Meerut tense after clashes over forced conversion of a lady teacher

[KalaGhoda]

Seperate news ! today's Hindu doesn't have it. Does the toilet paper carry it ? anybody check..

 

[jbond197]

Seperate news ! today's Hindu doesn't have it. Does the toilet paper carry it ? anybody check..

TOI downplayed it as a forced marriage incident

Report of forced marriage fuels tension in Meerut - The Times of India


I am sure on TV debates, this will also be balmed on RSS, Extremist Hindus, and off course Narendra Modi led BJP.

 

[KalaGhoda]

That statement of yours will turn off many in this thread, though they will never say anything against waqf board.

F*** them.

scratch a liberal enough,you'll find a conservative inside.

 

[Bang Galore]

I kind of hate that mentality to be honest.

Plus, I am not going to cut off my friends and family for a religion.

That's not how it works in rural areas. It is why so much of friction takes place (contrary to common "secular" belief, it is not just Hindu organisations going berserk). When a percentage of a village converts & are told by the church to cut off ties, they suddenly alienate themselves from the rest of the village by shutting themselves off from nearly all cultural practices (village festivals, celebrations etc) because they would be connected to Hinduism. Add to that the church showering benefits on the "converts" & you have a situation ripe for conflict. Conversions in rural areas are a completely different ball game than individuals doing so in the cities, it is why I have always held the opinion that church organisations that seek conversions should be strictly monitored in such areas because the blowback can be severe. Too many people see it simply as just religious business, it is far more complicated than that.

But then there are inter-religion marriages. I have a Tamil Christian friend married to a Telugu Hindu girl and they worship probably all gods known in India. My friend is a big time Shirdi Sai Baba bhakt as well.

Those are in a completely different plane. Not religion driven.

 

[jbond197]

F*** them.

scratch a liberal enough,you'll find a conservative inside.

Lol, you will be declared an extremist Hindu, a big danger to the society as soon as that happens..

 

[KalaGhoda]

these are not common crimes. these are well planned stuff aimed at a retaliation and subsequent dragging in of modi.

stakes are high man..in India stakes today are high.

Do not be fooled by what it appears to be..i mean that with respect and I mean everybody should be alert..

 

[Indrani]

That is not as unusual as you make it out to be. Adi Shankara (secular keralite?) himself thought that temples etc were of little spiritual use to the "enlightened" but were harmless if common folks went there because as he put it " there is no point burdening a man's mind with more knowledge than it can handle".

Oh but it is. Temples may be of little spiritual use to the enlightened, but how many of the seculars are enlightened? Knowing about enlightenment is different than being enlightened. Also what are the temples and gods and goddess and the varied traditions we see in practice of Hinduism if not the joyful celebration of life in its multihued dimensions, the very purpose for existence of creation. The very core of advaita.

The common man in his ecstatic embrace of his temples and his gods is more near to experiencing god than the secular academically pontificating on the uselessness of temples and rituals.

The seculars cannot be compared to Adi Shankara.

 

[Bang Galore]

O
The seculars cannot be compared to Adi Shankara.

Never said they can (he's not the only one btw) but that it is not out of whack with "Hindu" thought. Your way for you, others can pick a different path. Advaita itself was modified(Vishishtadvaita), there are no last words on that subject or any other. Essence of Hinduism.

 

[amitkriit]

these are not common crimes. these are well planned stuff aimed at a retaliation and subsequent dragging in of modi.

stakes are high man..in India stakes today are high.

Do not be fooled by what it appears to be..i mean that with respect and I mean everybody should be alert..

Don't forget the plight of Kashmiri Pundits. There too it started with abduction, rape and conversion of Hindu women.

 

[KalaGhoda]

Yeah, some of the charities are dodgy. I have heard of missionaries making use of poverty to convert Africans. Then you have evangelicals travelling to Uganda to make the population more prejudiced to LGBT community.

happens alll the time..those africans, first they sell them guns, then teach them what to chant while burying them.

Mr. White, he's something else.

 

[Jaggu]

It is not what I mean by essence of Hinduism but what the secular Bengalis and others modern Hindus mean by essence of Hinduism. It is Hinduism pared down of all its artifacts, all its sacred living traditions, its gods, goddesses, divinities, literature, history, its architecture, its temples, its entire ecosystem. For the secular Hindu, all this is superstition, village folk lore, something practiced by the ignoramuses, plebeian Hindus, the unenlightened ones. It is only they, the seculars, who have grasped the spirit and the real essence of Hinduism.

There is the same contempt of idol worshipers, the same disdain of temples, the same derision of holy men, the same...you get the idea.

By secularist Hindus, do you mean Deepak Chopra type of Hindus?

 

[Makaramarma]

Don't forget the plight of Kashmiri Pundits. There too it started with abduction, rape and conversion of Hindu women.

It all started when an Himalayan mountain range was painted Red by the blood of Hindu slaves. So much so that the rage came to called as Hindu Kush i.e. "Killer of Hindus".

Of course the secular's want to spin it as Happy Hindus.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

What kind of bullcrap made up news is this.... How can anyone force someone to change their religion in captivity..... Moment they are out they will change..... How could anyone rape someone into changing their religion???? What possible respect would one have for such a religion.....
Hindutva goons failure in logic once again..... If you people must make up things to malign Muslims at least make them believable..... The problem is you lot are retarded enough to believe this shite leading to killing of Muslims as has already been suggested.....

Once a Hindu is converted to Islam, she is usually rejected by her own community. I won't but most will. Not much different from how a rape victim in your place is blamed for the rape. Not too difficult to understand.

She is lucky and attitudes here are changing. She has been accepted back into her family and parent faith (which is a remarkable thing in backward UP). Preparations are being made for an adequare response. I personally have no responsibility for UP, but this will not be left for the SP law or justice to sort out - this much I can assure the folks here.

 

[Indrani]

Never said they can (he's not the only one btw) but that it is not out of whack with "Hindu" thought. Your way for you, others can pick a different path.

It is out of whack with the Hindu thought because it holds diversity in contempt which Shankara never meant at all. There was no undermining of the phenomenal world or the multiplicity of Gods in the scriptures by Shankara. But not so with the seculars. These people are not just happy believing what they believe, but also propagating their disdain. You can see it in so many many ways. Shankara actually went about establishing mathas. The secular crowd if given a chance would tear down each of these mathas.

The Hindu seculars of India are Islamic in the true sense of Islam.

 

[amitkriit]

Those who are complaining about the non-coverage are discounting the role of small, local media channels. Some of them have higher viewership than the National English media channels.