Marines issue: Italy may recall ambassador to India

[Guynextdoor2]

We redeem nothing. Latorre needs healthcare. Healthcare that india is not able to give at the same standard that italy does.

Also i might remember you that entire EU sides with italy. German ambassador himself in india said that this case hurts EU - India relations badly. Ashton even stopped the freetrade talks. Latorre will not come back and our 2nd marine will go home too. Italy always had great relations with india. It was italy that brought the freetrade talks with india into motion. Italy and india were never hostile with each other. It is up to you how this ends.

Oh FU, if we can give your boys a guest house treatment till trial is done, we can provide them with star quality healthcare too. If you think India 'can't give', I can assure you that not only can we give him some of the best HC facilities on the planet but also under the supervision of some of the best cardiac surgeons in the world- of the sort that it might not be matched even in Italy. You and your government are at this point causally talking about commiting a fraud on the people of India who in good faith have provided your citizen with some respite not given to others. The consequences of this will be severe, as it should be and reflects an attitude that is taken for granted. And as for your trade deal, I can assure you we can get any deal we want. Your diplomatic accomplishments are nowhere close to ours. Our more recent accomplshments include completely modifying the nuclear architecture of the world to accommodate our interests and getting in-principle agreement to become a part of the security council. Both above the abilities of the Italian establishment. You're talking about some trade deal which is chicken - shit work for us.

Italy is part of EU and even a member of NATO and here EU nations do understand the importance of India, they do know that lot of wrong things are done against Indians and they are even aware of all this. This is a diplomatic issue and should be solved diplomatically.

This is not a diplomatic issue, this is a legal issue now.

 

[Hindustani78]

This is not a diplomatic issue, this is a legal issue now.

It is infact a legal issue but also its political dimension had to be kept in view.Italian ambassador was barred from leaving because this case was made into a diplomatic issue. Way back in september 2013 , we have saw enough about VCDR and its articles.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

This is indeed a major diplomatic issue. My suggestion is the the two marines should play dome shots servants in the sequel to the Indian superpower movie and had ambassador is the new European guy that gush over how beautiful is India.

superior days of west is over for Europe and will soon be over for US also....

I don't think India would dare breaking the Geneva convention by taking Italian ambassador hostage.

What if Italy does the same to your envoy and othe EU countries follow?

In India SC is Paramount.... If it give Order ,No Convention will Work........If any diplomat given undertaking in Court is Bound by Court.......

Same will happen with other EU country personals..... Indian Court is paramount, like you hide criminals in EU citing courts order ....

Granted, EU has a lot of inter-country issues, but let me assure you when it comes to diplomatic stand-off, they are gonna stand by Italy.

You can not simply break Geneva convention, just try it and you lose all the moral ground that you otherwise had gained when USA detained your lower level diplomat.

Moral side apart, by breaking Geneva convention, you are gonna set a precedence.

Not good,

this is India, It can do anything when it comes ....... Yrs US/EU technology denial don't stop india to become space/ nuclear power. India don't give to those Pony UN etc.

India deal own its own Terms.... India told Italy , if solder don't come expect your diplomat arrested .......like or not .

In geneva convention , any country can arrest diplomat if he breaks its law which consider major breach, and no disregard SC in india is consider major violation of law...

read Geneva Convention... then come...

 

[BuddhaPalm]

So what are you gonna do if Italy refuses to send him to India? What are the options available to India?

Send some RAW agents on the mission?

Italy already slapped Indian Supreme Court in the face. If India felt any shame at being treated inferior, it would burst into the Italian embassy and take the other marine into custody -- a real Indian jail this time. Then he would be mistreated by the jail keepers until Italy hands Latorre over to the Supreme Court.

When is the elephant going to show the world its muscle? Or is strongman Modi going to accept another humiliation for India's inferior status?

 

[MilSpec]

The congress also had the balls to drag them back to India, kicking and screaming, when they tried to jump bail. Let's give credit where it's due. They were only let go in the first place after a surety from their ambassador.

Could they afford not to? And no credit........ for doing their job,

We redeem nothing. Latorre needs healthcare. Healthcare that india is not able to give at the same standard that italy does.

Also i might remember you that entire EU sides with italy. German ambassador himself in india said that this case hurts EU - India relations badly. Ashton even stopped the freetrade talks. Latorre will not come back and our 2nd marine will go home too. Italy always had great relations with india. It was italy that brought the freetrade talks with india into motion. Italy and india and were never hostile with each other. It is up to you how this ends.

