Made in India Vehicles

[takeiteasy]

It's almost 3 years after I sold out Vista quadrajet(fiat multijet 1.3). It was a fantastic car spacious and a people carrier although handling is mediocre. The experience taught me, build quality, precision of parts and the minimum tolerance level to accept for assembly line are where Tata failed miserably. 60% parts tolerance is what Tata allowed? (As per Concorde Service guy) This means for every visit you'll be replacing some parts or another. I've got even turbo replaced for free.

For a Japanese car - What you gets assembled stays together as one piece - will not have to be replaced even after 5 years of hard use. No underbody rusting (we're in coastal region) or the vehicle shows ageing in just 2-3 years of use - which Tata and Mahindra vehicles surely shows. I don't know whether their build quality or manufacturing practices have improved in just 3 years. The cars Tata makes are good, spacious and the FE is also better. But, manufacturing process is not proper. Ancillary manufacturers are also to be blamed, but when they're asked to low down prices what will they do? - compromise on quality. Still, Tata is a taxi market car manufacturer. People expects reliability in developing countries even if the price is slightly higher. That's precisely the reason why Toyota Innova, a Thailand design, not even a original Toyota Japan product, is a big hit in India just because of the assembling quality and reliability. Maruti, with it's tin foil metal thickness also succeed because of good manufacturing, a trait of Japanese cars.

While, with Motorcycle manufactures, quality seems almost consistent although Bajaj was poor quality with respect to engine life and all. Don't know how it is now. TVS is way good in manufacturing, but not so popular up in the north, it seems.

 

[patentneer]

I like this design. It'd be interesting to know what trim level these pictures show. With the nice instrumentation it could be upper-end trim.

At some point - Tata should start exports to Brazil/Russia/rest of Asia by,

1. Sorting out the reliability of transmissions/engine components (Koreans use Japanese transmissions in some of their top end cars).
2. Start with a basic model a bit bigger like the i30/Elantra (Corolla size). Hyundai started with the pony/excel in the late 1980's exported to the US. Story here.
3. Hiring a European designer (the Koreans got Audi's ex-designer) to sort out a unified design theme across models.
4. Every company has to start somewhere. Start exports with a price-leader basic model to Brazil, South America, South Africa, Australia, East Africa and Russia to test the markets.

Mahindra was supposed to intro a small car or SUV in the US but they backed off. Their mini pickup and of course farm tractors sell here pretty well but the cars are yet a no-show. I think Mahindra (and maybe Tata as well) are waiting for the Chinese (Shanghai General Motors, Dongfeng, FAW, and Chang’an) to make a move in the US market. But other markets are ripe of being marketing guinea-pigs to sort out reliability issues.

Beware however that you're dealing with stiff competition. Like Chinese 2nd tier manufacturers (Namely Chery) with models like the Tiggo (below) which checks every styling que checkbox like in advanced markets like the US. Price maybe the only saving grace which will also be an uphill battle.

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@bilal, I like your insightful posts.

I was also a big fan of exports-exports-exports.

Except, presently the Indian market sucks up models at Global sales standards. I checked, a hit model in the US, German or Brazil markets racks up the same numbers as an analogous hit model in India alone. Re: Indian Co.'s, certainly they'd think why give up a good thing.

If I was an Indian Co., I'd also focus on hockey-stick growth home market with all my advantages then go Globe trotting, cracking miniscule, hyper-competitive and saturated markets. And the 'hood ... say I make it @home, I need not look any further then to the r8 @ Indonesia and left @ Pakistan's markets. Further, Bangladesh, Iran, the -stans and ... hehe ... the REAL BIGGIE ... China !

Global biggies are tasting success with pure-play made 4 India platforms and then leveraging that eco-system to launch in Global micro-markets and book profits from the arbitrage thereof. Word is, if you 'make' it in the Indian market, the world's' your oyster.

 

[gslv mk3]

The tractors & UTVs Mahindra makes in the US are simply droolworthy

Mahindra mPACT XTV

 

[Water Car Engineer]

TATA Xenon for firefighters in Europe

IAF Xenon

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Mahindra KUV100 Compact SUV to be released

 

[Water Car Engineer]

 

[Max Pain]

there are two things that always impress me about India, one is the IT industry and the other is the automobile Industry and the Indian bikes sure are amazing,
as a bike lover it so makes me wanna drive the good bikes present there.
you guys have a so many options to choose from

 

[Water Car Engineer]

there are two things that always impress me about India, one is the IT industry and the other is the automobile Industry and the Indian bikes sure are amazing,
as a bike lover it so makes me wanna drive the good bikes present there.
you guys have a so many options to choose from

Recently, the auto industry have been putting out decent designs. These guys are also entering the defence industry as well, as that sector in being liberalized. You'll see more from them in the defence field soon.

