LCA a product of western companies, engineers, and consultants.

[DESERT FIGHTER]

@Myth_buster_1 Another excellent thread ... Loved your thread on "indigenous dhruv"... But than you also opened a can of worms...

 

[Arsalan mehmud]

Nobody is going to buy LCA crap... and JF-17 has a great export future...

 

[deckingraj]

Nobody is going to buy LCA crap... and JF-17 has a great export future...

Well our Airforce will..they love crap anyways......and good luck with Jf17 export...Sri Lanka just signed for 8...so congrats....

 

[Water Car Engineer]

That guy is Vladimir Ivanovic, one of the people who participated in development of Yugoslav M84. They even made a joke on that picture, writing: "Serbian new tank Vihor 2". Vihor was a new Yugoslav tank in development, before the breakup of Yugoslavia. He and many other people from Yugoslavia worked on tenk development in India, China, Pakistan, Iran...

Vihor Tank Prototype??

Well it makes total sense why he was working on Al Khalid now.

 

[knight11]

The irony is India seeks help from Sweden for its aircraft production be it AEW helicopter or fighter jet.

Just imagine LCA picture would be like.... Indian flag would not even appear on the wheel.

I am not expert in photoshop, can you draw one and post it for our reference.
For your help

Whats indian in Tejas

Ya I agree with you completely its all improted
MMR - Israeli
Engine - USA
BVR - Israeli (Derby)
WVR- Israeli (Python 5)
misc. items imported

Ejection Kit - UK
Quartz nose - UK (Cobham)
Retracting Ariel fuel nozzle - UK (Cobham)
ASPJ - EL/L-8222/ ELT-568 Virgilus - Israeli/EADS Cassadian
MILDS F - EADS/Cassadian - laser warning receiver-cum-missile approach warning system


So whats Indian

Airframe build - indian
Air Intake - Indian
CFC structure - TAML (tata advance material ltd)
The open-architecture integrated defensive aids suite (IDAS) Mayavi
Operational Data link (ODL) - Indian (DARE)
Mission Computer - Indian (HAL)
EW Suite - Indian (IDAS)
RAM-1701AS radio altimeter
TACAN-2901AJ and DME-2950A tactical air navigation system combined with the ANS-1100A VOL/ILS marker
CIT-4000A Mk12 IFF transponder CABS
COM-1150A UHF standby comms radio
HADF - Siva Pod
SDR-2010 SoftNET four-channel VHF/UHF and L-band radio
Bheem-EU brake control/engine/electrical monitoring system INDIAN
Sigma-95N ring laser gyro-based inertial navigation system coupled to a GPS receiver - SAGEM
RWR - Indian Tarang MK 2/3 DARE
Glass Cockpit - Indian
Training Software - Indian
On board oxygen generator - Indian (L&T)
Pilot G-Suit - Indian
FBW - Indian
Landing Gear - Indian
Tyre - Indian (MRF)

cant see the image lad

Strange, I can very well see the pic, its tinypic.com upload. Right click on the space of the image and open in new tab.

 

[atomix]

Bulk of Eastern European Armour is Russian/soviet origin and serbia has produced modified T-72 (M-84) with indigenous systems. China may have been interested in one of Serbian subsystem back in 80s. Yesterday China may have been seeking help from eastern europe but today China is well capable of producing top class Tanks.


You are just full of chit. Its in your nature to live in denial and myth... well guess what??? im here to bust your myth...

Missile-related export controls against India have been relaxed in recent years, especially by the United States. Most Indian entities have been removed from the "Entity List" maintained by the Department of Commerce, thus removing heightened export license requirements for these entities. The DRDO was removed from the list in 2001 and the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) was removed in 2004. In 2011, all remaining DRDO and ISRO subsidiaries (in addition to Bharat Dynamics Limited, or BDL) were removed from the list. The list no longer includes any Indian entities involved in missile or missile-related work. These measures have made it easier for India to access U.S. aerospace technology. Ties have grown particularly strong between ISRO and the U.S. National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The two now cooperate under the Joint Working Group on Civil Space in areas such as space science, earth observation, and satellite navigation, and have established a scientific personnel exchange.