It ends with marine finishing their jail term and returning to Italy... that's about it

 

[Screambowl]

Now it is highly unlikely for next 4 years that, Marines will be freed at all from the case.

 

[axisofevil]

indian courts have no power over italian soldiers. Italy said more than ince, that it does not accept this procedure and does not acknowledge this court. The EU, UN, USA agree with this.

We dont give a damn. We see foreign soldiers in other nations prisons all the time. Wake up

I don't think India would dare breaking the Geneva convention by taking Italian ambassador hostage.

What if Italy does the same to your envoy and othe EU countries follow?

We wont but you never know. If Italy knows best, it better behave and act right.

 

[Krate M]

I think the only way out is that the marines are sentenced and then pardoned by the government for better diplomatic relations.
The problem is the Italians are questioning whether the Indian courts have jurisdiction, that is something Indian courts won't tolerate.

 

[MarkusS]

We dont give a damn. We see foreign soldiers in other nations prisons all the time. Wake up





We wont but you never know. If Italy knows best, it better behave and act right.

Our soldier is not in prison, He works in our embassy, attends night clubs and party. Your government dropped charges on our pressure and already lost billions of € in revenues because free trade between EU and India. EU is indias biggest trading partner. And now face reality. Your economy is slowing down, you are ruled from a moron who believes ancient indians travelled space and had genetic engineering. Your so called space program is nothing but hot air, since your mars craft was build from spareparts delivered to you from ESA. Your countrey loses economic motion and international renomee. I know that many members hee in this forum have zero clue about military at all. Most are just internet warriors and video gamers, but let me explain you something:

This case does affect italian security and international security. If italy would allow this bullshit, then we can close our entire military down. No soldier would serve a nation that does not protect him. A soldier must trust his nation, that No one is left behind. The EU, USA and NATO can end mission Atalata that fight against pirates from Somalia. because it would lose any basement. Infact it was USA who told india to drop this shit because it woukd endanger the international efforts to fight terrorism. What we see here is a butthurt india who want look strong but acts like an absolute weakling because it fears the consequences. If india would be strong it would have pulled through its "terrorist law". But your coward leaders realized that they would label italy a terrorist country then and did fear the consequences. And no, our soldiers are not murderers. It was an accident.

We already got one soldier home. Our government already said we will not send him back, since we dont trust the indian healthcare system. Our ambassador will also leave india and so will the 2nd marine. You had 3 years time to solve this behind closed doors and save your face. Your own diplomats told Our government that this case must be dropped, since it hurts indias own interests, for populistic reasons they did not hear. Your own military said this will hurt indian military interests in war against terrorism and pirates.

Now let us look at the results:

- you ruined your friendship with a country that was always pro india since one hundred years
- you brought entire EU (your largest trading partner) against you and let fail free trade talks that cost your economy hundreds of billions of €
- you endanger international efforts in war against piracy and terrorism

good luck with your minority complex. India is a country that often enough was target of terrorism. Two idiots driving fast towards a filled oil tanker, reacting to no warnings will always cause the same result. Our soldiers feard a USS Cole like attack. Get over it and face reality.

Yes i support our soldiers, as entire italy does. They did the right thing and evryone would do the same in this situation. No matter if you like it or not, your soldiers would have done the same.

 

[The Great One]

Our soldier is not in prison, He works in our embassy, attends night clubs and party. Your government dropped charges on our pressure and already lost billions of € in revenues because free trade between EU and India. EU is indias biggest trading partner. And now face reality. Your economy is slowing down, you are ruled from a moron who believes ancient indians travelled space and had genetic engineering. Your so called space program is nothing but hot air, since your mars craft was build from spareparts delivered to you from ESA. Your countrey loses economic motion and international renomee. I know that many members hee in this forum have zero clue about military at all. Most are just internet warriors and video gamers, but let me explain you something:

This case does affect italian security and international security. If italy would allow this bullshit, then we can close our entire military down. No soldier would serve a nation that does not protect him. A soldier must trust his nation, that No one is left behind. The EU, USA and NATO can end mission Atalata that fight against pirates from Somalia. because it would lose any basement. Infact it was USA who told india to drop this shit because it woukd endanger the international efforts to fight terrorism. What we see here is a butthurt india who want look strong but acts like an absolute weakling because it fears the consequences. If india would be strong it would have pulled through its "terrorist law". But your coward leaders realized that they would label italy a terrorist country then and did fear the consequences. And no, our soldiers are not murderers. It was an accident.

