Italy intends to leave China’s Belt and Road Initiative, defense minister says

[Bengal71]

they are paying off corrupt officials. we know that is going to end one day

Western countries do the same mate. China can have N number of faults but giving loans to developing countries for infra is not one of them. It's the fault of corrupt governments in developing countries.

 

[Rollno21]

It's expensive for European to build the projects becos the cost is high everything in Europe. Montenegro wanted to build unnecessary expensive bridge, can't blame on others.

Stop your BS and slandering of Chinese BRI, you sleazy Vietnamese jealousy. For example the Pakistani CPEC, a flagship of BRI, quotes:

"The data collected provides that only 7 percent (3,780)of the total jobs created is attributed to Chinese nationals while 93 percent (47,800) of the workers are form Pakistan."


https://cpec-centre.pk/wp-content/u...-and-Related-Road-Infrastructure-Projects.pdf

What billions spent and only 50000 jobs created, something is not adding up.

 

[etylo]

What billions spent and only 50000 jobs created, something is not adding up.

Its only six projects.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

And in Indonesia, we only use Chinese experts on advanced project that we lack of experience, the rest of it done by local companies and workers.

That is literally bullshit and all indonesian knows it. The chinese doesn't just send their experts they also send their Scab workers for the purporse of stealing people's job.

Not to mention there's hierarchy between chinese workers and local workers. With the former being paid more and treated better. Also Racism on the chinese part.

BRI is also the only investments that sends thousands of their country's workers to work on infrastructure.

 

[etylo]

That is literally bullshit and all indonesian knows it. The chinese doesn't just send their experts they also send their Scab workers for the purporse of stealing people's job.

Not to mention there's hierarchy between chinese workers and local workers. With the former being paid more and treated better. Also Racism on the chinese part.

BRI is also the only investments that sends thousands of their country's workers to work on infrastructure.

BS on you Indian and American part as usual, Chinese are hired in the projects usually at more skilled positions so they they get paid more usually so what, you Americans are the most racist people and now try to slander Chinese workers, shame one you. When you American go to third world countries to work on projects, you people get paid way more than the locals and stay in 4 or 5 stars hotels, Chinese workers live with local workers, you are just a hypocrite. An example of CPEC part of BRI in Pakistan hiring practice, stop your foul BS of China brings all the Chinese workers to BRI, quotes:

"The data collected provides that only 7 percent (3,780)of the total jobs created is attributed to Chinese nationals while 93 percent (47,800) of the workers are form Pakistan."


https://cpec-centre.pk/wp-content/u...-and-Related-Road-Infrastructure-Projects.pdf

 

[Menthol]

That is literally bullshit and all indonesian knows it. The chinese doesn't just send their experts they also send their Scab workers for the purporse of stealing people's job.

Not to mention there's hierarchy between chinese workers and local workers. With the former being paid more and treated better. Also Racism on the chinese part.

BRI is also the only investments that sends thousands of their country's workers to work on infrastructure.

OMG

Seriously?

Yes, according to USA funded media and NGO.

How about USA and Indian expats in Indonesia? Are they different from Chinese, Korean, and Japanese expats?

Expat is expat, do I still need to explain what expat is?


I did hire the Chinese technicians for my new machines.

I do let them work down to small and menial jobs.

 

[Menthol]

BS on you Indian and American part as usual, Chinese are hired in the projects usually at more skilled positions so they they get paid more usually so what, you Americans are the most racist people and now try to slander Chinese workers, shame one you. When you American go to third world countries to work on projects, you people get paid way more than the locals and stay in 4 or 5 stars hotels, Chinese workers live with local workers, you are just a hypocrite. An example of CPEC part of BRI in Pakistan hiring practice, stop your foul BS of China brings all the Chinese workers to BRI, quotes:

"The data collected provides that only 7 percent (3,780)of the total jobs created is attributed to Chinese nationals while 93 percent (47,800) of the workers are form Pakistan."


https://cpec-centre.pk/wp-content/u...-and-Related-Road-Infrastructure-Projects.pdf

It's a worldwide attack on Chinese investment by CIA controlled media.

And it is very funny if American thinks that China economy miracle is because of them.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

OMG

Seriously?

Yes, according to USA funded media and NGO.

How about USA and Indian expats in Indonesia? Are they different from Chinese, Korean, and Japanese expats?

Expat is expat, do I still need to explain what expat is?


I did hire the Chinese technicians for my new machines.

I do let them work down to small and menial jobs.

The US funded media?

Dokumen Ungkap Banyak Pekerja Cina di Proyek Kereta Cepat Jakarta-Bandung, Ini Kata KCIC

Sebuah dokumen mengungkap jumlah pegawai asal Cina di proyek Kereta Cepat Jakarta-Bandung lebih banyak dibandingkan dari Indonesia. Apa kata KCIC?

bisnis.tempo.co

Jumlah pegawai Cina disebutkan sebanyak 771 orang untuk posisi staf belum termasuk pimpinan, deputi, manajer, insinyur, dan penerjemah.