India's missile and aerospace programs have also benefitted from a number of suppliers who provide components for its missile and rocket systems, often procured illegally from abroad. Below is a brief list of several suppliers of note:

Cirrus Electronics: Operates in the United States, Singapore, and India; knowingly supplied U.S.-origin controlled items to Indian organizations on the U.S. Entity List without the required export license, including semiconductors and capacitors, which can be used in missile guidance and firing systems, and static random access memory computer chips.

Enterysys Corporation: Operates in the United States and India; exported U.S.-origin controlled electronic equipment to BDL without the required licenses when it was on the U.S. Entity List.

NPO Mashinostroyenia: Russian firm that co-develops the BrahMos cruise missile in cooperation with the DRDO; co-founded the BrahMos Aerospace Joint Venture with the DRDO.

Rajaram Engineering Corporation: Accused by the U.S. Department of Commerce of illegally supplying an Indian space center with U.S.-origin equipment and technology related to the research and development of launching systems, including missile delivery systems.



oh yes yes just like ALH your LCH is also "indigenous".

Foreign Involvement in the ALH From the design to the provision of components and ammunition the involvement of foreign companies in the development of the ALH is considerable. At least 29 companies in nine countries across four continents have been involved with the development, licensed production or supply of components or munitions for the ALH. Ten of these companies are based in six EU Member States (Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Sweden and the UK). Other companies involved include a number based in Israel and the USA. Since its inception, the ALH has been a collaborative effort between the German company Messerschmitt-Bölkow Blohm (now Eurocopter Deutschland) and HAL: “One thing should be clear. Though it is India's, if not Asia's, first de novo designed helicopter, it is not ‘indigenous’ in the Indian sense of the term, but a collaborative effort of HAL and specialists from MesserschmittBolkow-Blohm, who built the Eurocopter, which the Advanced Light Helicopter resembles.” 11 It is not clear what configuration of armaments and components will be incorporated into the variants of any ALHs that might eventually be exported to Myanmar, but it is incumbent on governments to ensure that components produced or otherwise originating from within their jurisdiction are not incorporated into military helicopters transferred to Myanmar. The section below provides illustrative examples of key foreign involvement in the development of the ALH. Core foreign components for the ALH include helicopter engines and rotor blades, as well as hydraulics, cockpit displays, vibration dampers and other "missioncritical parts". In addition, European firms have contributed to the offensive military capability of the attack helicopter version: variants of the ALH have incorporated rocket launchers of Belgian origin, and machine guns and missiles of French origin. European and US firms have been involved in designing and developing the aircraft and its components. As a consequence — not least with major structural components like engines and rotors — it would be difficult, if not impossible, for HAL to source adequate alternative components from non-European or non-US suppliers. Similarly it may be difficult for HAL to manufacture such components itself without technical support from those firms. Letters were faxed to each of the companies mentioned in this report, noting the reports that the Government of India was in negotiations with the Government of Myanmar to supply the ALH, and requesting information about their involvement in the development of the ALH through the manufacture and supply of components, technology and/or assistance. The letters also asked about the terms of the licences under which such transfers were made, including any restrictions applied to re-export. Many of the companies’ responses summarised below specifically state that the contracts conform to their government’s requirements. Nevertheless, should such transfers of the ALH from India go ahead over the coming months, it is likely that military equipment, components and technology supplied from EU and US manufacturers incorporated into the ALH will end up in an embargoed destination. There is no suggestion that these companies will have broken current laws or regulations or deliberately violated the EU arms embargo on Myanmar. However, in almost all of these cases, the exports would not have been permitted from the country where the controlling company is based if they were supplied direct to Myanmar. The following section illustrates the scale of involvement of non-Indian companies in the design.