We already got one soldier home. Our government already said we will not send him back, since we dont trust the indian healthcare system. Our ambassador will also leave india and so will the 2nd marine. You had 3 years time to solve this behind closed doors and save your face. Your own diplomats told Our government that this case must be dropped, since it hurts indias own interests, for populistic reasons they did not hear. Your own military said this will hurt indian military interests in war against terrorism and pirates.

Now let us look at the results:

- you ruined your friendship with a country that was always pro india since one hundred years
- you brought entire EU (your largest trading partner) against you and let fail free trade talks that cost your economy hundreds of billions of €
- you endanger international efforts in war against piracy and terrorism

good luck with your minority complex. India is a country that often enough was target of terrorism. Two idiots driving fast towards a filled oil tanker, reacting to no warnings will always cause the same result. Our soldiers feard a USS Cole like attack. Get over it and face reality.

Yes i support our soldiers, as entire italy does. They did the right thing and evryone would do the same in this situation. No matter if you like it or not, your soldiers would have done the same.

LOL What a joker.
This matter would have been handled deftly had Italy had co-operated from the beginning. Instead of trying to discredit Indian courts and jurisdiction, had you guys just let it be solved diplomatically no one would be having this conversation today. But you did not. Not only that, we acting in good faith allowed your soldiers to go back for Christmas and what did you do? If your 1 soldier doesn't come back, we'll definitely prosecute the other, and even your ambassador if you try to retaliate with our embassy staff. Even under the best case scenario, he'll end up like Assange - with a glaring Vitamin D deficiency because of staying indoor everyday for the rest of his life.

And now face reality. Your economy is slowing down, you are ruled from a moron who believes ancient indians travelled space and had genetic engineering. Your so called space program is nothing but hot air, since your mars craft was build from spareparts delivered to you from ESA.

LOL, Economy is slowing down! Never seen a more clueless troll than you.
The best BRIC: India seen as favorite among set of emerging markets
India Economy: Best of the Broken Brics -- Heard on the Street - WSJ
India Growth Outlook Best Among BRIC, Better Than China: Fitch
India Is Eclipsing China's Economy As Brightest BRIC Star
1 minute of google search. I dare you to spend another day to find me a single source which says that MoM came from ESA.

Your countrey loses economic motion and international renomee. I know that many members hee in this forum have zero clue about military at all. Most are just internet warriors and video gamers, but let me explain you something:

What economic motion. Last I heard, India blocked WTO deal and forced America to settle issues completely according to our terms. And what are you, if not a internet warrior. When did you serve in Italian military.

 

[MarkusS]

LOL What a joker.
This matter would have been handled deftly had Italy had co-operated from the beginning. Instead of trying to discredit Indian courts and jurisdiction, had you guys just let it be solved diplomatically no one would be having this conversation today. But you did not. Not only that, we acting in good faith allowed your soldiers to go back for Christmas and what did you do? If your 1 soldier doesn't come back, we'll definitely prosecute the other, and even your ambassador if you try to retaliate with our embassy staff. Even under the best case scenario, he'll end up like Assange - with a glaring Vitamin D deficiency because of staying indoor everyday for the rest of his life.

LOL, Economy is slowing down! Never seen a more clueless troll than you.
The best BRIC: India seen as favorite among set of emerging markets
India Economy: Best of the Broken Brics -- Heard on the Street - WSJ
India Growth Outlook Best Among BRIC, Better Than China: Fitch
India Is Eclipsing China's Economy As Brightest BRIC Star
1 minute of google search. I dare you to spend another day to find me a single source which says that MoM came from ESA.

What economic motion. Last I heard, India blocked WTO deal and forced America to settle issues completely according to our terms. And what are you, if not a internet warrior. When did you serve in Italian military.

First:
Mars Orbiter Mission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Without NASA and ESA guidance your "spacecraft" would not even made it beyond earth orbit.

Not all articles say india is fine:

Annual economic survey highlights India's worst growth slowdown in 30 years : India, News - India Today

Reality is, that most indians live in absolute poverty. A poverty on a scale that is unimaginable in Europe.

The EU is indias greatest trade partner. We already suspended any further talks about free trade.

