Kashmiris refuse Indian bribes!

[Adux]

You said it mate. Pak army is a muslim organisation

yes it is a muslim organization unlike the IA

Thats exactly what the pandits spread and what exactly you also said. Coincidence??.

They were mass-murdered by the islamic terrorist, since you are a true kashmir supporter, least you can do is show compassion for your brother's who have lost a lot more than freedom and land.

Am sure you would have no problem with LeT or HuM doing renovation on temples.[/

When did Let and Hum become the Pakistani or Indian government.
Didnt the Islamic Republic of Pakistan's government ordered funds to restore temples and monastery's in Pakistan. Did we see Pakistani Hindu's saying anything or even the Indian Hindu's

 

[dabong1]

yes it is a muslim organization unlike the IA

Please spare the "we are secular country" pakistan has never had a religious political party in power unlike india with the BJP/RSS hindu fundamentalist outfit.
Having a sikh as prime minister and a muslim as president is nothing more then window dressing,we all know that the real power is in the hand of the majority hindu population.
Pakistan is not a secular state but an islamic/muslim nation,this is a stated fact.India claims to be secular but in essence is a hindu nation.Israel also claims to be secular but everyone knows its a jewish state.
What is the big deal with admiting that india is a hindu nation?

They were mass-murdered by the islamic terrorist, since you are a true kashmir supporter, least you can do is show compassion for your brother's who have lost a lot more than freedom and land.

The Let and Hum are freedom fighter and if any have killed innocent people hindu or muslim then if possible arrest them and hang them.
The people driven from there land in my opinion where driven out by the indian occupation army and not by the freedom fighters.

When did Let and Hum become the Pakistani or Indian government.
Didnt the Islamic Republic of Pakistan's government ordered funds to restore temples and monastery's in Pakistan. Did we see Pakistani Hindu's saying anything or even the Indian Hindu's

I do not think it would have been a problem if the indian government had through civilian companies repaired the masjids/shrines.
The pakistani army is not restoring hindu temples and in my opnion would not be appropriate if they did,the same goes for the indian army.

 

[dabong1]

They wud have their asses burnt if they comeout in daylight.

LOL yeah off course they would

 

[dabong1]

Is Pakistani Army not the army of an Islamic Republic?

Pakistan says out in the open that it is an islamic nation unlike india for some strange reason never admits its a hindu country.

 

[Samudra]

Pakistan says out in the open that it is an islamic nation

Then, its army is not Muslim?

 

[Adux]

Please spare the "we are secular country" pakistan has never had a religious political party in power unlike india with the BJP/RSS hindu fundamentalist outfit.
Having a sikh as prime minister and a muslim as president is nothing more then window dressing,we all know that the real power is in the hand of the majority hindu population.

If you call the Prime Minister, President, Chief Justice and Army chief all window dressing, Shows your conspiracy theory mentality, Somehow very rampant on this board. The power lies with people not the government true; the same people which took down the BJP, Democracy is not something pakistani can talk about, cuz you have never enjoyed it.

Pakistan is not a secular state but an islamic/muslim nation,this is a stated fact.India claims to be secular but in essence is a hindu nation.Israel also claims to be secular but everyone knows its a jewish state.
What is the big deal with admiting that india is a hindu nation?

Because we are not hindu nation. Sorry it doesnt fit your conspiracy theories.

The Let and Hum are freedom fighter and if any have killed innocent people hindu or muslim then if possible arrest them and hang them.
The people driven from there land in my opinion where driven out by the indian occupation army and not by the freedom fighters.

Freedom fighter's, bull crap. The idiots plundered, raped and killed YOUR people. Do YOU know what happens when Civilians get GUNS. You wanna talk about freedom fighters,look at our forefathers.
Are you so full of hot air, that you believe the HINDU ARMY forced the HINDU population out of Kashmir, Arent you contradicting yourself. Pakistan has no right over Kashmir by law.Why do you think the International community is on our side; now let me guess, cuz they dont like muslims, and love the indians...yup...