The European Union
Belgium
Forges de Zeebrugge FZ Variants of the ALH have incorporated rocket launchers produced by the Belgian company, Forges de Zeebrugge FZ. For example, the photo below shows the FZ nameplate on the rocket launcher mounted on ALH on display at Farnborough International, UK on 14 August 2006. © Robin Ballantyne Forges de Zeebrugge FZ confirmed that they have contracts with both HAL and the Indian Army, which have been approved by the Belgian authorities and are subject to end-use agreements. Confidentiality clauses contained within the contract prevented fuller disclosure of any details surrounding the nature of the deal.12

France
Turbomeca The French company Turbomeca (now part of the Safran Group) has undertaken both the direct export of engines from France to India but has also established licensed production and technology transfer arrangements with HAL to produce engines for the ALH. In February 2003, it was announced that Turbomeca and HAL had signed three major contracts. These included a contract for the supply of TM 333 2B2 engines for application on the HAL helicopter; and another contract for the repair and overhaul licence for the TM 333 2B2.13 The HAL website states that the ALH continues to use the "Turbomeca TM 333-2B2 Twin Turbo-shaft Engine 746 kw (1000 SHP)".14 Turbomeca confirmed that it has three contracts with HAL, two of which cover the supply, repair, servicing and overhaul of the TM333-2B2 engines for the ALH. The company also stated that all its contracts were regulated by the appropriate French export licensing authorities.15 However in its response to our enquiries the French Government stated that the engines in question are not classified as war material by the French regulations and do not appear in the list of items subject to the Myanmar embargo. In our view, this interpretation is wrong because non-listed items in the EC Dual Use Regulation if incorporated into military items bound for embargoed destinations become licensable, that is subject to the embargo (for more on this see the section on EU export controls on re-exports over military equipment below).16 It would therefore appear that the French Government places no restrictions on the transfer of equipment fundamental to the operation of the ALH notwithstanding the fact that it is clearly also used as a military aircraft. GIAT Industries (Nexter) and MBDA In July 2006 defence news service Shepherd Rotorhub quoted Hindustan Aeronautics' chairman Ashok Baweja describing a weaponisation programme was under way for the ALH. This was to include a 20mm gun from the French company GIAT and rockets from European missile manufacturer MBDA.17 In December 2006, GIAT (now renamed Nexter) announced that it had been awarded a contract by HAL for: “the supply of 20 THL 20 turrets that will equip the Indian Armed Forces' Advanced Light Helicopter. The order covers the development phase of 20 turrets. The first deliveries will take place in 2008….”18 In March 2007 Jane's Information Group reported that HAL signed a deal with MBDA in July 2006 for the supply of air-to-air Mistral missiles for armed versions of the ALH.19 Nexter has confirmed that it does supply products to HAL for the ALH. This currently includes twenty ‘THL 20’ 20mm Helicopter turrets. The company also stated that all of its exports are regulated and approved by the appropriate French export licensing authorities and that any additional contracts to supply the ALH that were not stipulated in the original contract would require a further export licence. 20

Germany
Eurocopter Deutschland (formerly MBB) and now wholly owned by Eurocopter Eurocopter has been involved (originally as MBB) with the development of the ALH since at least July 1984.21 In November 1995, it was reported that Eurocopter had submitted a proposal to the Indian Defence Ministry to “coproduce the ALH designed by HAL. It plans to set up production facilities in India to manufacture the ALH for both local and export markets.”22 In 2006 both companies were advertising their mutual co-operation: Eurocopter noting that it was supplying rotor blades for the ALH, 23 and HAL announcing that “Eurocopter, the helicopter manufacturer owned by EADS, has been cooperating with HAL for over four decades … India was the first nation with which Eurocopter signed a licence agreement for technology transfer.”24 Amnesty International wrote to Eurocopter in March 2007 asking for clarification over its role in the development of the ALH. As of 25 June 2007, the company had not responded. SITEC Aerospace SITEC Aerospace manufactures a range of components and complete assemblies for flight/engine controls for various types of aircraft.25 According to company literature on display at Farnborough International 2006, SITEC provides components for the ALH. SITEC Aerospace confirmed that they supply parts for the ALH, but that they do not export these directly to HAL, but supply them to another unnamed German manufacturer who subsequently incorporates these items into other systems for the ALH.

Italy
Elettronica Aster SpA The Italian company Elettronica Aster SpA on its website describes HAL as a major customer. According to the “Company and Program Overview”, Elettronica Aster SpA has produced and supplied the ALH with a brake system.27 Amnesty International wrote to Elettronica Aster SpA in March 2007 to ask for clarifications as to its involvement in the development of the ALH. In its reply dated 15 March, the company had no comment on the specifics of its supply of components for the ALH, stating only that Elettronica Aster SpA’s “export activity is regulated by the rules called out in the Italian Law no.185/’90 (with amendment DDL 1927), establishing the regulation for weapons import/export/transit.”

