for smoke screen, it comes at dozes that cannot harm humans and can barely fray the ages of a news paper...
Israel is not the only country using it for this purpose, most world countries do and did in the recent past. Odes are, your country is using it as well.
Don't believe me? material on the subject is abundant, search the internet at will

ehm, https://www.google.com/search?q=q=cast lead white phosphorus yields http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War#White_phosphorus (due to their organisation structure, I consider wikipedia one of the most reliable sources for facts about war), and even tho there's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War#White_phosphorus_shell_fired_into_Israel which says Palestinians started the use of white phosphorous as a weapon against humans, they hit no actual humans. Yet Israel found it reason to kill 50(?) people with the same stuff.
Military overpower (especially when you get to keep that, hinting at NATO help against Iran's nuclear weapons program) comes with responsibility. Fortunately, altho my account at israelmilitary.net got banned in notime when I complained about Israeli 'a-symetrical force' tactics against Palestinians, I complained elsewhere to Israeli leaders and mossad about this (I wasn't the only one to do this I think), and in 2012 I saw big improvements in Israeli tactics for 'the round of that year'.

 

[flamer84]

Israel is the stolen land like Europeans did with Australia and Northern America.

This is stupid,there is no such thing "stolen land".If we go by such logic many arab states of today are "stolen land" from the byzantines,Turkey is stolen land from the greeks (byzantines) and the examples can go on.

Pointing out just the westerners as evil conquerors is stupid and in direct violation of factual history,plus it shows how biased you are.Israel is here to stay,it has a legal right to exist ,the only thing that must happen is the Palestinian state because the palestinians also have a right to their own state.

 

[UKBengali]

This is stupid,there is no such thing "stolen land".If we go by such logic many arab states of today are "stolen land" from the byzantines,Turkey is stolen land from the greeks (byzantines) and the examples can go on.

Pointing out just the westerners as evil conquerors is stupid and in direct violation of factual history,plus it shows how biased you are.Israel is here to stay,it has a legal right to exist ,the only thing that must happen is the Palestinian state because the palestinians also have a right to their own state.

Just like the crusader state was "here to stay".

Any country that is not accepted by it's neighbours as legitimate always ceases to exist in the end.

It is as simple as that.

 

[flamer84]

Just like the crusader state was "here to stay".

Any country that is not accepted by it's neighbours as legitimate always ceases to exist in the end.

It is as simple as that.

It was recognised by international law and the international community.Your opinion as your stupid comparison with the crusades is worthless and to be ignored,which it is.Peace will be obtained when idiots like you will be silenced.

 

[UKBengali]

It was recognised by international law and the international community.Your opinion as your stupid comparison with the crusades is worthless and to be ignored,which it is.Peace will be obtained when idiots like you will be silenced.

lol -

We have a fortune-teller here who can see into the future!

 

[flamer84]

lol -

We have a fortune-teller here who can see into the future!

At least i'm not retarded to think that Israel will be erased from the map,based on what happenned to the crusader states some 800 years ago .

You still haven't answered the real point,what about muslim states established by conquest? Are they illegal ?

 

[UKBengali]

At least i'm not retarded to think that Israel will be erased from the map,based on what happenned to the crusader states some 800 years ago .

You still haven't answered the real point,what about muslim states established by conquest? Are they illegal ?

As long as a state is deemed legitimate by it's neighbours then it will not be wiped out when balance of power inevitably changes.

Anyway, I think that the Jews will eventually accept a bi-national Palestine in which both Muslims and Jews live together. The few that really don't like this idea will immigrate to countries such as the US, Canada and Australia.

I have no special interest in erasing Jews from Palestine, just the Jewish state which is a completely different thing.

 

[flamer84]

As long as a state is deemed legitimate by it's neighbours then it will not be wiped out when balance of power inevitably changes.

Anyway, I think that the Jews will eventually accept a bi-national Palestine in which both Muslims and Jews live together. The few that really don't like this idea will immigrate to countries such as the US, Canada and Australia.

I have no special interest in erasing Jews from Palestine, just the Jewish state which is a completely different thing.

Israel has nukes,enough said.Anyway the international community allready decided that Israel is legitimate what the neighbours consider doesn't matter.
There will be no bi national anything,the jews have a jewish state and it will remain so,it's illogical to share something they've build alone with others,plus we all know what happenned to flourishing Lebanon,sharing power will destroy Israel,it can't work.
There has to be a palestinian state to(in my opinion) but only if the palestians cease hostilities and the arab neighbours recognise Israel and ofcourse the israelis should immediately stop illegal settlements that shrink every day the palestinian territories,they should even give some land back.

 

[UKBengali]

Israel has nukes,enough said.Anyway the international community allready decided that Israel is legitimate what the neighbours consider doesn't matter.
There will be no bi national anything,the jews have a jewish state and it will remain so,it's illogical to share something they've build alone with others,plus we all know what happenned to flourishing Lebanon,sharing power will destroy Israel,it can't work.
There has to be a palestinian state to(in my opinion) but only if the palestians cease hostilities and the arab neighbours recognise Israel and ofcourse the israelis should immediately stop illegal settlements that shrink every day the palestinian territories,they should even give some land back.

"International Community"?

It was created by the West and its prime supporters are the US and other Western countries.

Non-Western countries either do not care or would like it's existence terminated.

 

[Falcon29]

What God given right? I have never in my life referred to anything of the like. I do not believe in any so called god given right, do I need to be more clear?
please don't respond to me while intoxicated, your comments are even less intelligible then normally.