We have had our excess, Gujarat "Hindu's and Muslims are given sentence's for their role's. All
We have had our excess by our forces, we have them punished for imprisonment, one setenced to hang. Last I heard Muktar Mai' and other's rapist personnel are walking scot free. When you have cleaned your glass house, please point. We will listen gladly.

I do not think it would have been a problem if the indian government had through civilian companies repaired the masjids/shrines.
The pakistani army is not restoring hindu temples and in my opnion would not be appropriate if they did,the same goes for the indian army.

Pakistani government is Pakistani Army.

Here if we tell our Army to sweep the floors and clean toilets, they do it. No questions asked. Unlike your's.

 

[dabong1]

If you call the Prime Minister, President, Chief Justice and Army chief all window dressing, Shows your conspiracy theory mentality, Somehow very rampant on this board.

"Because we are not hindu nation. Sorry it doesnt fit your conspiracy theories."
..

Muslims constitute 13.4% of India's 1.1-billion-strong population, but their presence in education and employment - both private sector and government - is nowhere near their population share. "From the administration and the police to the judiciary and the private sector, the invisible hands of prejudice, economic and educational inequality seem to have frozen the 'quota' for Muslims at 3-5%," observes Siddharth Varadarajan in The Hindu.

It is estimated that the number of Muslims in India's 1.1-million-strong army is only about 29,000. Since 1947, there have been only three Muslim lieutenant-generals and only eight major-generals, out of several hundred, points out Omar Khalidi, author of Khaki and the Ethnic Violence in India. This is the same number as that among Parsis and Jews, who are far smaller minorities in India.

According to a report in leading newsmagazine Outlook, India's external intelligence agency, the Research and Analysis Wing,adheres to an "unwritten code" not to recruit Muslims. Right from its inception in the late 1960s, RAW, which has a 10,000-strong staff, "has avoided recruiting any Muslim officer". This is the case, too, with the National Technical Research Organization, the recently established technical-intelligence wing of RAW.

The report points out that Muslims and Sikhs are not deployed to protect India's VIPs, either. The Special Protection Group (SPG) that is in charge of protecting the prime minister avoids posting Muslims and Sikhs as bodyguards. The few Muslims and Sikhs who are in the SPG are deployed on administrative duties. There are no Muslims or Sikhs in the National Security Guard (or Black Cats), an elite counter-terrorism force that is also responsible for VIP protection.

Freedom fighter's, bull crap. The idiots plundered, raped and killed YOUR people. Do YOU know what happens when Civilians get GUNS.

You have been watching and reading to much indian rubbish.
The only "idiots" plundering,raping and killing my people is the indian occupation army.

Are you so full of hot air, that you believe the HINDU ARMY forced the HINDU population out of Kashmir, Arent you contradicting yourself. Pakistan has no right over Kashmir by law.Why do you think the International community is on our side;...

No what i said was that the INDIAN army is forcing the kashmiri population out of there country..ethnic cleansing is what i think they call it.

Pakistani government is Pakistani Army..

At the moment it is.

 

[Bull]

Muslims constitute 13.4% of India's 1.1-billion-strong population, but their presence in education and employment - both private sector and government - is nowhere near their population share. "From the administration and the police to the judiciary and the private sector, the invisible hands of prejudice, economic and educational inequality seem to have frozen the 'quota' for Muslims at 3-5%," observes Siddharth Varadarajan in The Hindu. .

3-5% participation aint that bad to create such a furore. have you looked how much exposure the low caste Hindus have in jobs vis a vis their population.

It is estimated that the number of Muslims in India's 1.1-million-strong army is only about 29,000. Since 1947, there have been only three Muslim lieutenant-generals and only eight major-generals, out of several hundred, points out Omar Khalidi, author of Khaki and the Ethnic Violence in India. This is the same number as that among Parsis and Jews, who are far smaller minorities in India. .

Parsis and Jews are highly educated lot. Dont be surprised at their acheievements. Muslims, low caste Hindus lack oppurtunities to study and flousih as they are caught in the vicious cirlce of hand-mouth system.

