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LCA Tejas Vs JF-17: Lack of Clarity on Participation of JF-17 cast doubts on Big fight

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F22 performed right before Tejas at Bahrain. Now stop with these silly comments.

Listen son, Americans didnt show up in last Paris Air show, would that make it any less popular? When you are talking about air shows, there are only two which stand out, Farnborough and Paris. JF-17 participated in both. Been there done that. I swear, I never heard of Bahrain Air show before reading all this non sense about Jf-17 Vs Tejas in Bahrain, mainly from Indian media sources.

You are feeling excited because its the first time your Tejas is flying outside India in a so called air show. I would be the same if I was you. But for us, its a routine matter now with our JF-17.
 
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IAF ASR are far above the ASR for JF 17.

So, I suppose you would have the detailed ASR of JFT before making this claim ... even if you don't though ... how is it that I've seen 3-4 news articles from the Indian media comparing the two platforms ...

That would mean that either the LCA is so pathetic of a platform that it is now being compared with an aircraft that according to our Indian friends is half baked and has to conform to lower ASR standards .... or maybe JFT outperformed its expectations that it is now being compared with an aircraft with an ASR that has more steeper requirements compared to its own ....

You pick .. :enjoy:
 
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Why would I? Have you ever accepted reality? Be it about Pak becoming a CERN member or JF developer.

Of course.I stated in previous threads that Pakistan was not a member of the CERN just because the Pakistanis were talking about it. There was no chatter about it on any of the usual mediums. However when the official announcement was made, I presented my congratulations.

You keep changing the subject, JF-17 has 0 significant Pakistani design contribution, yes?
 
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So, I suppose you would have the detailed ASR of JFT before making this claim ... even if you don't though ... how is it that I've seen 3-4 news articles from the Indian media comparing the two platforms ...

That would mean that either the LCA is so pathetic of a platform that it is now being compared with an aircraft that according to our Indian friends is half baked and has to conform to lower ASR standards .... or maybe JFT outperformed its expectations that it is now being compared with an aircraft with an ASR that has more steeper requirements compared to its own ....

You pick .. :enjoy:

Indian media is dumb. Everybody knows that. So is Pakistani media for that matter. So obviously Indian media will say dumb things like LCA is not better and Pak media will say dumb things JF 17 is better.
 
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Let me asnwer this in hope of a smilar reply from you. Here is a Summarised Version of What all is Indian :

Tejas design

Designed as a single-engine tactical fighter, the Tejas has a compound delta-wing planform to achieve weight reductions.

"India's first modern light combat aircraft, Tejas, is being built by HAL."
The highly adapted wing design, combined with a blended-wing body, delivers high-performance and manoeuvrability has been improved with built-in aerodynamic instability. The design allows the aircraft to be integrated with guided air-to-surface and anti-ship weapons for multirole and multimission capabilities. The naval variant will have additional features to reduce carrier landing speed and be equipped with an arrestor hook for deck recovery.

The fuselage is thin-walled, integrally stiffened structure, which is designed to sustain internal pressure without stiffener debonding. It features complex shapes and contours and built using integral structures in large scale.

Carbon Carbon Composites

The Tejas employs CFC materials for up to 45% of its airframe, including in the fuselage (doors and skins), wings (skin, spars and ribs), elevons, tailfin, rudder, air brakes and landing gear doors. Composites are used to make an aircraft both lighter and stronger at the same time compared to an all-metal design, and the LCA's percentage employment of CFCs is one of the highest among contemporary aircraft of its class. Apart from making the plane much lighter, there are also fewer joints or rivets, which increases the aircraft's reliability and lowers its susceptibility to structural fatigue cracks

Landing gear

Tejas is equipped with hydraulic retractable tricycle-type landing gear developed by HAL, which envisages two single, inward-retracting main wheels and a steerable twin-wheel forward-retractable nose gear. Titanium half alloy tubes are used for hydraulic power transmission.

Mission Computer

Tejas features an integrated digital avionics suite, configured around the MIL-STD-1553B bus system. The 32-bit mission computer (MC) can perform mission-oriented computations, flight management, reconfiguration / redundancy management and in-flight system self tests.