Sweden
Saab AB Saab Avitronics, the South African joint venture company owned by Saab AB (Sweden) and Saab Grintek (South Africa, itself part owned by Saab AB), has been awarded a multi-million dollar export contract from HAL for the supply of self-protection equipment for installation on the ALH for the Indian Armed Forces.29 Amnesty International wrote to Saab AB on 1 June 2007 asking for clarification over its involvement with the ALH. Saab AB replied saying: “All export approvals from the concerned authorities are in place. The export licences are supported by an end-user certificate.”

The United Kingdom
APPH Precision Hydraulics At the 2004 Farnborough arms fair, the UK company APPH Precision Hydraulics Ltd displayed its Hydraulic Package as the following: “HAL Advanced Light Helicopter Hydraulic Package designed and manufactured by APPH Ltd” Amnesty International wrote to in March 2007 to ask for clarifications as its involvement in the development of the ALH. As of 25 June 2007, the company had not responded. FPT Industries Ltd In 1993 it was reported that FPT Industries Ltd had been awarded a contract to supply floatation equipment for the ALH under development by HAL.31 FTP Industries is part of GKN Aerospace Services Ltd. In 1997, it was reported that FPT Industries’ self-sealing fuel tank systems were being used in the ALH.32 In 2007, the FPT Industries website stated that: “FPT equipment is fitted to a range of helicopters including ALH”.33 In 1997, the then GKN Westland Aerospace Ltd (renamed GKN Aerospace Services Ltd in 2001) was awarded a contract to supply the internal gearbox BR715 for HAL’s ALH.34 GKN Aerospace Services Ltd confirmed that they have supplied fuel tanks, floatation equipment and related gaskets and seals for the ALH, but that these are subject to end-use certificates stipulating that they would not be re-exported. The company stated that future supplies for the ALH would be for components and kits for fuel tanks that would be assembled locally in India, but would again be subject to similar end-use undertakings.35 However, while the UK Government normally requires the presentation of end-use documentation as part of the licensing process, it does not as a rule then include explicit end-use restrictions as a condition on the export licence. If this is the case in this instance, what force those end-use undertakings have is unclear.

Other third-country involvement in the ALH:
The United States
It should be noted that the US embargo on Myanmar does not specifically mention indirect supplies, nor does it place controls on civilian components that are incorporated into military systems. However, indirect supplies of US military components or other controlled items are subject to re-export controls under the US International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) system which specifically states that re-export of US-controlled content can only take place with the express permission of the US Government. Section 123.9 “Country of ultimate destination” provides that: “(a) The country designated as the country of ultimate destination on an application for an export licence, or on a shipper's export declaration where an exemption is claimed under this subchapter, must be the country of ultimate end-use. The written approval of the Department of State must be obtained before reselling, diverting, transferring, transshipping, or disposing of a defense article in any country other than the country of ultimate destination as stated on the export licence, or on the shipper's export declaration in cases where an exemption is claimed under this subchapter. Exporters must ascertain the specific end-use and end-user prior to submitting an application to the Office of Munitions Control or claiming an exemption under this subchapter. End-use must be confirmed and should not be assumed.” 36
However, it is not clear whether components supplied by US companies for the ALH have been specifically designed or adapted for military use. If not, they may fall outside this specification. Aitech Systems Ltd In September 2005, it was reported that Aitech Systems Ltd, a US company, had announced it had “received the first production order from the Lahav Division of Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) for Display & Mission Computers” for inclusion in the glass cockpit of the ALH. The Lahav Division of IAI is under contract to HAL to develop and provide the avionics system for the HAL.37 Deliveries for the first production of Display and Mission Computers were due to be completed by May 2006: “Aitech will build 400 Display & Mission Computers for the ALH program, to be delivered over the next several years. In addition, Aitech is under contract to IAI to provide the next generation of Display & Mission Computer.” 38 Amnesty International wrote to the company in March 2007 asking for clarifications over its involvement with the ALH, but has yet to receive a reply (as of 25 June 2007). Lord Corporation In January 2004, it was reported that Lord Corporation had announced that it had been "awarded the first production contract for its active vibration control system" for the ALH. Lord Corporation had been supplying other parts (such as elastomeric bearings) for the main tail rotor and parts for various "isolators", which together formed part of an anti-resonance isolator system aimed at reducing vibrations in the aircraft.” The report also stated that “Lord would supply the vibration dampers for these aircraft with user approvals.”39 The Lord Corporation wrote to Amnesty International on 9 March 2007 saying that contractual obligations of confidentiality prevented any disclosure of the Lord Corporation’s involvement in military products, other than information currently in the public domain. The company also stipulated that it was fully aware of government compliance issues and “strives to be in full compliance with all applicable regulations.”4

