King Abdullah calls Israeli onslaught war crime

[al-Hasani]

Only muslim country who is helping Hamas is Iran though, it has supplied weaponry (from assault rifles to missiles) and money to Hamas. But i agree they wont totally win against Israel.

This is far from being correct and once again we see that people use the struggle of Palestine and Palestinians for their own agenda or to boost their national pride. The Muslim world has nothing to be proud of on this issue as they have done nothing to stop Israel from doing what they are doing.

With all due respect.

Iran is not the main humanitarian donor to Palestine at all. Nor are they the sole country that sends weapons to Gaza.

If you ask the Jewish users on PDF they are blaming Qatar. The country that hosts Khaled Mashal (leader of Hamas).

Also be honest and ask yourself what those few pipes and rifles can do or have done? Does it not only serve as an excuse for further Israeli aggression?

You yourself admit that it's not helping change the tides of the conflict.

Also from what I can recall @Hazzy997 saying then apparently most of the weapons are now manufactured indigenously and many of the weapons are also smuggled from Egypt (or were until recently) into Gaza and their origin is often Libya which is flooded with weapons.

Anyway there are two solutions to this conflict:

An all-out war against Israel which could potentially have a catastrophic outcome for those involved (read about the Samson option) or a diplomatic victory which can only be achieved if the entire Muslim world unites and puts a COLLECTIVE pressure on Israel AND its backers and main allies. This includes USA and the West.

The first option is not realistic while the second option is realistic (somewhat) but the question we, you and I should ask ourselves is whether a joint Muslim world (if this will ever happen) is a strong enough voice compared to the backers of Israel?

Based on economy, military power etc. then EU alone (let alone USA) are more powerful than the entire Muslim world put together. Several times over!

A totally different tactic must be used to win the war diplomatically and change the tide/opinion of the main powers. I am afraid that we should take a look at this conflict from a non-Islamic viewpoint as non-Muslims do not understand that angle.

 

[Ceylal]

We are all waiting for the mighty to buy a country and move Israel over. This will save the Arabs another spanking and elevate the Saud to the rank of the Savior...

 

[Malghani]

This is far from being correct and once again we see that people use the struggle of Palestine and Palestinians for their own agenda or to boost their national pride. The Muslim world has nothing to be proud of on this issue as they have done nothing to stop Israel from doing what they are doing.

With all due respect.

Iran is not the main humanitarian donor to Palestine at all. Nor are they the sole country that sends weapons to Gaza.

If you ask the Jewish users on PDF they are blaming Qatar. The country that hosts Khaled Mashal (leader of Hamas).

Also be honest and ask yourself what those few pipes and rifles can do or have done? Does it not only serve as an excuse for further Israeli aggression?

You yourself admit that it's not helping change the tides of the conflict.

Also from what I can recall @Hazzy997 saying then apparently most of the weapons are now manufactured indigenously and many of the weapons are also smuggled from Egypt (or were until recently) into Gaza and their origin is often Libya which is flooded with weapons.

Anyway there are two solutions to this conflict:

An all-out war against Israel which could potentially have a catastrophic outcome for those involved (read about the Samson option) or a diplomatic victory which can only be achieved if the entire Muslim world unites and puts a COLLECTIVE pressure on Israel AND its backers and main allies. This includes USA and the West.

The first option is not realistic while the second option is realistic (somewhat) but the question we, you and I should ask ourselves is whether a joint Muslim world (if this will ever happen) is a strong enough voice compared to the backers of Israel?

Based on economy, military power etc. then EU alone (let alone USA) are more powerful than the entire Muslim world put together. Several times over!

A totally different tactic must be used to win the war diplomatically and change the tide/opinion of the main powers. I am afraid that we should take a look at this conflict from a non-Islamic viewpoint as non-Muslims do not understand that angle.

You are a sane person Man

An all-out war against Israel which could potentially have a catastrophic outcome for those involved (read about the Samson option) or a diplomatic victory which can only be achieved if the entire Muslim world unites and puts a COLLECTIVE pressure on Israel AND its backers and main allies. This includes USA and the West.

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[Targon]

Its feels like someone is jealous that Erdo acts like the main playa in the neighbourhood

 

[ozzy22]

What is needed is for the US to be a fair mediator in this conflict, until then I don’t see the Palestinians getting their own state, and talk of fighting Israel is silly and unrealistic.

 

[IR1907]

This is far from being correct and once again we see that people use the struggle of Palestine and Palestinians for their own agenda or to boost their national pride. The Muslim world has nothing to be proud of on this issue as they have done nothing to stop Israel from doing what they are doing.

With all due respect.

Iran is not the main humanitarian donor to Palestine at all. Nor are they the sole country that sends weapons to Gaza.

If you ask the Jewish users on PDF they are blaming Qatar. The country that hosts Khaled Mashal (leader of Hamas).

Also be honest and ask yourself what those few pipes and rifles can do or have done? Does it not only serve as an excuse for further Israeli aggression?

You yourself admit that it's not helping change the tides of the conflict.

Also from what I can recall @Hazzy997 saying then apparently most of the weapons are now manufactured indigenously and many of the weapons are also smuggled from Egypt (or were until recently) into Gaza and their origin is often Libya which is flooded with weapons.

Anyway there are two solutions to this conflict:

An all-out war against Israel which could potentially have a catastrophic outcome for those involved (read about the Samson option) or a diplomatic victory which can only be achieved if the entire Muslim world unites and puts a COLLECTIVE pressure on Israel AND its backers and main allies. This includes USA and the West.