Italian marines’ issue may affect India-EU trade ties - The Times of India

As you can see now, we let things escalate. Do as you wish. Italy waited 3 years that your incompetent banana republic system deals with this case. Time is over. One soldier is home. Our ambassador is also on the way back home and so will be our 2nd soldier. If india want create an enemy its indias right to do so. We won´t waste any further time with this nonsense.

We have bigger problems in this world than playing with the tribal leaders of a backwarded society.

And don´t worry for our 2nd soldier. The italian embassy has a huge garden.

And if you believe that we would send one of our soldiers, who needs the best medical attention into your backwarded 3rd world hellhole for treatment...

then you must be nuts.

Just one thing, Italy was always a friend of india. Your government is absolutly incompetent. Maybe it should concentrate on its ancient alien hindu science and stop destroying diplomatic relations. Italy acted in good faith and trust towards the indians. This was failed. We aren´t dealing with a rational 21st century nation here. 3 years passed and your pathetic tribal court does not even know what they want bring up with.

What do you expect us to do? Accept this bullshit any longer? There is a time when you have to act.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

First:
Mars Orbiter Mission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Without NASA and ESA guidance your "spacecraft" would not even made it beyond earth orbit.

Not all articles say india is fine:

Its Indian instrument which find water on moon for first time, West is now tell lies,
A) Gravity is known in India for ages before newton discovered.. and its document.

Annual economic survey highlights India's worst growth slowdown in 30 years : India, News - India Today

Reality is, that most indians live in absolute poverty. A poverty on a scale that is unimaginable in Europe.

The EU is indias greatest trade partner. We already suspended any further talks about free trade.

EU is desperate to save its jobs begging india to allow duty free cars and whines .... but India say No....... Its India who Said No to free trade talk, India don't need EU free trade anyway......

Italian marines’ issue may affect India-EU trade ties - The Times of India

As you can see now, we let things escalate. Do as you wish. Italy waited 3 years that your incompetent banana republic system deals with this case. Time is over. One soldier is home. Our ambassador is also on the way back home and so will be our 2nd soldier. If india want create an enemy its indias right to do so. We won´t waste any further time with this nonsense.

We have bigger problems in this world than playing with the tribal leaders of a backwarded society.

And don´t worry for our 2nd soldier. The italian embassy has a huge garden.

And if you believe that we would send one of our soldiers, who needs the best medical attention into your backwarded 3rd world hellhole for treatment...

then you must be nuts.

Just one thing, Italy was always a friend of india. Your government is absolutly incompetent. Maybe it should concentrate on its ancient alien hindu science and stop destroying diplomatic relations. Italy acted in good faith and trust towards the indians. This was failed. We aren´t dealing with a rational 21st century nation here. 3 years passed and your pathetic tribal court does not even know what they want bring up with.

What do you expect us to do? Accept this bullshit any longer? There is a time when you have to act.

what a solider who, our court want to give the 5-10 years life term in jail , but Italy begging not give sentence and find solution, thats why talking time.

Its open and shut case , Italian kill indian , proof and everything.....

What we do we kill Italian ship captain and solider , problem solved , Didn't you get it , your days os superiority is open now.

 

[The Great One]

First:
Mars Orbiter Mission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Without NASA and ESA guidance your "spacecraft" would not even made it beyond earth orbit.

Not all articles say india is fine:

Annual economic survey highlights India's worst growth slowdown in 30 years : India, News - India Today

Reality is, that most indians live in absolute poverty. A poverty on a scale that is unimaginable in Europe.

The EU is indias greatest trade partner. We already suspended any further talks about free trade.

Italian marines’ issue may affect India-EU trade ties - The Times of India

As you can see now, we let things escalate. Do as you wish. Italy waited 3 years that your incompetent banana republic system deals with this case. Time is over. One soldier is home. Our ambassador is also on the way back home and so will be our 2nd soldier. If india want create an enemy its indias right to do so. We won´t waste any further time with this nonsense.

We have bigger problems in this world than playing with the tribal leaders of a backwarded society.

And don´t worry for our 2nd soldier. The italian embassy has a huge garden.

And if you believe that we would send one of our soldiers, who needs the best medical attention into your backwarded 3rd world hellhole for treatment...

then you must be nuts.

Just one thing, Italy was always a friend of india. Your government is absolutly incompetent. Maybe it should concentrate on its ancient alien hindu science and stop destroying diplomatic relations. Italy acted in good faith and trust towards the indians. This was failed. We aren´t dealing with a rational 21st century nation here. 3 years passed and your pathetic tribal court does not even know what they want bring up with.