According to a report in leading newsmagazine Outlook, India's external intelligence agency, the Research and Analysis Wing,adheres to an "unwritten code" not to recruit Muslims. Right from its inception in the late 1960s, RAW, which has a 10,000-strong staff, "has avoided recruiting any Muslim officer". This is the case, too, with the National Technical Research Organization, the recently established technical-intelligence wing of RAW.

The report points out that Muslims and Sikhs are not deployed to protect India's VIPs, either. The Special Protection Group (SPG) that is in charge of protecting the prime minister avoids posting Muslims and Sikhs as bodyguards. The few Muslims and Sikhs who are in the SPG are deployed on administrative duties. There are no Muslims or Sikhs in the National Security Guard (or Black Cats), an elite counter-terrorism force that is also responsible for VIP protection. .

There are specific threats that have emanated and possibly arise again. Muslims and Sikhs are kept away due to these reasons. Off late you saw how weak our Intl agency is when the dy director of RAW itself was a doublecross.

You have been watching and reading to much indian rubbish.
The only "idiots" plundering,raping and killing my people is the indian occupation army..

Why the hell is Mushraff still crying for peace? Whats your PA doing?

No what i said was that the INDIAN army is forcing the kashmiri population out of there country..ethnic cleansing is what i think they call it.

The only people forced out of Kashmir is the pundits....!!!

 

[Skull-Buster]

why are most threads turning into anti-Islam and anti-Pakistan threads? and that also buy the same members. the topic is about what Kashmiris think of india.

 

[Bull]

why are most threads turning into anti-Islam and anti-Pakistan threads? and that also buy the same members. the topic is about what Kashmiris think of india.

Anti islam? Where did you see that. Bcoz we criticse and hate some islam followers doesnt mean we hate the faith.

 

[Adux]

Muslims constitute 13.4% of India's 1.1-billion-strong population, but their presence in education and employment - both private sector and government - is nowhere near their population share.

What a load of bull-crap, in a land of 300 million under poverty line; ie double your population and double the Indian muslim population, you are talking about job equality. Where did you learn to co-relate, 13% population means they will be in 13% working population?????
Ever wondered why muslims DONT study. I am an OBC so are muslims in India, they have something called reservation and other perks. But even for reservation you have to study something dont you. People who question the theory of evolution and most other scientific achievements, cuz it is not said their holy book.
Let me give you this, why is muslims more in trade than hindu's. WHy? why isnt Hindu's in trade more!!!!! Get your stupid logic off.

"From the administration and the police to the judiciary and the private sector, the invisible hands of prejudice, economic and educational inequality seem to have frozen the 'quota' for Muslims at 3-5%," observes Siddharth Varadarajan in The Hindu.

I read vardharajan pretty much everyday. I am a business man and i dont agree to his views, I am sure even Aziz premji doesnt too; Reservation private sector is NO NO. You havent understood the underlying politics yet, all you see is the ISLAM factor. Unless you remove that, you wont be able to see the problem. Let me put this back to you 300 million under poverty line from all sectors of the scoiety in India. AND AGAIN DOUBLE YOUR POPULATION.

It is estimated that the number of Muslims in India's 1.1-million-strong army is only about 29,000.

Maybe they think of it as HINDU army like you, showes their Islam and religion oriented thinking in each and everything.

Since 1947, there have been only three Muslim lieutenant-generals and only eight major-generals, out of several hundred, points out Omar Khalidi, author of Khaki and the Ethnic Violence in India. This is the same number as that among Parsis and Jews, who are far smaller minorities in India.

Next Army chief of India is a MUSLIM. Unless and until you have secularism in your blood other than religious xenphobia dont expect anywhere up. But then again it is all window dressing.
Army Chief, President, Prime Minister, Leader of the Ruling Party, Chief Justice etc, You have to understand that other than the hardcore BJP's nutjobs; most populace of India are secular, and they prefer person who will give them a better tommrow, than a ISlam or Hindu Dhramashtra shitbags. But for a person from a ISlamic country like you wouldnt understand the concept and i am not suprised.

