King Abdullah calls Israeli onslaught war crime

[newb3e]

The impotent king finally grew a pair...may he build more tallest building in his country!

 

[Mani2020]

KSA already condemned Israel 1 month ago when they started carpet bombing Gaza. Google that yourself. So no this is not news. This speech called for unity in the Muslim world and for an end to the bloodbath including in Gaza.

Yet when Erdogan and Turkey (biggest business partner of Israel from the Muslim world) barks while doing equally "as little" or "as much" the masses on PDF are almost worshipping those comments.

Hypocrisy at its best.

But there wasn't enough pressure exerted on israel like needed ...a statement one month back then complete silence and than after 1 month a statement again....

at turkey part ....dont know whom you are pointing at ...but i wasnt among those lets be assured...besides KSA role becomes more important thn any other islamic country in this regard because of the influence she exercises on most of the islamic states and the kind of economy and equipment it possesses...so time and situation demanded more from KSA...

Moreover i also read in a random news stating one of the member of saudi royal family has asked/ordered the islamic scholars in KSA to refrain from praying for plaestinians ...i never mentioned this news before in any of the threads/forums because i am not sure about the authenticity of it ....

 

[Malghani]

I think these fake accounts should be dealt with as soon as Possible, please read the Forum Rules, Insulting Kings, Prime Ministers and presidents is strictly Prohibited. Mind your language guys.

KSA to refrain from praying for plaestinians

That seems utter BS. Why a Muslim would do that ?

 

[Falcon29]

@al-Hasani

This was the speech I was speaking about. It was mostly about terrorism. I was confused at what message he was trying to send. I think Saudi Arabia should try taking a lead role and promoting unity. He needs to take it a step further because the Arab world is getting out of control.

 

[al-Hasani]

I think these fake accounts should be dealt with as soon as Possible, please read the Forum Rules, Insulting Kings, Prime Ministers and presidents is strictly Prohibited. Mind your language guys.


That seems utter BS. Why a Muslim would do that ?

I was praying in both Al-Masjid al-Haram and Al-Masjid an-Nabawi this very week and that claim is obviously a big fat lie. It's remarkable what people are willing to believe as long as it fits into their agenda.

Regarding the leaders then I do not care. Let them insult a 90 year old man. Whatever they say then it does not change the fact that he is among the most respected Muslim leaders out there.

 

[Falcon29]

The only reason he even said that's is because of this and i am quoting (al- hasani )


(private Arabian citizens are leading when it comes to more covert support for Hamas likewise 95% of all Saudi Arabians (recent polls) support armed resistance against Israel and support Hamas' stand.)

So 95% of Arabian are disgusted by their own government behaviour . Now remember these are your words and not mine . He see the local populations reaction (Arab spring)so he speaks only after 1000 or so are already slaughterd.

Can you give me the link for that poll?

 

[Malghani]

I was praying in both Al-Masjid al-Haram and Al-Masjid an-Nabawi this very week and that claim is obviously a big fat lie. It's remarkable what people are willing to believe as long as it fits into their agenda.
Regarding the leaders then I do not care. Let them insult a 90 year old man.

I already said, that was an absolute BS.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Utter nonsense and unfounded empty claims.

I know that you have a weakness for those fake wannabe Arab Mullah's (your username practically gives it away)

my username and "fake wannabe Arab Mullahs"

i wonder how these 2 got connected, maybe you could explain

but KSA already condemned Israel the first night Gaza was attacked. Big humanitarian donations (so far the biggest) were ordered by King Abdullah weeks ago. Likewise condemnations, meetings in the Arab world, meetings with Mahmoud Abbas etc. Meetings with Qatar too that host the leader of Hamas (Khaled Mishal).

the Arab League is a failure as is the OIC.....you Arabs are busy fighting eachother while Ghaza burns. But its okay because its a collective fault of the world as a whole, not just Arabs. Once upon a time you had King Faisals, King Fahds - noble people who cared - and were willing to forego some material gains in order to give a REAL message (think along the lines of the embargo)

the truth is - Saudi leadership can sympathize with the people of Ghaza/Falasteen but at the same time they can support the attack on Hamas (meaning attack on Ghaza)...and then try to shower their "sympathy" by throwing money at the problem (by the time Ghaza and other occupied territories are smoking blood-stained rubble and dust!!!!!

my criticism is of the governments of Egypt and KSA -- not the people. The people are probably sharing the same sentiments and frustrations as other scores of Muslims and non-Muslim well-wishers of Falasteen are......the leaders however are proving to be SLAVES

So please

….

please what? Stop voicing my concerns which are the concerns of a lot of other upset people?

