KSA & UAE - Submarine Options

[c-dome1]

The requirements' studies must have been done a while ago and the choice went for the type-209 German submarines, now they are looking for their equivalents.. there is the option of type-212 from Italy but it is not known if the Germans have a say in that, it is much more sophisticated than the type-209 and one of the hardest to detect..


There is this new vision 2030 which insists on ToT in any new military procurements, so your thoughts go in accord with this requirement, and KSA in particular with other GGG members following suite, is already working hard on it..

no one will give you technology and even if they will it will help you only manufacter in the country you need to develop alone

 

[HannibalBarca]

no one will give you technology

Money gives you...

 

[c-dome1]

Money gives you...

ok so you will manufacter its alone you will need every time to buy technology you need your own people to develop things like in other countries

 

[HannibalBarca]

ok so you will manufacter its alone you will need every time to buy technology you need your own people to develop things like in other countries

Other country did not build their things alone either... they took from others, bough from others, reversed engineered from others etc... If you want to go back to the source, the one who created the base for almost all modern equipment are the German under the Nazis... and then the soviet and Western countries took/stolen from the the nazis and made their own, upgrated it and so on till today...
One of The most importante thing is to get the technology and then build the infrastructure.

 

[c-dome1]

Other country did not build their things alone either... they took from others, bough from others, reversed engineered from others etc... If you want to go back to the source, the one who created the base for almost all modern equipment are the German under the Nazis... and then the soviet and Western countries took/stolen from the the nazis and made their own, upgrated it and so on till today...
One of The most importante thing is to get the technology and then build the infrastructure.

ok lets see what they can do
india get tot all the time and i dont see they are so advanced

 

[HannibalBarca]

ok lets see what they can do
india get tot all the time and i dont see they are so advanced

What's the relation btw india and KSA/UAE???

 

[c-dome1]

What's the relation btw india and KSA/UAE???

they need joint venture with leading companies in the world to go forword they can also hierd engeenirs from the west to do the work for them

 

[HannibalBarca]

they need joint venture with leading companies in the world to go forword they can also hierd engeenirs from the west to do the work for them

Whatever, it's not like they gonna Tot on submarine, they just gonna buy few, if they need it. But neither KSA neither UAE gonna buy submarines anysoon...

 

[Khafee]

Whatever, it's not like they gonna Tot on submarine, they just gonna buy few, if they need it. But neither KSA neither UAE gonna buy submarines anysoon...

On KSA I cannot comment.

On the UAE - best if you didn't comment. You are good poster, I wouldn't want you to be embarrassed a couple of months down the road.

 

[HannibalBarca]

On KSA I cannot comment.

On the UAE - best if you didn't comment. You are good poster, I wouldn't want you to be embarrassed a couple of months down the road.

Maybe I'm wrong, but UAE has a "project" to buy, btw wanting, testing, and then buying you can have 7-10 years bf doing so. Maybe in the near future, but as for today,I don't think they will buy any.
Best regards

 

[Khafee]

Maybe I'm wrong, but UAE has a "project" to buy, btw wanting, testing, and then buying you can have 7-10 years bf doing so. Maybe in the near future, but as for today,I don't think they will buy any.
Best regards

It's funny when people tell me what the UAE is going to do.

 

[HannibalBarca]

It's funny when people tell me what the UAE is going to do.

If that made you laugh, then hope you enjoyed it.
Best regards.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

@Khafee great question you ask in this thread... what is most important is an integerated defence architecture/doctorine... platforms follow after that...

I do strongly believe your road goes through PNS and of course the other way round. Comparetively, only naval force going through transformation is PNS... dig in and see how powerful this force is becoming.

I know for fact that your country wants to be independent ...joint venture with PNS will do wonders ...also on unspoken platforms.

But first and far most is the doctorine....

What is it for UAE? For PNS is total dominace in the coming decade...full spectrum that is.

 

[c-dome1]

@Khafee great question you ask in this thread... what is most important is an integerated defence architecture/doctorine... platforms follow after that...

I do strongly believe your road goes through PNS and of course the other way round. Comparetively, only naval force going through transformation is PNS... dig in and see how powerful this force is becoming.

I know for fact that your country wants to be independent ...joint venture with PNS will do wonders ...also on unspoken platforms.

But first and far most is the doctorine....

What is it for UAE? For PNS is total dominace in the coming decade...full spectrum that is.

i wonder from what country uae import the engeenirs from europe or they are local?

 

[The SC]

if my enemy have subs and carry some missiles with out nuckler cap it's usless and realy waste of money and lives
let we say the enemy have sub's with out nuckler cap what can he do to you
and can his sub's pass this

SSK Attack submarines are very dangerous for any warship including Aircraft carriers..

Sweden's Super Stealth Submarines Are So Lethal They 'Sank' a U.S. Aircraft Carrier

How was the Gotland able to evade the Reagan’s elaborate antisubmarine defenses involving multiple ships and aircraft employing a multitude of sensors? And even more importantly, how was a relatively cheap submarine costing around $100 million—roughly the cost of a single F-35 stealth fighter today—able to accomplish that?

However, the two-hundred-foot-long Swedish Gotland-class submarines, introduced in 1996, were the first to employ an Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) system—in this case, the Stirling engine. A Stirling engine charges the submarine’s seventy-five-kilowatt battery using liquid oxygen.

With the Stirling, a Gotland-class submarine can remain undersea for up to two weeks sustaining an average speed of six miles per hour—or it can expend its battery power to surge up to twenty-three miles per hour. A conventional diesel engine is used for operation on the surface or while employing the snorkel. The Stirling-powered Gotland runs more quietly than even a nuclear-powered sub, which must employ noise-producing coolant pumps in their reactors.

The Gotland class does possess many other features that make it adept at evading detection. It mounts twenty-seven electromagnets designed to counteract its magnetic signature to Magnetic Anomaly Detectors. Its hull benefits from sonar-resistant coatings, while the tower is made of radar-absorbent materials. Machinery on the interior is coated with rubber acoustic-deadening buffers to minimize detectability by sonar. The Gotland is also exceedingly maneuverable thanks to the combined six maneuvering surfaces on its X-shaped rudder and sail, allowing it to operate close to the sea floor and pull off tight turns.

Because the stealthy boat proved the ultimate challenge to U.S. antisubmarine ships in international exercises, the U.S. Navy leased the Gotland and its crew for two entire years to conduct antisubmarine exercises. The results convinced the U.S. Navy its undersea sensors simply were not up to dealing with the stealthy AIP boats.
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...h-submarines-are-so-lethal-they-sank-us-18383