According to a report in leading newsmagazine Outlook, India's external intelligence agency, the Research and Analysis Wing,adheres to an "unwritten code" not to recruit Muslims. Right from its inception in the late 1960s, RAW, which has a 10,000-strong staff, "has avoided recruiting any Muslim officer". This is the case, too, with the National Technical Research Organization, the recently established technical-intelligence wing of RAW.

More conspiracy theories!!!!!!!!!
Maybe muslims are easier for the ISI to recurit.
Hanif Mohammed is the District Collector of Cochin city, he studied he got there. I know him personally and I have never seen a more secular and level headed guy. You guys need more like him. You need a renisaance. The bad apples in your's which there are quite a lot are making confrontational situation with other religions, times have gone where they will take it easy.

You have been watching and reading to much indian rubbish.
The only "idiots" plundering,raping and killing my people is the indian occupation army.

You have been brainwashed; you have no clue like the rest, cant say i am suprised.

No what i said was that the INDIAN army is forcing the kashmiri population out of there country..ethnic cleansing is what i think they call it.

As long as it is only pakistan and pakistani's that thinks that way, I really dont care.

Anti islam? Where did you see that. Bcoz we criticse and hate some islam followers doesnt mean we hate the faith.

Thank you, exactly my opinion. But the problem here, you cant disagree with anything, if you disagree with one, means you disagree with everything. such absolute's.

 

[dabong1]

3-5% participation aint that bad to create such a furore. have you looked how much exposure the low caste Hindus have in jobs vis a vis their population.!

muslims make up 13.4% of India's 1.1-billion but get only 3-5% of the jobs when they should have 13.4%.
If the above figures do not smack of anti muslim sentiment in "secular" india then just think for a moment what if was hindus in pakistan that made up 13.4% of the population but had only 3-5% of the jobs would you not think pakistan was being anti hindu?

Parsis and Jews are highly educated lot. Dont be surprised at their acheievements. Muslims, low caste Hindus lack oppurtunities to study and flousih as they are caught in the vicious cirlce of hand-mouth system..!

LOL the same rubbish about how muslims in india are not educated so you have an excuse to discriminate against them.
Dr Abdul kalam the so called missile man is a muslim but you see he has proved his loyalty to hindustan so his okay but all the other muslims unless they do or say something against pakistan only then are they trusted,nothing to with "lack oppurtunities to study and flousih as they are caught in the vicious cirlce of hand-mouth system".

There are specific threats that have emanated and possibly arise again. Muslims and Sikhs are kept away due to these reasons. Off late you saw how weak our Intl agency is when the dy director of RAW itself was a doublecross

For heavens sake your entire know how on missiles was done by a muslim.So you can trust the muslims with your missiles and bombs but not enough to protect the PM.
The most weird thing is that the present PM is a sikh and the president a muslim but they can not have a muslim or sikh bodyguard.

The only people forced out of Kashmir is the pundits....!!!

Yes i agree no muslims or sikhs have been made into refugees or killed only the pandits have the right to be victims.

 

[Bull]

Muslims make up 13.4% of India's 1.1-billion but get only 3-5% of the jobs when they should have 13.4%.
If the above figures do not smack of anti muslim sentiment in "secular" india then just think for a moment what if was hindus in pakistan that made up 13.4% of the population but had only 3-5% of the jobs would you not think pakistan was being anti hindu?.

I have given my pt of view regarding to why its not bad to have a representation of 3.4% vis a vis a total populace of 13.4%. There are hindu communities living with much worser ratio.

LOL the same rubbish about how muslims in india are not educated so you have an excuse to discriminate against them.nothing to with "lack oppurtunities to study and flousih as they are caught in the vicious cirlce of hand-mouth system"..

Parsis from time immemorial were rich and educated. They never had to struggle to come up to where they are now. They just had to maintain it. Its not the case with muslims and low caste hindus. Chances and oppurtunities where few and far.

