Lies My History Teacher Told Me

[gambit]

It is a bit different between bombing someone in war til they are submitted than putting people in gas chamber because they are a particular race or religion.

If the first cannot be justified, then so do any bombing campaign, then what is the need or air force? Armed Force? and then finally war?

It is what I said back on page one. If the US did it, then it can NEVER be justifiable. The US will ALWAYS be on wrong.

 

[jhungary]

How much more different it is to kill someone with a bullet than putting someone in gas chambers (lets accept for a while that this claim of gassing tens of thousands in limited gas chambers is correct)? Native Americans? Rings some bells? Until late 60s, blacks were third class citizens and segregated based on race...

The reason is the reason to kill, you can put a bullet to all those Jews head but does that change the nature of the killing? Killing for war is one thing, killing because of the war is also one thing, killing just because they don't look right on your book is another.

And let me give you some tips about the other points you putting out.You do know I have Amerindian blood right? Don't talk about something you don't actually understand. Do you even know there were Indian Tribe fight alongside with the American during Mexican American war or even during Indian War?

And what do black have to do with war with America? I don't recall we fought the black in any war.

 

[Slav Defence]

If you do not criticize US, then you are a slave to the white Americans, according to the forum's resident 'academician'.


Oh...Yes...Many of you do have such care. The level of racism I received from your fellow Pakistanis were impressive when I first joined. First because I was perceived a typical redneck American, then when it came out I was a naturalized US citizen, the racist insults got really really impressive. Your fellow Pakistanis must have trolled stormfront to get them.

Sorry for being off topic @mods

My friend,I understand your problem here.When I was at my space forums,I had same views about Americans,but I still don't believe that in real life,I would be having such interaction as internet is mostly visited by people who seek some fun and to ease frustration as well.See,it is in your hand to see glass as half full or half empty.You complain of some insane racist trolls but you don't see the brighter aspect that you were promoted to professional upon disclosure of being professional.Did we humiliated you?no!.If we were supposed to be that much unhappy with you people winning or neutralizing efforts then you wouldn't be appreciated and promoted in the first place.Did you know me in real life?or ever have you interacted with Irfan Bhai in real life?no!.
Americans,oh sorry..few Americans are not the only victims..look at us..our forum,our rules,our authority,yet still we hear Indian and you people's rant every day.But since we seek positive aspect of every side like Irfan Bhai did,therefore feeling victim here would not be good.Feel like home and enjoy your stay.
EDIT: Ask @jhungary that how much I have supported him,or other mods and team.
regards

 

[gambit]

How much more different it is to kill someone with a bullet than putting someone in gas chambers (lets accept for a while that this claim of gassing tens of thousands in limited gas chambers is correct)? Native Americans? Rings some bells? Until late 60s, blacks were third class citizens and segregated based on race...

And you call yourself an 'academician' ?

There is a great difference in killing with a bullet, let alone trying to differentiate between a bullet and the gas chamber.

If I kill with a bullet in the heat of combat, it would be acceptable. But if I force someone to kneel then shoot him, it would be an execution and possible prosecutable under law.

 

[Aepsilons]

History is always written by the victor, and the victors' version is always the truth.

Always keep these 2 things in mind.

Indeed, my friend.

 

[VCheng]

It is what I said back on page one. If the US did it, then it can NEVER be justifiable. The US will ALWAYS be on wrong.

Of course, it is okay to use Russian engines in the JF-17 to bomb in FATA, and ignore what the Russians did to the Afghans in the 80s. Or the rape of Nanking, or any number of other war incidents. Oh wait, different topic, but it would show the innate hypocrisy of those criticizing war decisions made several decades before that.

Back on topic, why did Japan chose to attack first, and then fail to defeat USA? It paid the price for its own follies.at that time. Now Japan and USA are friends again, so why should other people keep wringing their undergarments in vain every damn year?

 

[gambit]

Sorry for being off topic @mods

My friend,I understand your problem here.When I was at my space forums,I had same views about Americans,but I still don't believe that in real life,I would be having such interaction as internet is mostly visit by people who seek some fun and to ease frustration as well.See,it is in your hand to see glass as half full or half empty.You complain of some insane racist trolls but you don't see the brighter aspect that you were promoted to professional upon disclosure of being professional.Did we humiliated you?no!.If we were supposed to be that much unhappy with you people winning or neutralizing so efforts then you wouldn't be appreciated and promoted in the first place.Did you know me in real life?or ever have you interacted with Irfan Bhai in real life?no!.
Americans,oh sorry..few Americans are not the only victims..look at us..our forum,our rules,our authority,yet still we hear Indian and you people's rant every day.But since we seek positive aspect of every side like Irfan Bhai did,therefore feeling victim here would not be good.Feel like home and enjoy your stay.
EDIT: Ask @jhungary that how much I have supported him,or other mods and team.
regards

Am not talking about the admin staff. I have praised them for not being like the Iranians. What I was talking about was the ordinary forum Pakistani members

 

[jhungary]

It is what I said back on page one. If the US did it, then it can NEVER be justifiable. The US will ALWAYS be on wrong.

lol I sometime wonder why people have a kind of sane mind would want to go down that road.