No one country can manufacture every thing. By the way things can be done inhouse but takes time,effort & money. If more money is present time & effort can be cut down. Even americans copied most of the german and russian designs.
Going the logic, we should not even be wearing modern clothes or speaking english as they were invented by some one else.

In 1975, Isro needed beryllium diaphragms for a new device. Today, you can find these diaphragms in highquality audio speakers. But few nations had the ability to make them 40 years ago. We approached a US-based firm which agreed to sell them to us. Just when the deal was about to go through, the US government blocked the sale as the material was being used in their strategic missiles.

Denied a critical product, we started learning more about it; and discovered something startling. The US diaphragms were made from beryllium rods produced in Japan — and the Japanese makers had outsourced the beryllium from us! India was among the top four producers of this rare element. We were dismayed to learn that a product whose raw material we possessed almost exclusively was denied to us. A committee of top research labs was then constituted to make our own beryllium diaphragm. In four months, we triumphed.

 

[knight11]

Nobody is going to buy LCA crap... and JF-17 has a great export future...

First of all only FC-1 can be exported, not JF-17, JF-17 is the designation of PAF.

LCA was never designed for export like FC-1 however LCA program is already a HIT, with 120 IAF and 40 LCA mk2 Naval for INaF + 80 LIFT tandem seat trainer variants. We are happy with Indian orders, and you can cheer for the export of the Chinese FC-1, marketed by Pakistan/China which is projected as the replacement of J-7. And my estimate is the total export won't be more than 100 excluding Pakistan airforce order.

If the deal to SLAF is confirmed that congratulation Srilanka for FC-1 for brand new FC-1, with nice chinese weapon package, and free J-7 from Pakistan, congratulation for China, for intelligently transforming dead Soviet design into an export product, and Pakistan for profit of share, and moral boast.

As far as LCA a crap is concerned, it is a plane of India, for the requirement of Indian airforce and Navy, and is not designed for export, nor their is any export variant yet and only a Idiot and Bafoon would think LCA MK-1A a crap, with full body composite, FBW, EL/M-2052, python-5/Derby, FADEEC, All wheather, wake penetration, capable of taking off from high altitude airfield such as LEH, with full load, certified hot weather, cold weather, with LIFT, and Naval variant, who had got order from the very difficult customer like IAF.

@Myth_buster_1 Another excellent thread ... Loved your thread on "indigenous dhruv"... But than you also opened a can of worms...

Ask him to burst the Airbus and Boeing also because both of them are using parts from all parts of the world with more than 40,000 subsystem suppliers, and by the time he burst, you could chest thump that they are mere integrator not manufacturer, and your assembling JF-17 from Kits provided by CALTIC China, is equal to 747 of Boeing because they too are doing assembling --- BOTH INVOLVE SPANNERS of course they can be outsourced from China.

 

[halupridol]

LCA was never designed for export like FC-1 however LCA program is already a HIT, with 120 IAF and 40 LCA mk2 Naval for INaF + 80 LIFT tandem seat trainer variants

thts 240 firm orders!! Wait I thought only 40 confirmed,,,naval mk2 is decade away even mk1a is on paper ,,,any links?
if it wasnt for exports thn why do u think its going Bahrain even before getting FOC.

 

[knight11]

thts 240 firm orders!! Wait I thought only 40 confirmed,,,naval mk2 is decade away even mk1a is on paper ,,,any links?
if it wasnt for exports thn why do u think its going Bahrain even before getting FOC.