EW Suite

This EW suite, known as Mayavi, includes a radar warning receiver (RWR), Missile Approach Warning (MAW) and a Laser warning receiver (LWR) system, Infrared & Ultraviolet Missile warning sensors, self-protection jammer, chaff, jaff and flares dispenser, an electronic countermeasures (ECM) suite and a towed radar decoy (TRD). In the interim, the Indian Ministry of Defence has revealed that an unspecified number of EW suites had been purchased from Israel's Elisra for the LCA prototypes.

Digital Avionics Suite

The inputs from the pilot, inertia and air data sensors are transferred to the control surface actuators through the digital flight control computer (DFCC). A ring laser gyro-based (RLG) inertial navigation system (INS) integrated with a global positioning system (GPS) provides navigation and guidance. The electronic warfare suite, comprising electromagnetic and electro-optic receivers and jammers, brings soft-kill capability to the aircraft.

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Fly By Wire

Tejas is equipped with a quadruplex digital fly-by-wire flight control system to ease handling by the pilot. The digital FBW system of the Tejas employs a powerful digital flight control computer (DFCC) comprising four computing channels, each with its own independent power supply and all housed in a single LRU. The DFCC receives signals from a variety of sensors and pilot control stick inputs, and processes these through the appropriate channels to excite and control the elevons, rudder and leading edge slat hydraulic actuators. The DFCC channels are built around 32-bit microprocessors and use a subset of the Ada programming language for software implementation. The computer interfaces with pilot display elements like the MFDs through MIL-STD-1553B multiplex avionics data buses and RS-422 serial links.

Tejas is intentionally made longitudinally unstable to enhance manoeuvrability. The Control laws (CLAW) recover Stability and provide good Handling Qualities to the Pilot. They also provide invariant response with respect to variation in aerodynamics, fuel etc. and facilitate robust performance. The CLAW is carefree and ensures that various aircraft parameters are limited automatically. This enables the pilot to fly the mission without worrying about exceedance of parameters beyond a safe limit.

The NAL's CLAW team completed integration of the flight control laws by themselves, with the FCS software performing flawlessly for over 50 hours of pilot testing on TD-1, resulting in the aircraft being cleared for flight in early 2001. The automatic flight control system (AFCS) has been praised by all test pilots, one of whom remarked that he found the LCA easier to take off in than in a Mirage 2000

The autopilot provides pilot relief functions. This helps the pilot to do more head down activities (especially mission critical activities) without being concerned about the aircraft departing from its flight path. The autopilot is also equipped with advanced features like auto level (which helps the pilot recover the aircraft if he gets disoriented and also during night flying), safe altitude recovery (which automatically pulls up the aircraft if it comes too close to the ground) and navigation modes (which steer the aircraft automatically along a pre-determined flight path).

Multi Mode Radar

The coherent pulse-Doppler Multi Mode Radar is designed to operate equally effectively in the Air to Air and Air to Surface domains. Jointly developed as an Indian – Israeli venture, it features multi-target Air to Air Track, Hi Resolution Synthetic Aperture Mapping and specialised Air to Sea modes. The radar facilitates all weather employment of a variety of Air to Air and Air to Surface Weaponry, and is the primary targeting sensor on the Tejas.

ALL ARE PURELY INDIAN.

Plus India has Fully Developed

- Astra BVR
- Uttam AESA
- LCA Trainer

More over LCA is Also FULLY Developed for naval Version. Also, the Kaveri Engine is Actually being used for Naval and UAV applications.

Now ANSWER ME. What All is that can be called as Pakistani in JF17 ?

kaveri failed.

Radar=Israeli
Desgin=Dassault
Weapons=imported
Ejection seat = Imported
IFR Prob=Imported
Engine=Imported

I did not ask for specs merely asked for indigenous parts. Rest about JF-17 you have been answered several times in this thread and has been asked to visit particular thread as well.
 
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kaveri failed.

