Maulana Azad's predictions about the sub-continent

[Leader]

I mean sometimes we think that maybe just maybe Azad was right but after looking at the hatred that Indians hold for Pakistanis and to be more precise Islam I cant express how much i thank Jinnah that he got us this homeland.

I never thought, not for once.... our own home, my home can never be compared to a shared house with people who hate you or want to subdue you to lower status...

NEVER !!

 

[Jackdaws]

I asked you in the first post, not to bring up this letter, but ironically you did it.

it by no means prove anything about the claim of his desire to live as a retired man in bombay. he might have wanted to visit his home in bombay, not a big deal.... but what LIE is being fixed upon is surely a flat LIE, which has no historic proof of it. yes he wanted peaceful relations with everybody...America-Canada relations he exemplified.... kindly dont extract your own meaning out of a memoir of some another person, about what Jinnah was thinking...

besides this is not at all the way Jinnah would speak about a man who according to your authors, had a egoist fight with Jinnah which divided the subcontinent aka your maha bharat. and above all, its not J's style of speech..

he had property all over the subcontinent and in London as well... he was a good investor...

Yes, Jinnah didnot wanted a communal base division thats why AIML regretted on division of Punjab and Bengal. as for Gandhi he wanted nothing but Hindu Raj in india, same as any other hindu leader of subcontinent...

Ho-ho - that is a just ridiculous. Simply because you said - don't bring up xyz - that doesn't mean it doesn't matter in the historical context.

And now you even know how Jinnah would speak? You were perhaps comrades-in-arms and on backslapping terms? Gandhi wanted a Hindu Raj? Is that what they teach in history books in Pakistan? Perhaps that would explain why he was Naokhali in Bengal trying to stop riots when Nehru and Jinnah were hoisting flags and celebrating independence.

 

[Leader]

Ho-ho - that is a just ridiculous. Simply because you said - don't bring up xyz - that doesn't mean it doesn't matter in the historical context.

And now you even know how Jinnah would speak? You were perhaps comrades-in-arms and on backslapping terms? Gandhi wanted a Hindu Raj? Is that what they teach in history books in Pakistan? Perhaps that would explain why he was Naokhali in Bengal trying to stop riots when Nehru and Jinnah were hoisting flags and celebrating independence.

that was just for the sake of argument or any Historic evidence that I may not know, this letter has been tried test and failed to supplement the LIE that Jinnah wanted to live his retire life in Bombay.... so thats why I asked you not to bring it, it wont help the LIE...

I presented the view with logic consisting of variables such as characteristics of the man Jinnah, and other variables such as how your authors have described things between Jinnah and Nehru and a general understanding regarding the matter...

these are words unknown to Jinnah... in his own words "Im a constitutional person, guided by cold blooded reason and logic, and judicial training..."
he was the same Jinnah who once in a public press conference dropped his glasses (whatever its name) and it fell near Nehru's feet and everyone thought now Jinnah would bend to pick it up from his feet....Jinnah smiled and produced another from his pocket... to expect such words as described by the memoirs of your ambassador, only fools would believe it to be true...

Gandhi surely is the person, who used religion in indian politics... Gandhi wanted to establish Hindu Raj in all over the lands of subcontinent not just a modern day india...that is why he wanted to have a long march, but sadly he was killed on the very betrayal as considered by the extremist hindu.

 

[Leader]

Ho-ho - that is a just ridiculous. Simply because you said - don't bring up xyz - that doesn't mean it doesn't matter in the historical context.

And now you even know how Jinnah would speak? You were perhaps comrades-in-arms and on backslapping terms? Gandhi wanted a Hindu Raj? Is that what they teach in history books in Pakistan? Perhaps that would explain why he was Naokhali in Bengal trying to stop riots when Nehru and Jinnah were hoisting flags and celebrating independence.

that was just for the sake of argument or any Historic evidence that I may not know, this letter has been tried test and failed to supplement the LIE that Jinnah wanted to live his retire life in Bombay.... so thats why I asked you not to bring it, it wont help the LIE...

I presented the view with logic consisting of variables such as characteristics of the man Jinnah, and other variables such as how your authors have described things between Jinnah and Nehru and a general understanding regarding the matter...

these are words unknown to Jinnah... in his own words "Im a constitutional person, guided by cold blooded reason and logic, and judicial training..."
he was the same Jinnah who once in a public press conference dropped his glasses (whatever its name) and it fell near Nehru's feet and everyone thought now Jinnah would bend to pick it up from his feet....Jinnah smiled and produced another from his pocket... to expect such words as described by the memoirs of your ambassador, only fools would believe it to be true...

The fact is leopard cannot change its spots.

Gandhi surely is the person, who used religion in indian politics... Gandhi wanted to establish Hindu Raj in all over the lands of subcontinent not just a modern day india...that is why he wanted to have a long march, but sadly he was killed on the very betrayal as considered by the extremist hindu.

if you have anything in defence of your LIE, do bring it, I am not a person who believes in being stubborn towards History...but too stretched interpretations just for the sake to lie, is not what should be done....

Jinnah wanted good relations with India, like USA-Canada.... no denial to it. it was part of the Foreign policy he wanted Pakistan to pursue.

