LCA Tejas Vs JF-17: Lack of Clarity on Participation of JF-17 cast doubts on Big fight

[Paksanity]

And here we are again! Same BS in every thread!

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Don't take him serious. He's just a sad little troll... Full of shyt & frustration.

LOL I know. But I enjoy playing with these Indian trolls, its good fun to watch them dance on your tunes.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Mate I've been saying this on these forums since I joined it. I have not had an adequate response yet. The closest I got was a mod linking me to a website from the PAC which included some components that they manufacture.

To date, the Su-30MKI has more Indian designed components than the JF-17 has Pakistani.

Must be the reason su-30mki assembled by Hal suffers from issues with its MFDs,blanking HUD,engine burnouts and crashes .. Leading to its grounding and fleet availability of just 40%.

 

[Tipu7]

Teja is what? what did I just read? Eco system!! LOL

This is Nitrogen Cycle in Ecosystem.
Can you see Tejas here?.................. I can't................

 

[kbd-raaf]

Must be the reason su-30mki assembled by Hal suffers from issues with its MFDs,blanking HUD,engine burnouts and crashes .. Leading to its grounding and fleet availability of just 40%.

Let's say what you just said is true. (it's not, but for arguments sake).

You did not respond to my post about the JF-17 having exactly 0 significant Pakistani design.

Teja is what? what did I just read? Eco system!! LOL .

The design eco-system. Anybody who has opened a book beyond the first grade would know that. The supply chain, the component manufacturers, the technical collaborations with universities, the testing labs, etc.

 

[Veritech]

According to someone well informed on another forum, JF-17 was never slated to participate in BIAS. The BIAS officials called up some PAF officials to gauge their interest and the PAF officials replied that they'll look into it. The BIAS organizers saw that as willingness to participate.

Yes that's why PAF which have lot of Money, they gave Half million USD to book slot / security , which is now fortified if failed to participate.

if you have lot of money why crying about money then.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

"FACT" .... I just love how your narrative is "fact" all of a sudden without any proof what so ever ...what subsystems are you speaking of anyways ?? and how do you compare them without even knowing the capability of the ones onboard JFT's ?...

If you want to know "facts"-- then facts as admitted by IAF and CAG are that LCA tejas is overweight -- it has a huge number of short comings that your own CAG has identified ... while you say that I live in "2010" -- the fact is your mentioning numbers like 200 ... which btw is enough to ignore your claims altogether ... as the "plan" is to have 4 production models by march, 2016 ...

Coming to JFT -- I like how you continue to call "JFT" as "half baked" -- While IAF is going for a limited order of "full baked" LCA tejas ... which admittedly doesn't even fullfill IAF's own ASR (air staff requirement) -- and to think that you were the one talking about ... "myopic bias"...

IAF ASR are far above the ASR for JF 17.

 

[Apoorv]

So which indigenous component does Tejas installed with?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

I would say let the kids play and learn the trade of the game before they can rub shoulders with big boys. See you in Farnborough and Paris, if you decide to turn up where it matter. What we say in Urdu "Jungle main moor nacha, kis nay dekha?" , Bahrain air show!! LOL. I would be personally annoyed if PAF send JF-17 in every Tom, dick and harry air show and low key event which hardly matter in aviation industry. We have bigger fishes to fry.

 

[Stag112]

Pardon my ignorance, but Bahrain air show!! Really? Do they have such show there of any world recognition? JF-17 have participated and performed in shows like Farnborough, Paris, Shaghai , Dubai so on and so forth. Perhaps Bahrian is for rookies, a first step before moving on to bigger things? It will be step down for JF-17 to perform in rather unknown air show.

F22 performed right before Tejas at Bahrain. Now stop with these silly comments.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Let's say what you just said is true. (it's not, but for arguments sake).

You did not respond to my post about the JF-17 having exactly 0 significant Pakistani design.



The design eco-system. Anybody who has opened a book beyond the first grade would know that. The supply chain, the component manufacturers, the technical collaborations with universities, the testing labs, etc.

Why would I? Have you ever accepted reality? Be it about Pak becoming a CERN member or JF developer.

 

[Veritech]

When PAF know LCA will attend the show, it decide to hold JF17 away from the show because the level of the show is too low.

lol lets see how many shows it can escape like that....... too low or TWO HIGH ? EURO and other Morden planes , where JFT design still metal will make JFT a outdated model.

 

[Chanakyaa]

So which indigenous component does Tejas installed with?

Let me asnwer this in hope of a smilar reply from you. Here is a Summarised Version of What all is Indian :

Tejas design

Designed as a single-engine tactical fighter, the Tejas has a compound delta-wing planform to achieve weight reductions.

"India's first modern light combat aircraft, Tejas, is being built by HAL."
The highly adapted wing design, combined with a blended-wing body, delivers high-performance and manoeuvrability has been improved with built-in aerodynamic instability. The design allows the aircraft to be integrated with guided air-to-surface and anti-ship weapons for multirole and multimission capabilities. The naval variant will have additional features to reduce carrier landing speed and be equipped with an arrestor hook for deck recovery.