Radar=Israeli
Desgin=Dassault
Weapons=imported
Ejection seat = Imported
IFR Prob=Imported
Engine=Imported

I did not ask for specs merely asked for indigenous parts. Rest about JF-17 you have been answered several times in this thread and has been asked to visit particular thread as well.

The Parts I mentioned ARE ALL 100% Indian Research and Manufacture. Period.
I can name the Exact DRDO Labs and Research Papers.

Keep Patriotism Aside , Infact, R&D in Defence is really making pace at University Level in India.
My Friend is actually working on this : http://iitbhu.ac.in/news/advt/mst_srf_jrf_aks_Re_Ad.pdf

Well, keeping Failed Tejas Aside.

Plz tell me Wht ALL IS PAKISTANI in the "Successful" Thunder ? Dont Skip The Query.
 
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The Parts I mentioned ARE ALL 100% Indian Research and Manufacture. Period.
I can name the Exact DRDO Labs and Research Papers.

Infact, My Friend is actually working on this : http://iitbhu.ac.in/news/advt/mst_srf_jrf_aks_Re_Ad.pdf

Well, keeping Failed Tejas Aside.

Plz tell me Wht ALL IS PAKISTANI in the "Successful" Thunder ? Dont Skip The Query.

They keep changing the subject to the Tejas/Su 30 MKI etc. That's a different topic for a different thread.
 
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You guys are funny... you will have issues even if Tejas gets inducted... the you will say... we have 100 JF 17... how many Tejas does IAF

Do you even read... did you see that I have 3000 sorties mentioned .... or are you so blinded by hatred... that it just does not matter.

1938 Flying Hours have be clocked so far... why so bitter brother?

JF-17 had completed over 10,000 sorties back in 2011! Add to that the total number of sorties, better yet track the total air time of JF-17 Jets and perhaps only then you can even begin to comprehend how immature your comparison of 3000 sorties for Tejas in 2016 is.
 
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The Parts I mentioned ARE ALL 100% Indian Research and Manufacture. Period.
I can name the Exact DRDO Labs and Research Papers.

Infact, R&D in Defence is really making pace at University Level.
My Friend is actually working on this : http://iitbhu.ac.in/news/advt/mst_srf_jrf_aks_Re_Ad.pdf

Well, keeping Failed Tejas Aside.

Plz tell me Wht ALL IS PAKISTANI in the "Successful" Thunder ? Dont Skip The Query.


I did not mean Tejas as failed.... don't be so desperate but the point is its not fully Indigenous rest about JF-17, did I say it indigenous….

I did not skip the query but asked you to visit proper thread or may be I am not the right person here to reply the same.
 
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I did not mean Tejas as failed.... don't be so desperate but the point is its not fully Indigenous rest about JF-17, did I say it indigenous….

I did not skip the query but asked you to visit proper thread or may be I am not the right person here to reply the same.

I AM ASKING IT VERY STRAIGHT AGAIN.
Plz Tell me , Enlighten Me The EXACT CONTRIBUTION on Pakistan in JF17. be it 1% or 90% , I want the EXACT Parts/technology Pakistani Scientists Worked on.

Thats It. Its a Humble Request for technical Info. Dont Mention Anything but JF17. I want Pure Technical Reply.
 
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Did we claim thunder indigenous no but u do claim tejas indigenous

Tell me exact details of parts u make

Ur official saying they might buy prat whitney engines from USA

and in tejas SUKHOI helped they ran away than u asked dassault they ran away now i heared boeing or lockhead guys are helping u where is DRDO

I see DRDO in just logo and assistance staff
The Parts I mentioned ARE ALL 100% Indian Research and Manufacture. Period.
I can name the Exact DRDO Labs and Research Papers.

Keep Patriotism Aside , Infact, R&D in Defence is really making pace at University Level in India.
My Friend is actually working on this : http://iitbhu.ac.in/news/advt/mst_srf_jrf_aks_Re_Ad.pdf

Well, keeping Failed Tejas Aside.

Plz tell me Wht ALL IS PAKISTANI in the "Successful" Thunder ? Dont Skip The Query.
 
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