 

[Max Pain]

yeah i heard Indian Army is using Mahindra Trucks.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

yeah i heard Indian Army is using Mahindra Trucks.

They're gong further into front line vehicles like IFVs and tanks.

Trucks have been there for a long time.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

there are two things that always impress me about India, one is the IT industry and the other is the automobile Industry and the Indian bikes sure are amazing,
as a bike lover it so makes me wanna drive the good bikes present there.
you guys have a so many options to choose from

You just should convince your Govt. to allow import of Indian bikes. Since they can be just transported across the land border, they will be substantially cheaper and thus more affordable.
Do check out the other thread about the "turnaround in the fortunes of the Royal Enfield Bullets"; I have offered to @Icarus that I will consider exporting them to Pakistan. Do you wish to pre-order one of them?

yeah i heard Indian Army is using Mahindra Trucks.

Mahindra has a monopoly of the Indian Armed Forces 4x4 Jeeps. For trucks, their presence is smaller, in that sector Ashok Leyland and Tata are bigger players, while for heavier and more specialised trucks it is Tatra which is the leader.

 

[Force Awakens]

Mahindra Suvs are better.

 

[Icarus]

You just should convince your Govt. to allow import of Indian bikes. Since they can be just transported across the land border, they will be substantially cheaper and thus more affordable.
Do check out the other thread about the "turnaround in the fortunes of the Royal Enfield Bullets"; I have offered to @Icarus that I will consider exporting them to Pakistan. Do you wish to pre-order one of them?

Told you they would sell like hot cakes here!

 

[Max Pain]

You just should convince your Govt. to allow import of Indian bikes. Since they can be just transported across the land border, they will be substantially cheaper and thus more affordable.
Do check out the other thread about the "turnaround in the fortunes of the Royal Enfield Bullets"; I have offered to @Icarus that I will consider exporting them to Pakistan. Do you wish to pre-order one of them?



Mahindra has a monopoly of the Indian Armed Forces 4x4 Jeeps. For trucks, their presence is smaller, in that sector Ashok Leyland and Tata are bigger players, while for heavier and more specialised trucks it is Tatra which is the leader.

aah I see, as much as id like to see good bikes here, I dont think that would possible unless the issues of animosity is resolved, I find it ironic that the same sworn enemies are often the best friends in Western countries and the moment we reach our respective countries the same bashing continues,

I dont know much about the monopoly of Mahindra,so thats news for me,

Lastly im not that big of a Fan of Enfield, my dad would love it tho,
Id rather love to drive a pulsar 200,

I have a Suzuki 150 here and can you believe it, people actually call it a heavy bike.Makes me feel sad about the Good stuff we're missing out even in 2016 and most bike lovers here dont even think of a bike heavier than a 150 cc one,
Also I got this bike for like 1 lak 22 thousand, with that price a much better bike can be bought in India. so we really need to improve in that sector.

They're gong further into front line vehicles like IFVs and tanks.

Trucks have been there for a long time.

I see, nice.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

aah I see, as much as id like to see good bikes here, I dont think that would possible unless the issues of animosity is resolved, I find it ironic that the same sworn enemies are often the best friends in Western countries and the moment we reach our respective countries the same bashing continues,

I dont know much about the monopoly of Mahindra,so thats news for me,

Lastly im not that big of a Fan of Enfield, my dad would love it tho,
Id rather love to drive a pulsar 200,

I have a Suzuki 150 here and can you believe it, people actually call it a heavy bike.Makes me feel sad about the Good stuff we're missing out even in 2016 and most bike lovers here dont even think of a bike heavier than a 150 cc one,
Also I got this bike for like 1 lak 22 thousand, with that price a much better bike can be bought in India. so we really need to improve in that sector.


I see, nice.

I agree with what you say, and it is a real pity according to me.

About your choice of Pulsar, I'd just like to caution you about that series.... they are very attractively priced and have fancy 'doodahs' but are not built to last; esp the engines. One can pay more and buy Yamahas and Hondas (both made in India) for a better overall experience. Then there are two home-grown Indian brands Hero and TVS which make more reliable bikes and are nearly as good as the Japanese brands. Pulsar is more style than substance, in my opinion; though at a very attractive price band, in the short run.