The fuselage is thin-walled, integrally stiffened structure, which is designed to sustain internal pressure without stiffener debonding. It features complex shapes and contours and built using integral structures in large scale.

Carbon Carbon Composites

The Tejas employs CFC materials for up to 45% of its airframe, including in the fuselage (doors and skins), wings (skin, spars and ribs), elevons, tailfin, rudder, air brakes and landing gear doors. Composites are used to make an aircraft both lighter and stronger at the same time compared to an all-metal design, and the LCA's percentage employment of CFCs is one of the highest among contemporary aircraft of its class. Apart from making the plane much lighter, there are also fewer joints or rivets, which increases the aircraft's reliability and lowers its susceptibility to structural fatigue cracks

Landing gear

Tejas is equipped with hydraulic retractable tricycle-type landing gear developed by HAL, which envisages two single, inward-retracting main wheels and a steerable twin-wheel forward-retractable nose gear. Titanium half alloy tubes are used for hydraulic power transmission.

Mission Computer

Tejas features an integrated digital avionics suite, configured around the MIL-STD-1553B bus system. The 32-bit mission computer (MC) can perform mission-oriented computations, flight management, reconfiguration / redundancy management and in-flight system self tests.

EW Suite

This EW suite, known as Mayavi, includes a radar warning receiver (RWR), Missile Approach Warning (MAW) and a Laser warning receiver (LWR) system, Infrared & Ultraviolet Missile warning sensors, self-protection jammer, chaff, jaff and flares dispenser, an electronic countermeasures (ECM) suite and a towed radar decoy (TRD). In the interim, the Indian Ministry of Defence has revealed that an unspecified number of EW suites had been purchased from Israel's Elisra for the LCA prototypes.

Digital Avionics Suite

The inputs from the pilot, inertia and air data sensors are transferred to the control surface actuators through the digital flight control computer (DFCC). A ring laser gyro-based (RLG) inertial navigation system (INS) integrated with a global positioning system (GPS) provides navigation and guidance. The electronic warfare suite, comprising electromagnetic and electro-optic receivers and jammers, brings soft-kill capability to the aircraft.

Fly By Wire

Tejas is equipped with a quadruplex digital fly-by-wire flight control system to ease handling by the pilot. The digital FBW system of the Tejas employs a powerful digital flight control computer (DFCC) comprising four computing channels, each with its own independent power supply and all housed in a single LRU. The DFCC receives signals from a variety of sensors and pilot control stick inputs, and processes these through the appropriate channels to excite and control the elevons, rudder and leading edge slat hydraulic actuators. The DFCC channels are built around 32-bit microprocessors and use a subset of the Ada programming language for software implementation. The computer interfaces with pilot display elements like the MFDs through MIL-STD-1553B multiplex avionics data buses and RS-422 serial links.

Tejas is intentionally made longitudinally unstable to enhance manoeuvrability. The Control laws (CLAW) recover Stability and provide good Handling Qualities to the Pilot. They also provide invariant response with respect to variation in aerodynamics, fuel etc. and facilitate robust performance. The CLAW is carefree and ensures that various aircraft parameters are limited automatically. This enables the pilot to fly the mission without worrying about exceedance of parameters beyond a safe limit.

The NAL's CLAW team completed integration of the flight control laws by themselves, with the FCS software performing flawlessly for over 50 hours of pilot testing on TD-1, resulting in the aircraft being cleared for flight in early 2001. The automatic flight control system (AFCS) has been praised by all test pilots, one of whom remarked that he found the LCA easier to take off in than in a Mirage 2000

The autopilot provides pilot relief functions. This helps the pilot to do more head down activities (especially mission critical activities) without being concerned about the aircraft departing from its flight path. The autopilot is also equipped with advanced features like auto level (which helps the pilot recover the aircraft if he gets disoriented and also during night flying), safe altitude recovery (which automatically pulls up the aircraft if it comes too close to the ground) and navigation modes (which steer the aircraft automatically along a pre-determined flight path).

Multi Mode Radar

The coherent pulse-Doppler Multi Mode Radar is designed to operate equally effectively in the Air to Air and Air to Surface domains. Jointly developed as an Indian – Israeli venture, it features multi-target Air to Air Track, Hi Resolution Synthetic Aperture Mapping and specialised Air to Sea modes. The radar facilitates all weather employment of a variety of Air to Air and Air to Surface Weaponry, and is the primary targeting sensor on the Tejas.

ALL ARE PURELY INDIAN.

Plus India has Fully Developed

- Astra BVR
- Uttam AESA
- LCA Trainer

More over LCA is Also FULLY Developed for naval Version. Also, the Kaveri Engine is Actually being used for Naval and UAV applications.

Now ANSWER ME. What All is that can be called as Pakistani in JF17 ?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

lol lets see how many shows it can escape like that....... too low or TWO HIGH ? EURO and other Morden planes , where JFT design still metal will make JFT a outdated model.

Turkey,England,France,China,Dubai etc...

Give your dumbness some rest.

 

[Chanakyaa]

There is a whole section dedicated to JF... Why don't you post there? Coz you know you sip be owned like always.

This is the PERMANENT LINE when asked about JF17. Mention it here. IF YOU KNOW.
I want a pure, technical answer.