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Man fined for blasphemy, not killed: Isn’t this a better way?

That is the people's problem, being offended is a state of the mind, nothing physical.

DUI's on the other hand kill people.

Well said.

if any person say something against islam doesnot mean he should be given death sentence and the qadi can give any kind of punishment but if anyone insults the Prophet pbuh has to get a death sentence ( even if he oppologise and doesnot matter what his religon is ).

THIS IS WHAT I KNOW AND WHAT HAVE HEARD FROM SCHOLARS

TARIQ

That's the crux of the problem, too many people listening to others while refusing to use their noggin to be commonsensical about such matters.
 
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if any person say something against islam doesnot mean he should be given death sentence and the qadi can give any kind of punishment but if anyone insults the Prophet pbuh has to get a death sentence ( even if he oppologise and doesnot matter what his religon is ).

THIS IS WHAT I KNOW AND WHAT HAVE HEARD FROM SCHOLARS

TARIQ

Define scholars
If I were to say I'm a scholar, and you read my above post; what would you do?
 
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lol u r just a nick sitting behind a pc
i know about the ppl that i m talking about



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I normally don't answer or communicate with non muslim on this issue coz they can't understand it

TARIQ
 
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if any person say something against islam doesnot mean he should be given death sentence and the qadi can give any kind of punishment but if anyone insults the Prophet pbuh has to get a death sentence ( even if he oppologise and doesnot matter what his religon is ).

THIS IS WHAT I KNOW AND WHAT HAVE HEARD FROM SCHOLARSTARIQ

How would that help spreading the message of Islam , if we were to kill every one who insult Prophet (PBUH) .. we all know the stories what actions he took when he was insulted by the kuffar of Makkah when Islam was at its very intial stages, he was called names + there are numerous stories of people who threw stones and animal waste whilst Prophet (PBUH) was praying etc etc .. he pardoned them all infact made sure they are looked after. Thats what helped Islam spread like a wild fire in Arabia .. Prophet (PBUH) lead by character .. why cant we be tolerant and ignore or be patient towards any one who insults. Sir G kisi ki zuban nahi band kar saktay its just that they are ill-informed ... by killing or suporting the death of any one who directly or indirectly insults Prophet PBUH or Islam or his companions we are leaving a very bad impression to non-beleivers , infact these news hurt Islam more than any thing else. There are people who twisted Ahadis to serve their interests , there are no such commands in Quran as well
 
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Assalam alaikum

pak marine bhai, how many time we tell u don't mention the era when Prophet pbuh was in makkah coz the ahkam were defferent

Besides i m not gonna take ur world bring me just what known schalors say about it i m not gonna take ur world for it we take it from schalors.

u mentioned rapid the spread of islam it was mainly bcoz the followers ( companions r-a ) of the Prophet pbuh applied what they knew about islam and passed it to the generations coming after them. so many times i aksed u ppl can u give us any example if in muslim land someone insulted the Prophet and got away? this continued till the colonial era
dont worry about the ppl going away from islam or not islam is being terrorised by all the major grps in the world and even from within but still it is spreading and will do so

TARIQ
 
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Assalam alaikum

pak marine bhai, how many time we tell u don't mention the era when Prophet pbuh was in makkah coz the ahkam were defferent

Besides i m not gonna take ur world bring me just what known schalors say about it i m not gonna take ur world for it we take it from schalors.

u mentioned rapid the spread of islam it was mainly bcoz the followers ( companions r-a ) of the Prophet pbuh applied what they knew about islam and passed it to the generations coming after them. so many times i aksed u ppl can u give us any example if in muslim land someone insulted the Prophet and got away? this continued till the colonial era
dont worry about the ppl going away from islam or not islam is being terrorised by all the major grps in the world and even from within but still it is spreading and will do so

TARIQ

To tell you the truth i have read these in school Islamiat lessons .. sindh text book board books have them ! any one who did their schooling in 80-90's in Pak can confirm the same. I cant go and pull out the references its next to impossible for me .. As for different Ahkams in Makkah can you give me a Quranic references ? i want to see where it says Muslims have to act differently in two different places!? Also i am hoping its not a one liner and would like to see the full reference. I bet you cant produce you know why because its common sense Pophet PBUH was sent by God on the planet his actions and words were termed Sunnah. Now there cant be two Sunnahs contradicting each other can they ??

since you are not sure and dont wish to take some ones word "i have a suggestion why not search for some thing from a very reliable & neutral source that what action Prophet PBUH took when some one insulted him .. ? i guess that will clear the air
 
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1- an old woman used to throw trash over Muhammad PBUH every day while he went mast her house during his days in Mecca, he never responded aggressively nor he asked anymore to harm her. when she fell ill he actually went to attend to her and that actually changed her world and she embraced Islam.