For heavens sake your entire know how on missiles was done by a muslim.So you can trust the muslims with your missiles and bombs but not enough to protect the PM.
The most weird thing is that the present PM is a sikh and the president a muslim but they can not have a muslim or sikh bodyguard..

So you do agree we dont discriminate. Thanks. Im smart you see, i got my answer out of yor own mouth.

Yes i agree no muslims or sikhs have been made into refugees or killed only the pandits have the right to be victims.

I just reminded you that they too are. Dont get too emotional at your 'vicitm card' being shared by the pundits too.

 

[Adux]

please tell me how is 13.4% of population equal to 13.4% in jobs. how stupid are you all getting here.

Lets humour mr.dabong,

lets breakdown that 13.4% into people who can work, count out women,children, uneducated and old people.

 

[dabong1]

What a load of bull-crap, in a land of 300 million under poverty line; ie double your population and double the Indian muslim population, you are talking about job equality. Where did you learn to co-relate, 13% population means they will be in 13% working population?????.

I bet the figure for hindus co-relate to the population.

Ever wondered why muslims DONT study.

Yeah how did a muslim end up building your missiles when they do not study.

I am an OBC so are muslims in India, they have something called reservation and other perks. But even for reservation you have to study something dont you. People who question the theory of evolution and most other scientific achievements, cuz it is not said their holy book.

Bro sorry but you can not be that foolish that you think that we came from chimps.
The "other scientific achievements" that you must be talking about is all the stuff the muslims
discovered and gave to the world.
I can list all the achivements but you will get a better idea if you go to this site.
http://www.muslimheritage.com/

You havent understood the underlying politics yet, all you see is the ISLAM factor. Unless you remove that, you wont be able to see the problem. Let me put this back to you 300 million under poverty line from all sectors of the scoiety in India. AND AGAIN DOUBLE YOUR POPULATION.

Yes and also double indias land mass and resources.

Maybe they think of it as HINDU army like you, showes their Islam and religion oriented thinking in each and everything

I know its hard for you to admit it but in essence india is a hindu army with a majority hindu soilders which should be expected as the hindus make up the majority.
Once you peel away the false image of a secular india you see that it is a hindu nation......nothing wrong with that.

Next Army chief of India is a MUSLIM. Unless and until you have secularism in your blood other than religious xenphobia dont expect anywhere up. But then again it is all window dressing.
Army Chief, President, Prime Minister, Leader of the Ruling Party, Chief Justice etc, You have to understand that other than the hardcore BJP's nutjobs; most populace of India are secular, and they prefer person who will give them a better tommrow, than a ISlam or Hindu Dhramashtra shitbags. But for a person from a ISlamic country like you wouldnt understand the concept and i am not suprised

I am from england so i think i have a better understanding of democracy then yourself.
When i talk of a islamic pakistan i talk of a true islamic welfare nation that takes care of all its peoples irrelevant of religion and not the generals/mullah pakistan that i agree are a bunch of ******.

More conspiracy theories!!!!!!!!!
Maybe muslims are easier for the ISI to recurit

Yes why do we not recruit your president first......More conspiracy theories

The bad apples in your's which there are quite a lot are making confrontational situation with other religions, times have gone where they will take it easy.

We do not go around burning raping people with the help of the state govt like yourself's in gujrat or punjab.
And yes you are right "times have gone where they will take it easy".

You have been brainwashed; you have no clue like the rest, cant say i am suprised..

The only one brainwshed mate is you if you think the freedom fighters killed over 80'000 kashmiris and not the indian occupation militia.

As long as it is only pakistan and pakistani's that thinks that way, I really dont care..

Well am sorry to say but you going to have to care as that what the whole world thinks.

Thank you, exactly my opinion. But the problem here, you cant disagree with anything, if you disagree with one, means you disagree with everything. such absolute's..

I feel the same if i hate the india govt it does not mean that i hate hindus.