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Over the last few years KSA and the UAE Navies have been focusing on fleet renewal and upgrading capabilities, in particular ASW.
Now as any student of naval warfare knows that a sub is not only an offensive platform, but a deterrent too.
I had totally forgotten about this, until @zaravn brought up this topic. What I would like to see, from respected forum members on this thread, is NOT shots in the dark, but proper options. i.e. when you suggest a platform give details of its specs, and it's pros, and cons.
Thank You
http://www.govconwire.com/2014/02/s...chille-fulfaro-comments/#sthash.jXvRg3Ad.dpuf
@Penguin @Zarvan @The Eagle @Fenrir and others
Thanks for the tag Sir. Though I am not expert in such subject at all but still being a reader of current development and merely creating a point that from we can go ahead with discussion. Merely for the reference and contention to discuss the threat as per current development, we have to keep in mind that Iran is operating Kilo Class Russian subs.
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UAE Subs Option: In my opinion, we know that UAE enjoys good relations with France and current Scorpene Subs are well reputed and for the same, we can see the Australian contract with French Manufacturer and the same road for UAE. Also going the same road, it will be easy to call it net-centric w.r.t. integration and close communication. Furthermore, the surface fleet is mostly from France.
The Baynunah class are corvettes for the United Arab Emirates Navy. The lead ship is named after the Baynunah region in Abu Dhabi. Six ships are planned for this class. Sea trials are currently underway. Platform and combat systems trials are expected to continue through 2011, after which time the lead ship will be delivered to the UAE Navy.[3]
Scorpene Subs
The Scorpène class of ships has four subtypes:[5] the CM-2000 conventional diesel-electric version, the AM-2000 AIP derivative, the downsized CA-2000 coastal submarine, and the enlarged S-BR for the Brazilian Navy, without AIP.[6]
The Chilean and Malaysian boats are fitted with the TSM 2233 Mk 2 sonar. The class can also be fitted with an 'S-Cube' sonar suite from Thales.[7]
Royal Malaysian Navy's Scorpéne-class submarine KD Tunku Abdul Rahman
Class overview
Name: Scorpène class
Builders:
Operators:
Preceded by: Agosta class
Subclasses:
- Kalvari class
- CA-2000
- CM-2000
- AM-2000
- S-BR
Building: 4
Planned: 19
Completed: 4
Cancelled: 4
General characteristics
Type: Submarine
Displacement:
- 1,565 tonnes (1,725 short tons) (CM-2000)
- 1,870 tonnes (2,060 short tons) (AM-2000)
- 2,000 tonnes (2,200 short tons) (S-BR)[1]
- 61.7 m (202 ft) (CM-2000)
- 70 m (230 ft) (AM-2000)
- 75 metres (246 ft) (S-BR)[1]
Draught: 5.4 m (18 ft)
Draft: 5.8 m (19 ft)
Propulsion:
- Diesel-electric
- Batteries
- Air-independent propulsion (AIP)
- MESMA AIP (DCNS models)
- DRDO PAFC Fuel Cell AIP (Kalvari class)
- 20 knots (37 km/h; 23 mph) (submerged)
- 12 kn (22 km/h; 14 mph) (surfaced)
- 6,500 nmi (12,000 km) at 8 kn (15 km/h; 9.2 mph) (surfaced)
- 550 nmi (1,020 km; 630 mi) at 5 kn (9.3 km/h; 5.8 mph) (submerged)
- 40 days (compact)
- 50 days (normal)
- 50+21 days (AIP)
Complement: 31
Armament: 6 x 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes for 18 Whitehead Alenia Sistemi SubacqueiBlack Shark heavyweight torpedoes or SM.39 Exocet anti-ship missiles, 30 mines in place of torpedoes
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KSA Option: So far IMO, German Class 212, Italian Todaro class could be strong contender for KSA Sub fleet. I read somewhere that Italian were more confident to have contract in this subject for KSA as well as Germany would be offering the same for KSA sub fleet. It is to be kept in mind that Germany has already lost to DCNS France in India and Australian contracts so would be more offering in-case KSA goes for such.
The German Type 212 class, also Italian Todaro class,[6] is a highly advanced design of non-nuclear submarine developed by Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft AG (HDW) for the German and Italian navies. It features diesel propulsion and an additional air-independent propulsion (AIP) system using Siemens proton exchange membrane (PEM) compressed hydrogen fuel cells. The submarines can operate at high speed on diesel power or switch to the AIP system for silent slow cruising, staying submerged for up to three weeks without surfacing and with little exhaust heat. The system is also said to be vibration-free, extremely quiet and virtually undetectable.
