Man claims to be the Mahdi live on Peace TV !!!

[Solomon2]

Jinnah NEVER once claimed he was a Secularist... Secularism is in direct opposition to Islamic teachings, as it takes away religion from the government, something which Jinnah opposed. Jinnah was a great man, and a strong Muslim. He believed in Islamic teachings, an Islamic economy and an Islamic way of running the country! This is one of the furthest things away from Secularism.

...I shall watch with keenness the work of your Research Organization in evolving banking practices compatible with Islamic ideas of social and economic life. The economic system of the West has created almost insoluble problems for humanity and to many of us it appears that only a miracle can save it from disaster...The adoption of Western economic theory and practice will not help us in achieving our goal of creating a happy and contended people. We must work our destiny in our own way and present to the world an economic system based on true Islamic concept of equality of manhood and social justice.

Far from proving that Jinnah envisioned an Islamic republic, I perceive from these quotes that Jinnah had in mind a "cafeteria"-type approach to the religion: "I'll take a little of this if it tastes good and a little of that with some sauce on the side."

He wanted a republic for Muslims, not a Muslim state. The more I read about him the more I think about how horrified he would be at what Pakistan has become. Though I wonder if he would be more upset at the corruption of government officials or the emptiness of so many citizens who choose to blindly enslave themselves to inflexible religious practice rather than participation in crafting good governance.

 

[kugga]

Dont waste your time. these fitnas will remain till end to try the patience. We have seen that people are even trying to prove something which is not even there.


One day they will even try to jump in to prove that Hindus are Muslims

basically em utilizing my time in a debate that might have been wasted if I would have used this time in watching TV....

 

[forcetrip]

Like you cant build a car without the right tools. You cannot grasp the concept of Faith without common sense. We should have a world wide ban on people trying to build cars with their bare hands.

 

[Ahmad]

i think he should have been given a chance to explain why he thinks he is mahdi.

 

[Xtremeownage]

Some stupid video and people have started debating if Pakistan was meant to be an Islamic state or not.

If Pakistan was meant to be an Islamic state then tell me why did the religious leaders of India such as Maududi say this:



Jinnah never envisioned an Islamic state, but rather a liberal democratic Muslim nation. Look at what Jinnah said a number of times.

Is Maududi a Prophet? No! Is Maududi a Caliph? No! Is Maududi an infallible religious scholar? No! Does he have a Islamic authority? No!

So how can you post his views, and expect it to be the views of Islam? Ridiculous!

There were many religious leaders who supported Pakistan and would die for this nation! Many of these scholars were much more popular than Maududi. Why do you neglect them, and post the opinion of some random religious leader who probably has a following of a few hundred or few thousand people at most.

Also, Jinnah's quotes in no way contradicted the values that would make up an Islamic state... The safety of minorities is taught by Islam... Tolerance, love, coexistance, peace, dialogue, mercy, and compassion are all values promoted by Islam, and would be implemented in an Islamic state.

You do not even know what an Islamic state is!

If you look at the early Caliphs, they ruled properly with justice, honour, truthfulness, righteousness, and dignity!

 

[TechLahore]

He used his freedom of speech to make his declaration. The speaker used his freedom of speech to shut him up. If any blasphemy law would've been used and this guy was punished or dragged to jail, only Islam would've been the loser and this guy would've become a martyr.

Freedom, always works.

Not only that, but the guy is obviously mentally unstable to do what he just did. His response to the question about whether he spoke Arabic was itself indicative of how disbalanced he was... he started reciting the one Surah that every 5 year old muslim child is taught.

If you apply blasphemy laws to a person like this, you end up imprisoning or harming a mentally unstable person. What's the point of that. Instead of abusing this unfortunate person, it's better to just ignore and move on.

 

[Frankenstein]

And I am a Superman, push me off the cliff and you will see my fly

 

[Solomon2]

If you apply blasphemy laws to a person like this, you end up imprisoning or harming a mentally unstable person. What's the point of that. Instead of abusing this unfortunate person, it's better to just ignore and move on.

Why keep the blasphemy laws at all, then? If Pakistan didn't have them on its books, then this guy would just be a crank in the street, yes?

 

[sparklingway]

Why keep the blasphemy laws at all, then? If Pakistan didn't have them on its books, then this guy would just be a crank in the street, yes?

You have been long enough here to recognize that most rational Pakistanis do not support the Blasphemy Laws and call for repealing them.

 

[Solomon2]

You have been long enough here to recognize that most rational Pakistanis do not support the Blasphemy Laws and call for repealing them.

Au contraire, a slim majority wish to keep or modify them: link

 

[Xtremeownage]

Conversely, I ask you what proof do you have that this man is not Imam Mehndi?

Because he does not meet one of the signs of the Imam Mahdi (AS).

One of signs as described by the person talking is that he will be able to speak fluent Arabic.

 

[Sudesh Lahri]

Ok if a fluent Arabic speaking person claims he is Mehndi, then what will be your take on this?

 

[sparklingway]

I've had to delete entire pages. The first two pages went without any offenses or attack on beliefs.

There shall be no more discussion on Sharia, Faith, the character of any religious figure or any other offensive post.

Any insulting posts will result in suspensions.

 

[Xtremeownage]

Ok if a fluent Arabic speaking person claims he is Mehndi, then what will be your take on this?

He would have to meet all of the signs and prove his worth (There are a bunch). Trust me, when the Imam Al Mahdi (AS) will come, it will be clear!

 

[Solomon2]

My point, Xtremeownage, is that eventually you reach a point where scholars differ on interpretation. Such disputes may be in good faith, but I don't see that Pakistan's blasphemy laws recognize this as an excuse, for in them blasphemy is in the eyes of the person offended, not the person offending. Don't you think that is a recipe for unjust persecution and, eventually, violent conflict between different groups?