 

[RazPaK]

Indian Muslims are slaves. I want nothing to do with them.

 

[Omar1984]

Indian Muslims are slaves. I want nothing to do with them.

It was a blessing in disguise for Pakistan that most of them stayed back in Hindustan.

If they all came to Pakistan, Altaf Hussain would be Pakistan's leader and all our cities and towns would be over-crowded and over-polluted like indian cities and towns.

Stay away from us Indian Muslims

 

[notsuperstitious]

Indian Muslims are slaves. I want nothing to do with them.

I understand.

You can forgive someone for being wrong, but you can NEVER forgive them for being right

 

[RazPaK]

I understand.

You can forgive someone for being wrong, but you can NEVER forgive them for being right

LOL, how were they right? They let Indian establishment take down their holy sites, then lay down and let everyone in India, give it to them from behind. After receiving the abuse they proclaim how India is great and Pakistan is not.

 

[notsuperstitious]

LOL, how were they right? They let Indian establishment take down their holy sites, then lay down and let everyone in India, give it to them from behind. After receiving the abuse they proclaim how India is great and Pakistan is not.

The world and world's angels - drones -give you from all sides - you are not even sovereign, you end up servicing one superpower or the other although none of them help you when you are split in two, your holy sites get bombed every freaking week. Indian muslims are better off than you. Hence right.

 

[bandit]

Aha, let's see....

LOL, how were they right? They let Indian establishment take down their holy sites

Lal Masjid

Mosque 1
Mosque 2

and the story goes on for 100+ mosques,
In India, Babri masjid 20 years ago.

, then lay down and let everyone in India, give it to them from behind.

Lay down to everybody in the world and are still enjoying taking it from everywhere. Get a daily dose of missile strikes plus occasional booster dose of Black hawks or Afghans having some fun at the borders.

Never mind the talibans blowing ***** sky high twice a day, fellow muslims killing each other is totally fine.

After receiving the abuse they proclaim how India is great and Pakistan is not.

After all this, they don't proclaim Pakistan is great....at least they got this right, they proclaim China is great.....

 

[RazPaK]

Aha, let's see....



Lal Masjid

Mosque 1
Mosque 2


and the story goes on for 100+ mosques,
In India, Babri masjid 20 years ago.



Lay down to everybody in the world and are still enjoying taking it from everywhere. Get a daily dose of missile strikes plus occasional booster dose of Black hawks or Afghans having some fun at the borders.

Never mind the talibans blowing ***** sky high twice a day, fellow muslims killing each other is totally fine.



After all this, they don't proclaim Pakistan is great....at least they got this right, they proclaim China is great.....

None of the links you've provided accuses the government of demolishing religous sites,let alone mosques, while on the other hand...ahem, ahem.

 

[bandit]

None of the links you've provided accuses the government of demolishing religous sites,let alone mosques, while on the other hand...ahem, ahem.

As usual, you totally side-stepped the issues those you were arguing on, to nit-pick some small detail. I would believe this is your agreement with the premise that India is still better for muslims overall.

I never get this how Pakistanis all parrot the same lies and accusations, as if they were taught this in school.

Babri masjid was not demolished by Indian government, it was the work of religious tight party, something like the Indian taliban if you will.

Regards the Pakistani masjids, at least the lal masjid was stormed by the army which (at least officialy), is an arm of the Govt if not the govt itself. I am not sure how you want me to provide the proof for this, unless you cant use google wand are totally ignorant of events.

 

[RazPaK]

As usual, you totally side-stepped the issues those you were arguing on, to nit-pick some small detail. I would believe this is your agreement with the premise that India is still better for muslims overall.

I never get this how Pakistanis all parrot the same lies and accusations, as if they were taught this in school.

Babri masjid was not demolished by Indian government, it was the work of religious tight party, something like the Indian taliban if you will.

Regards the Pakistani masjids, at least the lal masjid was stormed by the army which (at least officialy), is an arm of the Govt if not the govt itself. I am not sure how you want me to provide the proof for this, unless you cant use google wand are totally ignorant of events.

Lal Majid= a step to prevent extremists from persecuting moderate muslims and minorities.

Babri Masjid= failure to control a riot that demolished a holy place sacred to many in India.

This is the difference.

 

[bandit]

Lal Majid= a step to prevent extremists from persecuting moderate muslims and minorities.

Babri Masjid= failure to control a riot that demolished a holy place sacred to many in India.

This is the difference.

So we agree that Babri wasn't a government authorized destruction as you had previously alleged but a failure, that's a start towards getting your facts right.

Now how does that failure even compare to the almost daily destruction and killling of mosques and shrines, obviously sacred to many, in Pakistan.

Just going by the numbers, Id say India is 50 times safer than Pakistan for mosques and Muslims alike.

 

[jayron]

Lal Majid= a step to prevent extremists from persecuting moderate muslims and minorities.

Babri Masjid= failure to control a riot that demolished a holy place sacred to many in India.

This is the difference.

You guys first gota know that unlinke the Hindus, Babri masjid area has no religious significance for muslims. It was actually unused for a long time. It became an issue only after it was politicized by both the leading political parties.

Lal masjid was of religious significance and so are the numerous sufi shrines being blownup regularly in Pakistan.