Sementara pegawai asal Indonesia hanya 95 orang dengan posisi yang bervariasi. Dokumen tersebut merupakan lampiran surat PT Kereta Cepat Indonesia China (PT KCIC) yang ditujukan kepada Liu Zhenfang, Ketua Dewan dan Sekretaris Group China Railway tentang Pengadaan Penyedia Jasa Pengoperasian dan Pemeliharaan.

Chinese 771 (not including people in managerial position & supports personnel)

Indonesian 95...

Can any chinese here explains why in allah name. Why investment program need to sends so many chinese scabs workers to steal jobs from the locals?

8 Pernyataan PT GNI Terkait Bentrokan Maut yang Tewaskan 2 WNI-WNA

PT Gunbuster Nickel Industry (PT GNI) memberikan keterangan resmi terkait bentrokan maut yang menewaskan 2 orang.

news.detik.com

This is about the GNI a chinese company in indonesia. Where there's reports of abuse and racism in the workplace by the chinese against the local workers that resulted in race riot.

 

[maithil]

Boom days are over.

What they did to "their Israel" in CPEC, any thinking leader will stay away from Eleven.

Tun Mahathir was spot on.

 

[Menthol]

The US funded media?

Dokumen Ungkap Banyak Pekerja Cina di Proyek Kereta Cepat Jakarta-Bandung, Ini Kata KCIC

Sebuah dokumen mengungkap jumlah pegawai asal Cina di proyek Kereta Cepat Jakarta-Bandung lebih banyak dibandingkan dari Indonesia. Apa kata KCIC?

bisnis.tempo.co

Chinese 771 (not including people in managerial position & supports personnel)

Indonesian 95...

Can any chinese here explains why in allah name. Why investment program need to sends so many chinese scabs workers to steal jobs from the locals?

8 Pernyataan PT GNI Terkait Bentrokan Maut yang Tewaskan 2 WNI-WNA

PT Gunbuster Nickel Industry (PT GNI) memberikan keterangan resmi terkait bentrokan maut yang menewaskan 2 orang.

news.detik.com

This is about the GNI a chinese company in indonesia. Where there's reports of abuse and racism in the workplace by the chinese against the local workers that resulted in race riot.

To build the entire HSR line, China just needs 771 + 95 people.

Do you believe it?

It's a very big project and you just point one section at a time.

Besides it's HSR project, where is your mind?

 

[KAL-EL]

Adoro il cibo italiano!!

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

To build the entire HSR line, China just needs 771 + 95 people.

Do you believe it?

It's a very big project and you just point one section at a time.

Besides it's HSR project, where is your mind?

Oh sweet lord no. The Chinese sourced over 1000 chinese workers! The 700 people are for those formally contracted by the company. Not the imported day laborers.

Fun fact: 6 of chinese workers injured with 2 of them ended up dead. But they're chinese so no real lost there.

Again what is wrong with the Chinese?

Even our MRT financed by Japan & britain have zero japanese & british doing manual labor.

 

[Puffin]

Western countries do the same mate. China can have N number of faults but giving loans to developing countries for infra is not one of them. It's the fault of corrupt governments in developing countries.

It absolutely is when those loans are agreed in back rooms with known kleptocratic dictators who get a back hander . The terms of those loans are kept "official secrets" and cannot be revealed to the countries inhabitants. Those loans then used to employ ONLY CHINESE COMAPANIES and all work to be carried out by Chinese personnel . The "loans" then used to pay these companies and the Chinese employees. In other words the money , except for the backhanders , NEVER LEAVES CHINA.

At the end of it the country ends up owing billions in sovereign debt but with flashy airport or highway that goes nowhere

 

[etylo]

It absolutely is when those loans are agreed in back rooms with known kleptocratic dictators who get a back hander . The terms of those loans are kept "official secrets" and cannot be revealed to the countries inhabitants. Those loans then used to employ ONLY CHINESE COMAPANIES and all work to be carried out by Chinese personnel . The "loans" then used to pay these companies and the Chinese employees. In other words the money , except for the backhanders , NEVER LEAVES CHINA.

At the end of it the country ends up owing billions in sovereign debt but with flashy airport or highway that goes nowhere

Pure BS from your foul mouth as usual.

 

[Menthol]

Fun fact: 6 of chinese workers injured with 2 of them ended up dead. But they're chinese so no real lost there.

Well, I don't know what to say to you.

It's your character.

Pure BS from your foul mouth as usual.

When he said about kleptocratic and dictator, it's no longer a worthy conversation.