2- Arabs pride themselves for being the speakers of the most rich & superior language i.e. Arabic and thus used it to express themselves in the most eloquent way, if they decided to insult someone they used the same power of their Arabic and so did a poet who would write and sing parodies and phrases that were utterly disgusting and insulting to Muhammad PBUH, when word reached the prophet PBUH, he did express displeasure but didn’t order anyone to go and kill that poet. As it happens later on the same blasphemer became Muslim later and then wrote songs in Muhammad PBUH’s praise.

Examples are many, when the children of taif threw stones at Prophet and when people would put camel guts over Him during prayer times in Mecca, even at the beginning of Islamic preaching he had Hamza & Abu Talib as his uncles who were famous noble knights but he never asked anyone or allowed anyone to seek revenge and punish someone over physically or verbally assaulting and insulting the Prophet PBUH.

Just consider for a second that the 2nd great Caliph Omar before embracing Islam, even set out to kill the Prophet and beat up his sister and her husband as they had become Muslims, now how can this be less serious than verbally insulting the Prophet? But as the history tells us, Omar came out of his sisters house a changed man and offered himself to the Prophet. Any other Muslim, of that time, if he had the same sort of ignorant and misplaced zoolatry of Qadri would have killed hazrat Omar earlier or even when he came to the place where Muhammad PBUH was known to be preaching his followers.


The point is , if we will draw our weapons and start killing people who are insulting Islamic personalities, books and the practices then we are pretty much negating the very meaning of Islam , I.e. peace to all and submission to Allah and the claim about respecting and tolerant towards others.


I hope the pro-execution zealots don’t bend the above examples into something out of context and spirit and justify te murder yet again.
 
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Islam insult fine upheld in Court of Appeal - The National

There is no mass revolt against this ruling in Dubai. They obviously know more Arabic yet they have not come to the conclusion that blasphemy merits death sentence. What is it that we know that they don’t?

Incidentally the original 295A introduced in British era did just that; it did not give death sentence but enough punishment to create deterrence. Isn’t the solution simply to go back to pre-Zia era laws?

NO, let me give you an example, the west give a life sentence for maximum penalty, the terrorist who killed hundreds of norwagians will only get 25 year maximum sentence and then will be released

similarly cutting one's hands after trying to steal will make sure, the others will be discouraged from doing bad acts

after revolution, iran made maximum penalty for crime, the criminals were even punished to death but moving a bulldozer over the criminal, so the crime rate declined drastically

money is not the only useful to punish some guy, taking away some dear to him/her is the only way, in blasphemy its the life
 
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How would that help spreading the message of Islam , if we were to kill every one who insult Prophet (PBUH) .. we all know the stories what actions he took when he was insulted by the kuffar of Makkah when Islam was at its very intial stages, he was called names + there are numerous stories of people who threw stones and animal waste whilst Prophet (PBUH) was praying etc etc .. he pardoned them all infact made sure they are looked after. Thats what helped Islam spread like a wild fire in Arabia .. Prophet (PBUH) lead by character .. why cant we be tolerant and ignore or be patient towards any one who insults. Sir G kisi ki zuban nahi band kar saktay its just that they are ill-informed ... by killing or suporting the death of any one who directly or indirectly insults Prophet PBUH or Islam or his companions we are leaving a very bad impression to non-beleivers , infact these news hurt Islam more than any thing else. There are people who twisted Ahadis to serve their interests , there are no such commands in Quran as well
Mr for your kind information they are around 10 people who were killed in Madinah for blashmey on the orders of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW
 
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i believe Islam is as peaceful a religion as any.

it has the most loyal followers but the the most corrupt leaders who mislead loyal muslims in the name of religion.

these leaders are the true blasphemers who portray the life of Prophet Mohammad wrongfully in front of muslims.
 
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HHHH now non muslims will tell us to take the guiding of islam from scholars accepted by them

islam is a peacefull religion and it also call for us to defend ourselves and our religion,our Prophet pbuh is our religious symbol

TARIQ
 
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Mr for your kind information they are around 10 people who were killed in Madinah for blashmey on the orders of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW

Mr or Mis or Mrs g.... i couldnt find a link however i did quote where i read , Can you please provide a source for your claims or is it some scholar again ?
 
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HHHH now non muslims will tell us to take the guiding of islam from scholars accepted by them

islam is a peacefull religion and it also call for us to defend ourselves and our religion,our Prophet pbuh is our religious symbol

TARIQ

I am no islamic Scholar nor do i know any.

what i do know is that prophet Mohammad must have been GREAT person. because only a great person can have so many followers and only a GREAT persons message can travel across centuries.

And a GREAT person in my opinion cannot say anything which is against common sense and morality and humanity.
 
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