Exposure for the international event for DRDO/ADA

It wasn't for export reason India never have the policy for arms export. Things started changing a little bit, but lot of challenges are there :-

1. Which agency would market LCA Tejas -- HAL, ADA, DRDO, GOI ??? Answer should be HAL, because it has the experience but not so much.
2. LCA was not designed as modulars.
3. LCA still using US engine, and israeli FCR which might create problem, when exported to some particular countries.
4. Private companies involvement can benifit, but they will invest, when they feel assused profit returned.
5. Technical challenges --- Uttam MMR, Kaveri-2, Indian munitions -- Astra1/2, LGB equivalent to Spice 250, Brahmos mini, Nirbhay mini.
6. HAL capabilities to provide spares and support in global arena.

Question is if you are projecting LCA tejas in international market, then in which category you are putting it in Light weight MRCA. You need an excillent marketing agencies, international relationship, full backups from IAF and INaF.

40 was the initial order -- 20 IOC state, and 20 FOC, but now the decission have been taken for full 120 MK-1A, that means 20 for IOC/FOC MK1, and 100 for MK-1A(AESA + other upgrades from MK1). Development keeps on going, and it takes around 2 years to set up the lines for the full scale manufacturing, so if MK1A would come in 2017, then, the 100 could be manufactured till 2021-2022 till MK-2 gets ready. Now ADA and Drdo should buckle up and speed up things fast so that Uttam and Astra-2 should be ready by that time, because the MK-2 can give a great alternative to SAAB Grippen.

For Naval LCA MK-2, another team of ADA is working, and will surely take time, but I think time have come, when India should review everything and start working on Kaveri-2, Airborne engine test platform, Naval AMCA .
In this type of complex project, you have to plan for long period of time, and consistent improtance, and fund release irrespective of which govt whether congress or bjp is there.

 

[帅的一匹]

China liscence built Mig 21s from Russia. In the 1980s Americas helped China design an upgraded version called the super 7. Then the PLAAF rejected it and it was sold to Pakistan as the JF 17.

So I dont really care what Pakistanis have to say about the LCA.

If it was that easy as you described, then LCA already be very popular in IAF cause you receive help from all over the world. Sri Lankar had signed contract of 8 JF17 with Pakistan while turn down LCA shoved by Indian government. What a shame of Indian government to sell LCA by force that IAF don't want by itself.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

First of all only FC-1 can be exported, not JF-17, JF-17 is the designation of PAF.

LCA was never designed for export like FC-1 however LCA program is already a HIT, with 120 IAF and 40 LCA mk2 Naval for INaF + 80 LIFT tandem seat trainer variants. We are happy with Indian orders, and you can cheer for the export of the Chinese FC-1, marketed by Pakistan/China which is projected as the replacement of J-7. And my estimate is the total export won't be more than 100 excluding Pakistan airforce order.

If the deal to SLAF is confirmed that congratulation Srilanka for FC-1 for brand new FC-1, with nice chinese weapon package, and free J-7 from Pakistan, congratulation for China, for intelligently transforming dead Soviet design into an export product, and Pakistan for profit of share, and moral boast.

As far as LCA a crap is concerned, it is a plane of India, for the requirement of Indian airforce and Navy, and is not designed for export, nor their is any export variant yet and only a Idiot and Bafoon would think LCA MK-1A a crap, with full body composite, FBW, EL/M-2052, python-5/Derby, FADEEC, All wheather, wake penetration, capable of taking off from high altitude airfield such as LEH, with full load, certified hot weather, cold weather, with LIFT, and Naval variant, who had got order from the very difficult customer like IAF.



Ask him to burst the Airbus and Boeing also because both of them are using parts from all parts of the world with more than 40,000 subsystem suppliers, and by the time he burst, you could chest thump that they are mere integrator not manufacturer, and your assembling JF-17 from Kits provided by CALTIC China, is equal to 747 of Boeing because they too are doing assembling --- BOTH INVOLVE SPANNERS of course they can be outsourced from China.

Tge butthurt is so evident ..

 

[knight11]

Tge butthurt is so evident ..