 

[Mani2020]

That seems utter BS. Why a Muslim would do that ?

as i already mentioned that was a random news .....whether news channel or social media....dont remember the source now ......thats why i said i am not sure about the authenticity of this news

 

[al-Hasani]

But there wasn't enough pressure exerted on israel like needed ...a statement one month back then complete silence and than after 1 month a statement again....

at turkey part ....dont know whom you are pointing at ...but i wasnt among those lets be assured...besides KSA role becomes more important thn any other islamic country in this regard because of the influence she exercises on most of the islamic states and the kind of economy and equipment it possesses...so time and situation demanded more from KSA...

Moreover i also read in a random news stating one of the member of saudi royal family has asked/ordered the islamic scholars in KSA to refrain from praying for plaestinians ...i never mentioned this news before in any of the threads/forums because i am not sure about the authenticity of it ....

Just because you have no idea what is happening in the Arab world (I don't blame you as you do not speak Arabic nor follow the politics) does not mean that what you are saying (due to ignorance) suddenly turns into a reality.

King Abdullah despite his advanced age and despite the Ramadan (which he observed) was meeting with dozens of Muslim leaders. Abu Mazen, the Emir of Qatar etc. There have been meetings in the Arab League, OIC and other regional bodies and countless of statements condemning Israel.

Well that's fair enough. It's a shame that many of your compatriots are that easily fooled though.

So what if KSA is the cradle of Islam and home to it's most holy sites? Is that giving her any superpower? KSA and ALL the other Muslim countries and even the Muslim world as a whole is still NOTHING compared in power, political influence, economy, military power to the Western world and USA that backs Israel unconditionally.

Regarding your so-called rumor then you should ask yourself whether it's something any sane person would believe or whether it is bullshit. I already countered that absurd claim.

 

[Cheetah786]

Why are you bothering to write to me false-flagger? I already countered your nonsense and if you are an American as you claim then my little reply to you should have shut you up long ago.

Egypt is not KSA, Einstein. Morsi would have done jackshit. In fact he was busy writing letters to Israel and others.

USA are friends with 99% of all Muslim countries. Your point?

Because unlike Syria then Israel is not fully backed by your country and the entire Western world. That is why genius.

ISIS has nothing to do with KSA. It's more your creation if anything.

@Cheetah786

Not sure why I even bother to reply to you knowing your user history but yet KSA is the main donor to Gaza and who receives those donations and control it and distribute it? Yes, you are clever and guessed right. Hamas.