U-34 underway
Class overview
Builders: Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft GmbH (HDW) - Fincantieri SpA
Operators:
Preceded by: Type 206 submarine, Sauro class submarine
Cost: 371 million Euros
In service: 2002
In commission: 2005
Planned: 14
Completed: 10
Active: 8
General characteristics
Displacement:
- 1,524 tonnes (1,500 long tons) surfaced
- 1,830 tonnes (1,800 long tons) submerged
- 56 metres (183 ft 9 in)
- 57.20 metres (187 ft 8 in) (2nd batch)
Draught: 6.40 metres (21 ft 0 in)
Decks: 2
Installed power: 1 x MTU-396 16V (2,150 kW); 1 x Siemens Permasyn electric motor Type FR6439-3900KW (2,850 kW)
Propulsion:
- 1 MTU 16V 396 marine diesel engine[1]
- 9 HDW/Siemens PEM fuel cells, 30–40 kW each (U31)
- 2 HDW/Siemens PEM fuel cells each with 120 kW (U32, U33, U34)[2]
- 1 Siemens Permasyn electric motor 1700 kW, driving a single seven-bladed skewback propeller
- 12 knots (22 km/h; 14 mph) surfaced
- 20 knots (37 km/h; 23 mph) submerged[3]
Endurance: 3 weeks without snorkeling, 12 weeks overall
Test depth:
- 250 metres (820 ft)
- crush depth over 700 m (2,296 ft)[4]
Sensors and
processing systems: CSU 90 (DBQS-40FTC), Sonar: ISUS90-20, Radar: Kelvin Hughes Type 1007 I-band nav.,
Electronic warfare
& decoys: EADS FL 1800U suite
Armament: 6 x 533 millimetres (21 in) torpedo tubes (in 2 forward pointing groups of 3) with 13[5] DM2A4, Black Shark Torpedo, IDAS missiles and 24 external naval mines (optional)
Also, German Type-209.... (AIP can be fitted)
The Type 209 is a class of diesel-electric attack submarine developed exclusively for export by Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft of Germany. The original variant (Type 209/1100) was designed in the late 1960s. Despite not being operated by the German Navy, five variants of the class (209/1100, 209/1200, 209/1300, 209/1400 and 209/1500) have been successfully exported to 13 countries, with 61 submarines being built and commissioned between 1971 and 2008.
S41 (861), a Type 209/1400 submarine of the Egyptian Navy, during sea trials.
Class overview
Builders:
- Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft
- Nordseewerke[1]
- Arsenal de Marinha[2]
- Mazagon Dock Limited[3]
- Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering[4]
- Gölcük Naval Shipyard[5]
Preceded by: Type 206 submarine
Succeeded by: Type 214 submarine
In commission: 1971-present
Planned: 64
Completed: 61
Cancelled: 3
Active: 59
Laid up: 2
General characteristics
Type: Type 209/1500 submarine
Displacement: 1,810 tonnes (1,780 long tons) submerged
Length: 64.4 metres (211 ft)
Beam: 6.5 metres (21 ft)
Draft: 6.2 metres (20 ft)
Propulsion: Diesel-electric, 4 diesels, 1 shaft, 6100 shp
Speed:
- 11.5 knots (21 km/h), surfaced;
- 22.5 knots (42 km/h), submerged
- 11000 Nautical miles (nmi) at 10 knots, surfaced,
- (20,000 km at 20 km/h);
- 8,000 nmi at 10 knots, snorkeling,
- (15,000 km at 20 km/h);
- 400 nmi at 4 knots, submerged
- (740 km at 7 km/h)
Test depth: 500 metres (1,600 ft)
Complement: 36
Armament:
- 8 × 21-inch (533 mm) torpedo tubes,
- 14 torpedoes; optional UGM-84 Harpoon integration
We can also consider the both offerings or the manufacturers for either countries in-case of any interest.
On other hand, if geo-politics takes a drastic change and diversion of sources to be kept in mind, then one may have a look at Chinese inventory for possible interest but for the moment, the same highly unlikely to happen hence, quoting for the reference only. These kind of inductions, IMO, are based strongly on relations with countries and the trust of support/supply in high-times that both countries would be aware of their relations and foreign policies.