As for Arabs being more Semites then current day Jews, that's simply 100% irreverent. An Arab who lived his whole life in KSA or Egypt, who's entire family for all of time and countless generations always lived in KSA or Egypt and who's ancestral line never set foot in Israel does not automatically have some claim over Israel because he is a Semite.

The Arabs, most of which immigrated in the recent centuries from Egypt and Syria to Palestine have no more claim over Jews who immigrated into Israel at relatively the same time frame from Europe who are culturally and historically bound to this land.

It is relevant, an Palestinian Arab is mixed and largely Semetic. Palestinians aren't any Arabs such as the gulf arabs you like to keep claiming they are.

http://www.stml.net/text/Populations.pdf

They come from ancient Caanites.

 

[Falcon29]

Nothing unique in history. re read my comment, I was talking in context about the historical occupation by Arabs of these lands. Do you deny that the Arab conquered and occupied the lands of Israel at the time I was referring to?
The Rabbi was just one of the examples of the Jewish community that existed throughout the ages in Gaza, nice try to ignore the rest of the info in the comment though.

Again, Jews have very little in common with Gaza and it wasn't historically considered part of Israel. History tells us Jews are insignificant to this land.

And read the link, instead of ranting about your 'Arab' 'occupation'.

 

[Falcon29]

No arab anti-israel propaganda? Not according to https://www.google.com/search?q=arab anti-israel anti-zionism anti-semitic -zionism -"anti-arab" -resolution "mass media"
And you'll find people like you on social media (a forum counts as social media imo), who refuse to even consider alternatives to violent resistance, and refuse even to consider any news sources that say anything that is not exactly what you want to believe.

Then, about anti-muslim/arab propaganda in nato/israeli media, yes, that exists, but unlike the arabs when they bash israel on their media, our media gives the palestinian side their say as well. Ok, fox news excluded perhaps, but they don't determine us foreign policy (not even with a republican president and majority in congress), that's more like a comfort channel for white racists.

Once again, quit trying to shove your false narrative down people's throats. Palestinians aren't making attempts to regain their land back through force.

Social media stands with the Palestinians on all issues and things have been going the way social media wants it. You're trying to dumb down the Palestinian cause and vilify it.

 

[Falcon29]

It's not exactly true. The bible is not very accurate as a history source. The Jewish tribes developed in and about the area of Canaan, what is true though is that they did conquer non Jewish tribes. Some like Edomites were assimilated. Some were occupied and disappeared as distinguished people, some others migrated to better lands through the course of history.

I'm not basing it off the Bible don't worry.

 

[Battle of Kursk]

Given how muslims use every victim Israelis make on their side as a quite effecitve recruiting tool for their next generation of warriors, I'd say you will find much reward in focussing more on defense tech than retaliation and settlement expansion strategies. Far more.



Likewise, although I do see you ignoring facts occasionally;



ehm, https://www.google.com/search?q=q=cast lead white phosphorus yields http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War#White_phosphorus (due to their organisation structure, I consider wikipedia one of the most reliable sources for facts about war), and even tho there's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War#White_phosphorus_shell_fired_into_Israel which says Palestinians started the use of white phosphorous as a weapon against humans, they hit no actual humans. Yet Israel found it reason to kill 50(?) people with the same stuff.
Military overpower (especially when you get to keep that, hinting at NATO help against Iran's nuclear weapons program) comes with responsibility. Fortunately, altho my account at israelmilitary.net got banned in notime when I complained about Israeli 'a-symetrical force' tactics against Palestinians, I complained elsewhere to Israeli leaders and mossad about this (I wasn't the only one to do this I think), and in 2012 I saw big improvements in Israeli tactics for 'the round of that year'.

When I am ignoring facts please kindly point them out. We might be in disagreement over the facts and I am sure that a civilized argument can settle most of such question.
Wikipedia is a kind of a internet democracy with some more power for a few. Deciding truthfulness of historical events based on democracy is never going to work. The Muslims are over a billion to our few millions, if you think that will not cause bias then you are unaware of human nature.
Wikipedia is great on undisputed subjects, the more the subject is disputed the more heavily it's unreliable.
Even on the subject at hand, though the report was fine overall how come hearsay with no backing is in the top and an expert review is pushed to the bottom?

The article states "As a result of the hit, the compound was set ablaze" but there is no proof for this to be found anywhere, actually photos of the facility show this to be wrong.
As I said, do your own research and do not rely on biased reports by involved individuals.

from the article, should have been at the top:

Professor Newton, expert in laws of armed conflict testifying in front of the committee, said that in an urban area, where potential perils are snipers, explosive devices and trip wires, one effective way to mask forces' movement is by white phosphorus. In certain cases, he added, such choice of means would be less harmful for civilian population than other munitions, provided that the use of white phosphorus withstands the proportionality test. In discussing the principle of proportionality he said that the legality of using white phosphorus in an urban setting could only be decided on a case by case basis taking into account "the precise circumstances of its use, not in general, generically, but based on that target, at that time". He stressed that the humanitarian implications were vital in this assessment giving the example that using white phosphorus on a school yard would have different implications to its use on another area. He also said that in his view white phosphorus munition is neither chemical nor incendiary weapon and is not intended to cause damage. He said its use was not prohibited by the Chemical Weapons Convention.

As I said, there is weaponized white phosphorous which is illegal and unethical.
And there is smoke screen munition, which is almost completely harmless.
The Palestinians and their so called human rights groups use the similarity to deceive and lie to you.

Pictures:

look at the man in the middle of it all, now check this out a few secs later:

does that look like he has holes the size of tennis balls burned through his skin? as weaponized white phosphorous does?