Lol I simply quoted what you said., and the best you can do is personal attacks


Made in Israel sold in Arabia
"Be careful not to buy this product from our Zionist enemies. It's a pencil case that costs two riyals, but it says on the side that the price is 'six shekels,' an Israeli currency. I don't know how it got into the kingdom. In any case, beware." The writer of this message, posted on a Saudi Internet forum, would probably be outraged to learn that trade between Saudi Arabia and Israel does not end with cheap office supplies. Although the two countries have no official diplomatic ties, private businesspeople are finding ways to circumvent the obstacles. The Saudi press abounds with reports of products tagged "Made in Israel" that make their way into local markets; Israelis testify to Saudi oil products entering Israel under cover of foreign companies, and rumor has long had it that a wealthy Saudi businessman, Walid Bin Talal, is planning to build a hotel in Tel Aviv. Furthermore, according to an informed source, the Saudi oil giant Aramco is planning a pipeline that will run through Israel and provide easy export of oil to Europe. Does this add up to a new Middle East? Hardly. Rumors of trade through third parties between the two countries have been circulating for years. Israel's exports to the kingdom are estimated to be on a fairly small scale, perhaps a few dozen million dollars - a drop in the ocean compared to the bulk of Israel's sales abroad. This is taking place despite an official Saudi boycott policy against openly trading with Israel, but the boycott is not the only factor stopping these low-key ties from expanding. "Even if Arab states lift the boycott, Arab people will not buy anything from Israel because of what's currently going on in occupied Arab land," says Khalid Al-Maeena, editor in chief of the Saudi daily, Arab News. "As a liberal secular person, I wouldn't buy anything from Israel unless they resolve the Palestine issue. Once that's done, I don't think there will be a problem." Because of the boycott and these prevailing attitudes, Israelis need to practice caution and discretion in dealing with the kingdom. Governments have no official statistics of the extent of trade between Israel and the Saudi kingdom, as these dealings take place away from the limelight and often involve repackaging and re-branding through third-party countries. Experts agree that the traffic of goods goes mainly from Israel to Saudi Arabia and less so in the opposite direction. For the most part, Israeli companies are reluctant to comment on their ties with Arab countries. Several Israeli companies contacted either denied any connection with Saudi business partners or would not divulge details. But it is no secret that such trade does exist and that Saudi and Israeli businesspeople meet regularly. "There is a certain degree of demand on the Saudi side and Israelis are pushing what they have to offer," says Dan Catarivas, director of foreign trade and international relations at the Manufacturers Association of Israel. This includes everything from fresh goods, such as agricultural products, to sophisticated items, including computer chips, hi-tech, desalination technology, irrigation equipment and security systems. Falling in line with policies of the Arab League's Damascus-based boycott office, Saudi Arabia, on the official level, bans Israeli-made goods and services. The Arab boycott policy includes a secondary level, which bans trade with businesses that operate in Israel, and a practically unrealizable tertiary level that boycotts businesses that have relationships with other businesses that trade with Israel. The secondary boycott - and even more, the tertiary level - is becoming increasingly hard to put into practice. Multipart items such as computers and cell phones include countless components from different countries, including those manufactured in Israel. Arab countries are relaxing the enforcement on a sweeping ban, because it limits their imports. The boycott is enforced in varying degrees, depending on the country. "The Arab boycott exists much more on paper than in practicality," Catarivas says. Upon joining the World Trade Organization in 2005, Saudi Arabia agreed to cancel the secondary and tertiary level boycotts, but maintains the primary boycott of Israeli products and services. The marketing manager of an Israeli company that manufactures water-related technology admits he is looking to break into the Saudi market, but has run into a brick wall right from the very start. "In Saudi Arabia all the projects start with a tender, and usually these tenders don't allow sourcing from Israel, so the companies bidding avoid doing business with us," he says. For his company, Saudi Arabia is the largest potential market in the world, because the kingdom relies on water technology from outside. Theoretically, the company could use a third party to hide its Israeli identity, but this would involve concealing the origin of the equipment, a complicated and costly process. There's a whole industry that ensures the source of a product is concealed, Catarivas says. However, the overheads involved in this often render it unprofitable. "There are many added costs in working undercover," Catarivas says. "Today the world is so competitive that these added costs can take you out of the competition." Israeli businesspeople are mistaken if they think Saudi Arabia is a virgin market with endless potential opportunities, says Doron Peskin, head of research at Info-Prod, a company that advises businesses about Middle Eastern markets. "After a peace deal was signed between Israel and Egypt, Israelis went rushing there with pots, pans and denim trousers, and of course these were things the Egyptians already had. First you have to see what they need," he says. "Israeli exporters and manufacturers will have to work very hard to gain a foothold there," he adds. It should be noted that despite the image of Saudi Arabia as being filthy rich, the kingdom also has a high poverty rate, with many poor Saudis in the peripheries and a huge non-Saudi population that is not benefiting from the oil boom. These are also factors that can limit Israel's economic success there, Peskin adds. For these reasons, experts do not place much weight on the trade potential as a major incentive for Jerusalem and Riyadh to forge a peace deal. "Israel's economy is close to OECD levels, but it is relatively small and the goods that Israel produces can be obtained elsewhere," a Gulf-based researcher says. "Where it's indispensable they can always turn a blind eye to imports from third-party countries, but I don't think that's a major incentive for making peace." A peace agreement could allow Israel to tap into the kingdom's vast oil fields to diversify its energy sources, but this would be more of a perk than a necessity. Israelis still harbor a misconception that economy and business among people will bring about peace, Peskin says. "I think this perception is archaic and no longer valid. It wasn't relevant to the Middle East of 1995 and it certainly isn't relevant today," Peskin says. "Money talks," Catarivas says. "Of course there's also the political barometer. When there are events in Gaza, it's not pleasant, but at the end of the day the businessmen know how to find each other."

 

[al-Hasani]

my username and "fake wannabe Arab Mullahs"

i wonder how these 2 got connected, maybe you could explain





the Arab League is a failure as is the OIC.....you Arabs are busy fighting eachother while Ghaza burns. But its okay because its a collective fault of the world as a whole, not just Arabs. Once upon a time you had King Faisals, King Fahds - noble people who cared - and were willing to forego some material gains in order to give a REAL message (think along the lines of the embargo)

the truth is - Saudi leadership can sympathize with the people of Ghaza/Falasteen but at the same time they can support the attack on Hamas (meaning attack on Ghaza)...and then try to shower their "sympathy" by throwing money at the problem (by the time Ghaza and other occupied territories are smoking blood-stained rubble and dust!!!!!

my criticism is of the governments of Egypt and KSA -- not the people. The people are probably sharing the same sentiments and frustrations as other scores of Muslims and non-Muslim well-wishers of Falasteen are......the leaders however are proving to be SLAVES

….

please what? Stop voicing my concerns which are the concerns of a lot of other upset people?