The first option is not realistic while the second option is realistic (somewhat) but the question we, you and I should ask ourselves is whether a joint Muslim world (if this will ever happen) is a strong enough voice compared to the backers of Israel?

Based on economy, military power etc. then EU alone (let alone USA) are more powerful than the entire Muslim world put together. Several times over!

A totally different tactic must be used to win the war diplomatically and change the tide/opinion of the main powers. I am afraid that we should take a look at this conflict from a non-Islamic viewpoint as non-Muslims do not understand that angle.

There is no show off or national pride here mate, there is this poor people in Gaza that is being choked to death by the criminal Israelis through all sort of methods, from sea and land blockade to most horrendous bombings.Any human with a bit of dignity will feel for the poor Palestinian people and honestly while i know the arms provided by my country isnt going to change everything i will have the knowledge that we atleast did something for them.

You dont even need to be muslim to say this, i know atheist Iranians who condemn Israel and their nazi alike behaviour.

What i ask you to consider or atleast think about it is the conflicts that we see in our region (yes, the region that we live in and that is ours) is orchestrated by a bunch of smart but filthy lowlife pig Zion officials to divide muslims.

Israel is very much defeatable, and like you said during Arab Israeli wars it wasnt even the whole Arab world.

Like i said, Israel is defeatable, it only needs determination to finish off that apartheid state.

What is needed is for the US to be a fair mediator in this conflict, until then I don’t see the Palestinians getting their own state, and talk of fighting Israel is silly and unrealistic.

US fair mediator ? are you for real ? US policies are total rubbish since the death of Kennedy, they dont have a independent foreign policy anymore.

 

[al-Hasani]

@IR1907

Nothing would make me more happy politically wise if all injustice in the world disappeared yet I tell you that Muslim unity (real one) is not realistic right now and our world is in turmoil. We must come to terms with the Western world being the main player for now at least. Before it was our part of the world - at least the ME, China etc.

If ordinary people had more to say in our countries it might have been different.

I know that it's not about religion. It's just really complicated. Not much we can do as ordinary people other than speaking out or donating.

It's just a sad situation that all we can really do is just talking.

Mind you Gaza is just a drop in the ocean. Look what is going on in Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq, Syria, Nigeria, Chechnya etc. The list is endless.

On many fronts our Muslim world is a bad world really with little self-respect nowadays. I believe that each Muslim country should improve their own backyard first too.

 

[Informant]

@al-Hasani there is not the need for a way with Israel nor can the world handle it. What i am saying is with the might, power, lobby that KSA has it can make Israel simmer down in it's approach through diplomacy and lobbying, plus guarantees.

KSA can do it no doubt.

 

[jaunty]

A day late and a dollar short?

 

[al-Hasani]

A day late and a dollar short?

Did you bother to read the whole thread? Just asking because KSA already condemned Israel after the first day at the beginning of July. People not even from KSA made threads about that even on PDF. Including news about donations.

@al-Hasani there is not the need for a way with Israel nor can the world handle it. What i am saying is with the might, power, lobby that KSA has it can make Israel simmer down in it's approach through diplomacy and lobbying, plus guarantees.

KSA can do it no doubt.

What can KSA do, LOL? They are a nobody compared to the West. No Muslim country is anything compared to the West (USA included here).

Those are the people/nations who control 90% of everything that happens in the world, resources, most of the economy, technology, science, military power, the world's riches etc.

Our brightest minds are going to the West to educate themselves, to work and live there for God's sake. The Muslim world is at rock bottom OVERALL.

Why are you living in the US and not Nigeria for instance?

Sad but true.

If USA wanted to remove any Muslim leader they could do so in a matter of weeks too. Who are we fooling if not only ourselves?

 

[Malghani]

What can KSA do

@al-Hasani I think KSA can do many things. For Example she can stop her exports of Oil to USA. And much more than that. What is your opinion by the way ?

 

[idune]

What do you mean mate? KSA already condemned Israeli the first day that they started bombing Gaza. So did most of the Muslim world.

Talk is cheap and condemnation does not save life. What Saudi and UAE could do is announce that they will cancel/postpone defense and civilian aircraft deal with US worth more than $160 billion. Even better if trillion dollars of Saudi and Gulf money parked in US banks start moving other investment destination. That will take hours for US to pull the trigger on Israel. Saudis can easily get arms and aircraft from elsewhere and there are hundreds of other places Saudi Arab can invest and get better return.

 

[jaunty]

What can KSA do, LOL? They are a nobody compared to the West. No Muslim country is anything compared to the West (USA included here).

If you think you can't do anything, there is no chance that you will do anything. Israel being such a tiny country with a tiny population has shown the world, against all odds, rightly or wrongly, what one can achieve if one puts all its energy behind something.

 

[al-Hasani]

@al-Hasani I think KSA can do many things. For Example she can stop her exports of Oil to USA. And much more than that. What is your opinion by the way ?

Did KSA not do such a thing in the 1970's and did that help? Only for a few weeks. That oil-embargo. Did it stop Israel from occupying Palestinian land? I struggle to see what KSA or ANY Muslim country for that matter can do against the power's of the world. Those that control most of the world.

KSA is far from being a superpower. Yes, regional power but that's all. Israel could annihilate all of KSA tomorrow if they wanted and KSA could not do much.

 

[ssethii]

He sounds impotent.