Mass Conversion To Christianity: A Case Study Of Chuhra Community In Sialkot District (1880- 1930)

[B.K.N]

We are proud Pakistanis and this is enough to distance ourselves from Indians (who themselves are a highly diverse nation anyway). We really don't have to re-invent history as a distancing tool..

I am not saying we should do or not
I said what they are doing

 

[Hamza913]

Looking at your posts........... seems like you guys are more Arab, Turk, Mughal and Persian (or even Aryan) than Punjabi.
You guys need to know your roots and take pride in your own identity. (If you really are Punjabis)

In your eyes, anyone who doesn't act like a Kafir isn't a real Punjabi. That's ultimately what you're dog-whistling.

 

[M. Sarmad]

In your eyes, anyone who doesn't act like a Kafir isn't a real Punjabi. That's ultimately what you're dog-whistling.

Rejecting your pseudo-historical revisionism doesn't make someone 'Kafir'...
Get a life 'Mufti' sahib

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Actually they are trying to distance themselves from India and want to be associated with Western asians members like Indus Pakistan and some other

No need to create fake identity to distance yourself with Indians. Pakistani just like Indians don't belong to one race or ethnic group. Indus Pakistani is Pashtun so he can associate with afghans and Persian.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I’m Rajput Punjabi before anything, but I’m not going to reject my commonality with Afghans, Arabs, Persians, and Turks to make you happy.

Significant populations of Punjab have foreign origins like Arains, Niyazis, and Sayyids.

Our time under Turco-Persian dynasties caused our reawakening as a nation and our Islamization. It was the seminal event in our history.

In your eyes, anyone who doesn't act like a Kafir isn't a real Punjabi. That's ultimately what you're dog-whistling.

You don’t have to love and idolize Ranjit Singh to be classified as a true Punjabi...

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

I’m Rajput Punjabi before anything, but I’m not going to reject my commonality with Afghans, Arabs, Persians, and Turks to make you happy.

Significant populations of Punjab have foreign origins like Arains, Niyazis, and Sayyids.

Our time under Turco-Persian dynasties caused our reawakening as a nation and our Islamization. It was the seminal event in our history.



You don’t have to love and idolize Ranjit Singh to be classified as a true Punjabi...

What Rajput clan you belong?
I am Janjua Rajput and i think Pakistani Rajputs share nothing with Afghans, Turks, Persian, Arabs except religious beliefs and sure we can only speak for ourselves and people are free to claim foreign origin if it make them feel superior but truth is this love and affiliation with arabs/Persian/central asians is one sided because others side don't associate with us in any way ..They even make fun of us that why we are naming our missiles abadli, gauri etc

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

No need to create fake identity to distance yourself with Indians. Pakistani just like Indians don't belong to one race or ethnic group. Indus Pakistani is Pashtun so he can associate with afghans and Persian.

With Pashtuns in Afghanistan, yes; he can. But how did Persians come into the equation?

Genetic studies have shown that all the native ethnic groups of Pakistan cluster together and are very similar.

 

[Hamza913]

You don’t have to love and idolize Ranjit Singh to be classified as a true Punjabi...

As per this retard you do.

pseudo-historical revisionism

The only one revising history is you lol, Mr "Khokhar dynasty wasn't Muslim".

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

The only one revising history is you lol, Mr "Khokhar dynasty wasn't Muslim".

Did he actually say that?

 

[M. Sarmad]

As per this retard you do.



The only one revising history is you lol, Mr "Khokhar dynasty wasn't Muslim".

Calling others Kafir and retards won't prove you right, my Arab wannabe desi friend

As for Jasrath Khokhar, he was mentioned as 'infidel' by Yahya Sirhindi in his Tarikh-i-Mubarak Shahi
As per Bada'uni, Jasrath Khokhar was son of Shaikha Khokhar. But as per Ferishta, Jusrut was brother of Shaikha Gakhar ....

Go read Tarikh-i-Mubarak Shahi , then google what 'revisionism' means, and then come back here to discuss that

Did he actually say that?

Not me, bro .... The famous 15th century Indian chronicler Yahya bin Ahmad Sirhindi said that about Jasrath Khokhar. .... Declare your "Jihad" against him, not me

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

With Pashtuns in Afghanistan, yes; he can. But how did Persians come into the equation?

Genetic studies have shown that all the native ethnic groups of Pakistan cluster together and are very similar.

Non Pashtun of Afghanistan claim to be afghan thats why i wrote afghan/Persian. Pashtu is also an eastern Iranian language. Afghanistan has been part of Persian empire . Countries like Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan share national heroes, poets, and folklore. Modern Persian language evolved around north eastern Iran (Khorasan) close to Afghanistan and Irans most famous poets and writers are actually from northern Afghanistan, Tajikistan or the tajik region of Uzbekistan

Persia

Genetic studies have shown that all the native ethnic groups of Pakistan cluster together and are very similar.

We are talking about origin
off course if people from different ethnic groups live together for centuries then they will share similarities

 

[Hamza913]

Calling others Kafir and retards won't prove you right

Neither will you randomly calling people wannabe Arabs.

As for Jasrath Khokhar, he was mentioned as 'infidel' by Yahya Sirhindi in his Tarikh-i-Mubarak Shahi

Almost every source calls him a Muslim. The only reason he's called a Kafir in that book is because he fought against the Delhi Sultanate. So of course, a book from the Delhi Sultanate would call him a Kafir.

Your methodology is completely autistic, but that's to be expected since you reject ahadith.

Did he actually say that?

Yes lol.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Neither will you randomly calling people wannabe Arabs.



Almost every source calls him a Muslim. The only reason he's called a Kafir in that book is because he fought against the Delhi Sultanate. So of course, a book from the Delhi Sultanate would call him a Kafir.

Your methodology is completely autistic, but that's to be expected since you reject ahadith.

You are an Arab wannabe Takfiri sectarian who loves to issue 'Kufr' fatwas against those who disagree with him on anything, from history to politics or religion.... And you are doing that on every thread now

As for the reason behind labeling of Jasrat Khokhar as infidel by Yahya, we can speculate as much as we want. That may or may not have been the 'reason' ... but the fact remains that Jasrath has been mentioned as an 'infidel' in the chronicles of the Delhi Sultanate. And I have just pointed out what those chronicles state...

 

[Hamza913]

You are an Arab wannabe Takfiri sectarian who loves to issue 'Kufr' fatwas against those who disagree with him on anything, from history to politics or religion.... And you are doing that on every thread now

No, I've issued takfir upon you because you're a Kafir and it's very apparent. All you do is label people as Arab wannabes when it suits you.

we can speculate as much as we want.

It's not "speculation", you've got 1 source to contradict literally every other. The view that Jasrath is a Kafir is simply untenable, and your source can easily be explained away.

 

[M. Sarmad]

I've issued takfir upon you because you're a Kafir and it's very apparent.

Then apnay is fatway ki batti bana and shove it up your rear end.

It's not "speculation", you've got 1 source to contradict literally every other. The view that Jasrath is a Kafir is simply untenable, and your source can easily be explained away.

Open a new thread. Post your sources... And if multiple reliable sources (the primary ones) say that Jasrath Khokhar was a Muslim, then (and only then) can your explanation be accepted.