****************************************. Those people that are courting the West now and begging them to stop those sanctions after their 35 year old "project" failed enormously for the entire world to see.

Your username = gives away your sect.

KSA is not fighting anyone. I have nothing to do with what people are doing in Libya, Iraq or Syria. Those are 3 out of 22 Arab countries. Countries that need to find their footing after decades of dictatorship, civil wars and other conflicts.

I never claimed that any Muslim organization is powerful compared to the Western organizations. They are not.

Instead of just empty talk and playing the blame game while nobody is any better then tell me what the Muslim world should do or more importantly can do to stop Israel? Almost nothing. As long as Israel is a nuclear power and has the full backing of the West and USA.

I can only laugh at your opinion of humanitarian aid. It's the most precious aid that anyone can get. It's the aid that your ordinary Palestinian is most thankful for.

Do you think that he appreciates a few pipes and rifles more than this? Something that will not help him at all and only anger Israel more with the end result being more deaths as we see now?

Give me a break will you?

Now what will stop Israel? Only a total war. Who is ready to make such a sacrifice among the Muslims? Nobody. Why? Because otherwise it would have been done in the past 40 years.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Yet Saudi Arabia supports the sissy in Egypt. Why not tell him to open the border with Gaza? Egypt answers more to Saudi Arabia than to US Why not sever all diplomatic and economic relations with israel? Your king spends millions for people to wage war in Syria, but not israel? He tells nato to bomb Syria, and even offers to pay the costs of the operation, but says nothing about Israel? He wants war in Syria but diplomatic solution to israel?yeah right.

I feel like a fool because I too supported General Sisi's rise to power.....he had a decorated military career and he did a lot to bring law & order back to Egypt (from Cairo to Sinai). He helped stop sectarian violence and attacks on non-Muslims - which would have otherwise caused civil war like situation

but now this......he sides with israel against Palestinians/Muslims.

Allah SWT is the first and last judge.

 

[Cheetah786]

I feel like a fool because I too supported General Sisi's rise to power.....he had a decorated military career and he did a lot to bring law & order back to Egypt (from Cairo to Sinai). He helped stop sectarian violence and attacks on non-Muslims - which would have otherwise caused civil war like situation

but now this......he sides with israel against Palestinians/Muslims.

Allah SWT is the first and last judge.

Jews don't believe in hell so Sisi's isn't afraid

 

[Mani2020]

Just because you have no idea what is happening in the Arab world (I don't blame you as you do not speak Arabic nor follow the politics) does not mean that what you are saying (due to ignorance) suddenly turns into a reality.

King Abdullah despite his advanced age and despite the Ramadan (which he observed) was meeting with dozens of Muslim leaders. Abu Mazen, the Emir of Qatar etc. There have been meetings in the Arab League, OIC and other regional bodies and countless of statements condemning Israel.

Well that's fair enough. It's a shame that many of your compatriots are that easily fooled though.

So what if KSA is the cradle of Islam and home to it's most holy sites? Is that giving her any superpower? KSA and ALL the other Muslim countries and even the Muslim world as a whole is still NOTHING compared in power, political influence, economy, military power to the Western world and USA that backs Israel unconditionally.

Regarding your so-called rumor then you should ask yourself whether it's something any sane person would believe or whether it is bullshit. I already countered that absurd claim.

Regarding that claim i already mentioned it that i too am suspicious about its authenticity ...may be a wanna be journalist misquoted or deliberately put it there...so there is no point debating on that...

Regarding OIC ...to be honest its not more than a joke or a showing off body ....it has failed to deliver ....how many time it has played a significant role....apart from calling few conferences it hasnt done anything for anyone ....regardless it is a body of islamic states but still influence belongs to US as it is in every case ....

And i never mentioned or believed that Saudi is a super power lol dont know from where you inferred it it...i just said because of the key position KSA holds in muslim world they can play a key role in it ....besides being economically viability and stability are key factors it has ....because most of the islamic states are dealing with these factors including Pakistan....

And one cant expect anything from KSA because they too have a great influence from US so is the case with UAE ...so its useless to say that such words gonna make any difference ...