Why should I or why should India. Reason

1. what is the number of fighter plane sale.
2. How many pakistani build amunition are going to be sold -- NIL all Chinese
3. How much profit does pakistan will earn with this sale.
4. Does the F14 of the IRAN means anything to US else Pakistan have developed some alien technology, which have its own mind to think against India.

So I congratulate China, and I am highly impressed with the chinese, that they pick up the abandoned project of the soviet Mig 1.44 a single seater mig-29 variant project, make venture with Pakistan to invest half of the money in the development and inheritably gets its first customer with 150 FC-1 which was designated as JF-17 to the PAF.
Chinese are good businessman, they not only took/will take some share in the international market with this bird, but they are agressively marketing their weaponary like CMXX, PL-10A, WMD-7 and will give good profit to all those firms manufacturing these weapons.

 

[Gentelman]

Actually, Russians acted as consultants for the Chinese in the JF17s design.

JF17.pdf - DocDroid

They have been getting whole fuselages of the bird from China for assembly as well. So anyone talking about LCA can save it.

I havent seen any European in S. India, LEH, Rajasthan, etc. helping to get the bird certified. I can pretty much bet that the Chinese did all that leg work for JF17.

Pakistan are flying it in airshows, marketing.

The whole PAC designing team,test pilots, technicians were in China from the start and Jointly designed it from scratch. Yeah it was first produced in China as PAC facilities were not upgraded and these were gradually upgraded to carry manufacturing operations of JF-17.
Yeah Russians were consultants, There was a time when even General Electric was also involved in the designing phase but that's a different story...

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Why should I or why should India. Reason

1. what is the number of fighter plane sale.
2. How many pakistani build amunition are going to be sold -- NIL all Chinese
3. How much profit does pakistan will earn with this sale.
4. Does the F14 of the IRAN means anything to US else Pakistan have developed some alien technology, which have its own mind to think against India.

So I congratulate China, and I am highly impressed with the chinese, that they pick up the abandoned project of the soviet Mig 1.44 a single seater mig-29 variant project, make venture with Pakistan to invest half of the money in the development and inheritably gets its first customer with 150 FC-1 which was designated as JF-17 to the PAF.
Chinese are good businessman, they not only took/will take some share in the international market with this bird, but they are agressively marketing their weaponary like CMXX, PL-10A, WMD-7 and will give good profit to all those firms manufacturing these weapons.

Confirmed orders by 2 states... Third might be SL.
Pak made munitions yes .. We offer PGMs,Anti runway series missiles (HAFR),anti armour cluster munitions.H series Stand off weapons,anti sub missiles,Glide bombs,etc etc

Pak has a 60% share in the project ...


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Rest of your post is BS... Due to massive butt hurt .. I pitty you... Enjoy the pain ... Buy truck load of burnol..

Your pain is understandable... Phatnay ki awaz idhar tak gonji thi ...

The whole PAC designing team,test pilots, technicians were in China from the start and Jointly designed it from scratch. Yeah it was first produced in China as PAC facilities were not upgraded and these were gradually upgraded to carry manufacturing operations of JF-17.
Yeah Russians were consultants, There was a time when even General Electric was also involved in the designing phase but that's a different story...

You are arguing with an idiot hell bent on showing his stupidity.... Go with the flow and try to talk in the lingo these creatures understand.

 

[Gentelman]

Confirmed orders by 2 states... Third might be SL.
Pak made munitions yes .. We offer PGMs,Anti runway series missiles (HAFR),anti armour cluster munitions.H series Stand off weapons,anti sub missiles,Glide bombs,etc etc

Pak has a 60% share in the project ...


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Rest of your post is BS... Due to massive butt hurt .. I pitty you... Enjoy the pain ... Buy truck load of burnol..

Your pain is understandable... Phatnay ki awaz idhar tak gonji thi ...



You are arguing with an idiot hell bent on showing his stupidity.... Go with the flow and try to talk in the lingo these creatures understand.

We don't have to jump in mud to fight the pig, otherwise it will take us to its level and kill us in the mud.
Better just kill it with gun of sweetness.
(Just an example of not to be bad with the one who is bad to you, not targeting any nation or people of specific region)