What do you expect us to do? Accept this bullshit any longer? There is a time when you have to act.

Seriously, just stop it. The more you reply the more you embarrass yourself in front of everyone here.
Lets see

So this

Your so called space program is nothing but hot air, since your mars craft was build from spareparts delivered to you from ESA

Became this

Without NASA and ESA guidance your "spacecraft" would not even made it beyond earth orbit.

LOL even now Troll, at least read your own links
Mars Orbiter Mission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

NASA's Deep Space Network is providing position data through its three stations located inCanberra, Madrid and Goldstone on the US West Coast

The South African National Space Agency's (SANSA)Hartebeesthoek (HBK) ground station is also providing satellite tracking, telemetry and command services.

LOL, forget making the orbiter from 'ESA spare parts', there was no role of ESA in the project. And we used NASA's help only because of this.

NASA's Deep Space Network is providing position data through its three stations located inCanberra, Madrid and Goldstone on the US West Coast during the non-visible period of ISRO's network.

What a joke.

Next

Not all articles say india is fine:

Annual economic survey highlights India's worst growth slowdown in 30 years : India, News - India Today

The Economic Survey 2013-14 is out,

Once again try reading your own sources, troll.


In the end of course like all of the Chinese jokers here, you ended up with poverty. Yes, there is poverty here, but that doesn't mean that we'll sacrifice our self-respect, that too for murderers, especially when you people act like this. All of this could have been avoided, if you hadn't come with your white-supremacist attitudes. Our Judicial system indeed has a problem and now your marines are going to enjoy the brunt of it.
LOL And please forget about ever getting your 2nd marine back. After all the drama you've pulled (again), he'll never leave our shores ever again and at the very best, rot in your little embassy.

We have differences over a few issues such as customs duty on luxury cars etc. and thats where the deal is stalled. When the issue is resolved, we'll have it. Money reigns supreme, bit#h.

 

[MarkusS]

Its Indian instrument which find water on moon for first time, West is now tell lies,
A) Gravity is known in India for ages before newton discovered.. and its document.




EU is desperate to save its jobs begging india to allow duty free cars and whines .... but India say No....... Its India who Said No to free trade talk, India don't need EU free trade anyway......




what a solider who, our court want to give the 5-10 years life term in jail , but Italy begging not give sentence and find solution, thats why talking time.

Its open and shut case , Italian kill indian , proof and everything.....

What we do we kill Italian ship captain and solider , problem solved , Didn't you get it , your days os superiority is open now.

Sorry...your english is so bad its hard to follow.

Yeah india knows gravity since ages. Guess they discovered the law with their vedic spaceships at Eta Centauri.

The EU suspended the free trade talks with india. It was india that asked for new talks about it. The EU says there is no need of further talks right now. Our ban for certain indian agricultural products did not help either. Indian fruits do not match european standards and because of this were banned. You want kill a soldier and captain? You clearly show why you don´t belong into the 21st century. Thats exactly the reason why i see no sense in further debates about this.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Sorry...your english is so bad its hard to follow.

Yeah india knows gravity since ages. Guess they discovered the law with their vedic spaceships at Eta Centauri.

The EU suspended the free trade talks with india. It was india that asked for new talks about it. The EU says there is no need of further talks right now. Our ban for certain indian agricultural products did not help either. Indian fruits do not match european standards and because of this were banned. You want kill a soldier and captain? You clearly show why you don´t belong into the 21st century. Thats exactly the reason why i see no sense in further debates about this.

My friend

A) Indian Moon Mission probe find Water on MOON.......... ( Hard to understand) Space achievement which West can't do even in 50 years after reaching on moon.

1St moon probe , bring real result , don't wasted time and energy send people probe to moon and find nothing.

B) Yes, , you can't accept that Law of Gravity was written i Indian well document Text, you feel very humiliating accepting that. Forget about planes, Indian knows about speed of light in well document .....
Indians knew gravity laws 500 years before Newton

Indian find 12000 years old city which has harbours also for ships,, 12000 Years, you well find caves in EU..... you should ashamed , you tell all lies and fabricated lies...

C) you people don't deserve anything, during 19th and 20th century you killed many asian and 21st Century you making human right DRAMA , you kill someone and think this is 19th century and you have right to kill asian.

EU is not main trading partner of India, Nor India need EU, Its EU to who keep coming India get job for themselves, India SAID NO free imports of CARS and Whine, do what you can't , we don't sign FTA, this is what India said.