Minhas Air Base

[PaKKHaN55]

Pakistan UAVs
MUCH BETTER THAN INDIANS and PRODUCING MORE

 

[Donatello]

That is precisely the reason. Qatar may want to keep its M2k fleet for longer and consider upgrades. However, India seems the most likely buyer. The 12 odd Qatar Mirages + the 36 or so that the UAEAF may have available sooner would boost its fleet to 80+ and allow it to raise two or three new squadrons of the type.

So how would Pakistan be able to keep India out of this, since speculation out in the open?

Also, why would Qatar want used aircraft, and not purchase new ones like Typhoon/Rafale/Gripen and are spending money on buying Patriot systems and AH64s?

 

[Luftwaffe]

Whenever the deal goes through(which wont be anytime soon IMO) The UAEAF M2k-9s would be in the exact state the ROSE Mirages were before purchase except with a little more stress on them. These birds were used extensively in training scenarios and have the wear on their wings(take an example of how wear and tear across the USAF F-16 fleet varies). But most importantly, the timeline for the deal depends a lot on the replacement for the UAEAF for the standoff attack capability. The Block-61 F-16s are not to be delivered until three years. Till then if the UAEAF has a smart leader, they will not let go of the capability that the Black Shaheen + M2K-9 provides.

Although in all honesty I see much more potential for these aircraft to end up with Qatar or India.

I heard for some of the ROSE Mirages wings were bought from South Africa and mated because there was too much stress on original ones.

Australian Mirages were not stressed out? I thought they were produced from 67-79 and given upgrades in 80's.

 

[Reichmarshal]

We are over looking a very important point in relation to the mirage 2000 saga ie PAF pilots on deputation to the uaeaf have flying the ac in question since the time of their induction into uaeaf. Along with the pilots our af technicians n engineers ( on deputation) have been doing the ground handling, looking after the ac from a technical standpoint etc. plus lots of ex PAF personal work in uaeaf n the rest of the Arab nations
So basically PAF knows the ins n outs of these ac.
The same goes for the Qatari ac.

 

[SQ8]

I heard for some of the ROSE Mirages wings were bought from South Africa and mated because there was too much stress on original ones.

Australian Mirages were not stressed out? I thought they were produced from 67-79 and given upgrades in 80's.

They were quite stressed out. Similar results can be expected from these examples.

So basically PAF knows the ins n outs of these ac..

So does the IAF.

 

[nangyale]

[quote Oscar, post: 5932996, member: 14956"]Whenever the deal goes through(which wont be anytime soon IMO) The UAEAF M2k-9s would be in the exact state the ROSE Mirages were before purchase except with a little more stress on them. These birds were used extensively in training scenarios and have the wear on their wings(take an example of how wear and tear across the USAF F-16 fleet varies). But most importantly, the timeline for the deal depends a lot on the replacement for the UAEAF for the standoff attack capability. The Block-61 F-16s are not to be delivered until three years. Till then if the UAEAF has a smart leader, they will not let go of the capability that the Black Shaheen + M2K-9 provides.

Although in all honesty I see much more potential for these aircraft to end up with Qatar or India.[/quote]
The relationship between Qatar and UAE is somewhat frosty these days, they have been supporting the opposite parties in Egypt, it got to the point that some Qatari nationals were arrested in UAE a few days ago.
To finalise a deal for the M2K in such an environment well be nearly impossible. That leaves only India or Pakistan

 

[Reichmarshal]

So does the IAF.

IAF knows the mirage 2000.....yes
I am referring to the UAE mirages which are/have been operated by PAF personal for decades on behalf of the UAE in UAE........I hope that clears it

 

[elitepilot09]

IAF knows the mirage 2000.....yes
I am referring to the UAE mirages which are/have been operated by PAF personal for decades on behalf of the UAE in UAE........I hope that clears it

Whoa. Are you the same ReichMarshal that use to be on defencetalk long ago?

 

[SQ8]

IAF knows the mirage 2000.....yes
I am referring to the UAE mirages which are/have been operated by PAF personal for decades on behalf of the UAE in UAE........I hope that clears it

That may be true, that the PAF knows the ins and outs of these birds. But the chances of these birds ending up with the IAF seem higher than with the PAF. Considering the monetary situation here, and the preference of the Arabs for hard cash rather than "brotherhood" or "favours".

 

[Reichmarshal]

Whoa. Are you the same ReichMarshal that use to be on defencetalk long ago?

Yes friend

 

[Reichmarshal]

That may be true, that the PAF knows the ins and outs of these birds. But the chances of these birds ending up with the IAF seem higher than with the PAF. Considering the monetary situation here, and the preference of the Arabs for hard cash rather than "brotherhood" or "favours".

Actually I would say this sale (ie if PAF wants them for real as I think this more of a psy opps than any thing else) is a done deal!!
I say the above keeping in view the regional strategic/ geo political situation. As the whole the Middle East specially" the khaleegi Arabs" are in termoil n scared.
They all have been making beeline for the GHQ, for PA troops to be stationed in their countries or for retired personal of our armed forces to be inducted into theirs. Specially after what they saw in Bahrain n how the PAK armed forces personal n police stemmed the tied n restored "peace". On top of that PAK armed forces specially the PA has been training their personal in PAK n in their own countries around the clock on emergency basis. I will not be surprised if we see PA troops on the ground in the gulf any time soon
So in the present situation it is not possible that a PAK armed forces request is turned down
Baki ALLAH know best

 

[rockstar08]

That may be true, that the PAF knows the ins and outs of these birds. But the chances of these birds ending up with the IAF seem higher than with the PAF. Considering the monetary situation here, and the preference of the Arabs for hard cash rather than "brotherhood" or "favours".

i disagree with this sir ... Pakistan can offer them a good price , they are not in hurry for some millions $$.. they already more than that ... and dont forget the KSA factor ... i am not sure but maybe KSA might might ask UAE to sell them to Pak ...
just a thought

 

[Storm Force]

If these fighters become availalable. AND NO WAY WILL UAE give these up until all of their NEW F16s or RAFALES arrive ie 4 years to 6 years from today i suspect at $25 million each the indians will bite the hand off of the UAE.

iNSTANTLY the IAF would have nearly 90 mirage2000-5/9 . A FLEET equal in size and capability to PAFS future F16 fleet.

 

[elitepilot09]

Yes friend

I remember reading your posts and appreciating your point of view. The fact that this was 7-8 years ago should help you in understanding how much exactly I used to look forward to reading your posts. It's nice to see you here, hope you post more often!

If these fighters become availalable. AND NO WAY WILL UAE give these up until all of their NEW F16s or RAFALES arrive ie 4 years to 6 years from today i suspect at $25 million each the indians will bite the hand off of the UAE.

iNSTANTLY the IAF would have nearly 90 mirage2000-5/9 . A FLEET equal in size and capability to PAFS future F16 fleet.

The Indian government has been trying to urge the IAF to lessen the number of Rafales it will potentially buy because of the ridiculous lump sum of cash required to fund the deal. And you are proposing that the IAF purchase 30-60 more Mirages? Even at 25 million per? Let me just say that If you were running the country, the average man would have ousted you in a heartbeat.

 

[Awaragard]

Thank you, very nicely presented and we would love those Mirage-2000-9s.

Bro, Advanced sorry for the off topic question. yeh defence.pk ka fb page aap chala rahe ho?