Again, it's okay for you to blame America or any country for that matter, but sometime when your own country is suffering blindly blame America will not solve your problem. The only change is that you will still be hating America, and you are much poorer now then before...

 

[Spring Onion]

It is a bit different between bombing someone in war til they are submitted than putting people in gas chamber because they are a particular race or religion.

If the first cannot be justified, then so do any bombing campaign, then what is the need or air force? Armed Force? and then finally war?

he considered that particular race a security threat just like you considered Japanese a security threat to US during the war if you did not annihilate them by testing bombs on them.

at the end of the day both you and he are war criminals

 

[gambit]

lol I sometime wonder why people have a kind of sane mind would want to go down that road.

Again, it's okay for you to blame America or any country for that matter, but sometime when your own country is suffering blindly blame America will not solve your problem. The only change is that you will still be hating America, and you are much poorer now then before...

They enjoy that intellectual lollipop, my friend. They have nothing else.

 

[syedali73]

And let me give you some tips about the other points you putting out.You do know I have Amerindian blood right? Don't talk about something you don't actually understand. Do you even know there were Indian Tribe fight alongside with the American during Mexican American war or even during Indian War?

And what do black have to do with war with America? I don't recall we fought the black in any war.

Please do not try to intimidate me by telling about your blood for I have no way to confirm whether your are bluffing or not nor does it give any more legitimacy to your words. Secondly, is it a common trait among Americans to deny other's knowledge as if they themselves are educated and others know nothing? In-fact, Americans are found to be least knowledgeable people to a level where most do not even know which country is located in which continent. I don't know nothing but you know everything about the native Americans? All the books written on them and atrocities committed against them by the western settlers are fake because you are saying so? The fact that the natives are restricted to certain reservations in their own lands is enough to debunk your acclaimed knowledge pertaining to them, which in-fact is nothing but a hugely lame and distasteful attempt to misguide the world.

And why I brought up the issue of native Americans and blacks ? because the Americans should be the last to talk about racism for they themselves are well-documented racists.

And you call yourself an 'academician' ?
There is a great difference in killing with a bullet, let alone trying to differentiate between a bullet and the gas chamber.
If I kill with a bullet in the heat of combat, it would be acceptable. But if I force someone to kneel then shoot him, it would be an execution and possible prosecutable under law.

And you call yourself a Professional? I was referring to ethnic cleansing and racial crimes against non-whites in Americas by the Western settlers.

 

[gambit]

he considered that particular race a security threat just like you considered Japanese a security threat to US during the war if you did not annihilate them by testing bombs on them.

at the end of the day both you and he are war criminals

The US built the B-29 and the P51 during the war and pretty much tested them on its enemies.

 

[doppelganger]

at the end of the day both you and he are war criminals

Baaji of course they are.

You will not find another nation on earth besides the US that considers what they did right and defensible.

Lets not be fooled by political compulsions.

Fact is might makes right.

I'm with the Japanese youth of today. While the Germans are on their merry way, leading Europe, the Japanese still are made to feel ashamed by the Americans and the Chinese.

They have nothing to be ashamed about. Nothing to atone for. And owe nobody nothing in terms of any further reparations.

 

[gambit]

Please do not try to intimidate me by telling about your blood for I have no way to confirm whether your are bluffing or not nor does it give any more legitimacy to your words. Secondly, is it a common trait among Americans to deny other's knowledge as if they themselves are educated and others know nothing? In-fact, Americans are found to be least knowledgeable people to a level where most do not even know which country is located in which continent. I don't know nothing but you know everything about the native Americans? All the books written on them and atrocities committed against them by the western settlers are fake because you are saying so? The fact that the natives are restricted to certain reservations in their own lands is enough to debunk your acclaimed knowledge pertaining to them, which in-fact is nothing but a hugely lame and distasteful attempt to misguide the world.

The Amerinds are not restricted to the reservations. They are free to live and work anywhere in the US. In fact, outside the reservations, their status automatically grant them favorable conditions in both private and government employ. The fact that you claimed such restriction to be fact renders your argument worthless.

 

[jhungary]

he considered that particular race a security threat just like you considered Japanese a security threat to US during the war if you did not annihilate them by testing bombs on them.

at the end of the day both you and he are war criminals

Lol, how do we see Japanese as a threat? When they attacked us first?

Also, if you say we try to "Annihilate" them by testing our bomb at them, that mean we know for sure the bomb can annihilate them, then why would we "test" our bomb at them?

What Hilter considered as a security risk is his problem, that does not necessarily reflecting the truth, do you even know he consider social outcast and people with mental disorder as a security threat of his Aryan race, does that mean those in special need will come up to me and shank me out of a sudden? If you think that is true, then you can justify the social outcast and mental feeble is a threat